RE: Jaguar XE 300 Sport: Driven
Discussion
InfamousKeiran said:
I've driven a few XE RWD and AWD. I've found they all have terrible ride qualities and the steering on the AWD is absolutely terrible. It'd be C Class everytime for me.
I drove a non-adaptive RWD XE 2.0d a couple of years ago, and thought the suspension far superior to the non-adaptive 320d I had at the time. The Jag had a more supple ride, and far less body roll. In fact, it felt just like a car that had been developed on typical British roads. It's the one area of gushing praise in the press that I tend to agree with.Shame about the tinny sounding, weedy feeling Ingenium diesel and the clunky, dated feeling infotainment system. Jaguar haven't done half as good a job at polishing the programming of the ZF8 transmission as BMW either. It's all a bit laggier and jerkier.
XE desperately needs a facelift and I still hope that Jag will surprise us all by bringing out an XE-R after Project-8, but I doubt it. The fact that they brought out F-Pace SVR first tells you what you need to do about where their priorities are. EVs and SUVs are where they want to be along with next gen F-Type and XK to remind us that they used to be a sports-car brand.
schmalex said:
We have an XE R Sport 2.0d. Thank Christ it’s going back in 8 weeks. It’s badly made; noisy; uninspiring to drive; Jaguar we’re hopeless when it needed to be repaired, leading to it being off the road for 13 weeks.
Based on this experience and an appalling X Type that i owned in 2002, I wouldn’t buy another Jaguar for as long as I have a hole in my arse
I feel for you. I had very bad experiences with my MB C300 that I very nearly sent back to MB. Gearbox re-programming 5 times, charging problems, the most uncomfortable seats I have ever experienced, sat-nav issues etc... MB HQ most unhelpful and a dealer that tried but ultimately has issues with MB. A co-worker had appalling issues with his A6 that seemingly came with a chocolate gearbox.Based on this experience and an appalling X Type that i owned in 2002, I wouldn’t buy another Jaguar for as long as I have a hole in my arse
Currently I am on my honeymoon period with the XF. So far so good. I like the great handling and ride, quieter engine that the C300, a sat-nav that is useable for the 8% of me who are colour blind. Also my 6 year old son prefers it to the MB C300. which is the most important attribute.
So in conclusion I switched away from MB C class because of reliability issues and so have we as a company with a sizable are getting more Jags and Beemers.
B10 said:
schmalex said:
We have an XE R Sport 2.0d. Thank Christ it’s going back in 8 weeks. It’s badly made; noisy; uninspiring to drive; Jaguar we’re hopeless when it needed to be repaired, leading to it being off the road for 13 weeks.
Based on this experience and an appalling X Type that i owned in 2002, I wouldn’t buy another Jaguar for as long as I have a hole in my arse
I feel for you. I had very bad experiences with my MB C300 that I very nearly sent back to MB. Gearbox re-programming 5 times, charging problems, the most uncomfortable seats I have ever experienced, sat-nav issues etc... MB HQ most unhelpful and a dealer that tried but ultimately has issues with MB. A co-worker had appalling issues with his A6 that seemingly came with a chocolate gearbox.Based on this experience and an appalling X Type that i owned in 2002, I wouldn’t buy another Jaguar for as long as I have a hole in my arse
Currently I am on my honeymoon period with the XF. So far so good. I like the great handling and ride, quieter engine that the C300, a sat-nav that is useable for the 8% of me who are colour blind. Also my 6 year old son prefers it to the MB C300. which is the most important attribute.
So in conclusion I switched away from MB C class because of reliability issues and so have we as a company with a sizable are getting more Jags and Beemers.
I’m not sure the E-Pace will do that well, the March edition of CAR magazine have a test with the E-Pace, X2 and XC40 and the jag is the heaviest (200kg more than the BMW), thirstiest and most expensive when comparing like for like engines, even emits the mists CO2, the one in the test is a first edition which starts at 47,800!!!!
I think the F-Pace is the best model they make now that makes the most sense.
I think the F-Pace is the best model they make now that makes the most sense.
Black S2K said:
RacerMike said:
Quite. And Xenon's are standard on even the most basic poverty model....
There are some who insist the xenons give the better light, in any case.Possibly the LEDs need a few more years to become more than a fashion accessory.
Xenons are good but to not have a LED option that all the competition does is appalling. No adaptive LED which makes night driving a joy
stefan-4hlan said:
I do think that they have done a good job with there first 4pot petrol out of the new engine plant.
With regard to the weight I think jaguar are being cute as there is more weight to shed .
And they will probably wait until there is more of a need to lighten the models.
I would suggest their 2 litre 4 cylinder getting worse mpg than a 3 litre 340i, was a pretty good indication there is a big need to put more effort into everything!With regard to the weight I think jaguar are being cute as there is more weight to shed .
And they will probably wait until there is more of a need to lighten the models.
Helicopter123 said:
craigjm said:
TaylotS2K said:
Styling is a tad boring for a Jaguar.
Badge snobbery aside, the Kia Stinger looks much better.
The Kia Stinger is a wake up call for European car makers I reckon Badge snobbery aside, the Kia Stinger looks much better.
Not sure if serious?
craigjm said:
Helicopter123 said:
craigjm said:
TaylotS2K said:
Styling is a tad boring for a Jaguar.
Badge snobbery aside, the Kia Stinger looks much better.
The Kia Stinger is a wake up call for European car makers I reckon Badge snobbery aside, the Kia Stinger looks much better.
Not sure if serious?
SidewaysSi said:
Will do. The Stinger is OK but has hardly dominated the class. An average car from an average company. But with a longer than average warranty.
Didn’t say dominated the class if it did that then the class would be f
ked. If you think it’s an average car you should go and drive one and then drive and XE and a Giulia. Few more years for people to get over the badge and a product improving at that rate and it will start eating into sales. Especially in non U.K. markets where people are not such badge snobs. The XE has to be able to compete worldwide and in markets where jaguar doesn’t have the heritage that it does in the U.K. and USA So the range topper has a 4cyl engine, and an automatic gearbox only. Sad for Jaguar. Even the best 4cyl will never match the smoothness, response, or sound of a straight 6. If the old V6 couldn't pass the emissions tests, then it's time for a new one. Please Jaguar, a rwd, manual, lsd equipped, supercharged V6 based on the V8, would be a good thing.
R400TVR said:
Please Jaguar, a rwd, manual, lsd equipped, supercharged V6 based on the V8, would be a good thing.
Keep dreaming. The v8 is purchased under license from Ford and the deal runs out in 2020 with the deals for the other engines running out the year before which is why they have been concentrating on building their own inline Ingenium engines. Now there has been rumour of a tie up with BMW to produce a new V8 but until then the inline four is the best you can get until the arrival of a 3.0 inline six which is taking its time and the next move which is PHEV versions of the cars using the Ingenium engines. I guess the most potent Jaguar’s of this and the next generation then will be 3.0 six Ingenium engines with supercharger and hybrid functionality built in and on the Ipace and next XJ a total replacement with electric power. craigjm said:
SidewaysSi said:
Will do. The Stinger is OK but has hardly dominated the class. An average car from an average company. But with a longer than average warranty.
Didn’t say dominated the class if it did that then the class would be fked. If you think it’s an average car you should go and drive one and then drive and XE and a Giulia. Few more years for people to get over the badge and a product improving at that rate and it will start eating into sales. Especially in non U.K. markets where people are not such badge snobs. The XE has to be able to compete worldwide and in markets where jaguar doesn’t have the heritage that it does in the U.K. and USA t about cars. Which is entirely OK. Just not my bag.herebebeasties said:
Jag keeps banging on about aluminium - it's clearly part of their core branding strategy:
https://www.jaguar.co.uk/news/xe-aluminium.html
https://www.jaguar.co.uk/about-jaguar/jaguar-stori... etc.
...and yet it weighs 191kg more than the Alfa.
A Skoda Superb 280 is in a different league when it comes to interior space, is £7k cheaper for a totally maxed-out top spec one against a base no-options Jag but is 140kg lighter, for a much, much bigger car (still with four wheel drive, and with very similar performance given the weight difference).
I'm not implying the Skoda is a better driver's car or necessarily a nicer place to sit, but how on earth do Jag manage to make all their cars so heavy?
This is a good point - you need a lot of Aluminium to make a car as stiff as a steel one and Jag will use lots of it clearly. I'm not convinced aluminium contstruction is a good way to go for cars. https://www.jaguar.co.uk/news/xe-aluminium.html
https://www.jaguar.co.uk/about-jaguar/jaguar-stori... etc.
...and yet it weighs 191kg more than the Alfa.
A Skoda Superb 280 is in a different league when it comes to interior space, is £7k cheaper for a totally maxed-out top spec one against a base no-options Jag but is 140kg lighter, for a much, much bigger car (still with four wheel drive, and with very similar performance given the weight difference).
I'm not implying the Skoda is a better driver's car or necessarily a nicer place to sit, but how on earth do Jag manage to make all their cars so heavy?
Edited by herebebeasties on Monday 16th July 08:29
Your Skoda will be more reliable, more spacious and most of the time as good to drive. Its the one to get.
kambites said:
SidewaysSi said:
I don't see that happening in the UK. Kia do OK here because they sell cheap appliances for people who don't give a st about cars. Which is entirely OK. Just not my bag.
Indeed we are, if nothing else, a nation of badge snobs. t about cars. Which is entirely OK. Just not my bag.te.The lesser models are awful while the range topper has an awful gearbox, cheap interior and drinks for fun.
Its CO2 rating is shocking to boot and its very ambitiously priced.
kambites said:
I make no claims that the Stinger is great, just that no-one would buy it even if it was. 
If it was well priced and equipped, drove well, and represented value I'm sure it would do well in a 'post-brexit' Britain.I don't get this badge snobbery nonsense.
People used to make jokes about Skoda but look at them now.
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