That's it, I am no longer defending Cyclists!
Discussion
Lexington59 said:
Amazing the lack of self preservation some of these cyclists have.
"He was in his lane, I was in my lane" is a case in point. I've lost track of the number of idiots (drivers) who've nearly sideswiped me due to not looking when changing lanes or whatever. It's painful enough in a car having to arrange a new side panel, but on a bike ? It's going to hurt. You must be mad.
I bet you'd be on here squealing like a child if someone sideswiped you in a car and then abused you for it and f"He was in his lane, I was in my lane" is a case in point. I've lost track of the number of idiots (drivers) who've nearly sideswiped me due to not looking when changing lanes or whatever. It's painful enough in a car having to arrange a new side panel, but on a bike ? It's going to hurt. You must be mad.
ked off.
yonex said:
WinstonWolf said:
gazza285 said:
Schmed said:
Ah the usual insults and pro-cycling mafia brainwashing nonsense.
If you disagree with a poster why not just insult him.
Ok. You are a fIf you disagree with a poster why not just insult him.
king moron.
Schmed said:
yonex said:
WinstonWolf said:
gazza285 said:
Schmed said:
Ah the usual insults and pro-cycling mafia brainwashing nonsense.
If you disagree with a poster why not just insult him.
Ok. You are a fIf you disagree with a poster why not just insult him.
king moron.gazza285 said:
Schmed said:
yonex said:
WinstonWolf said:
gazza285 said:
Schmed said:
Ah the usual insults and pro-cycling mafia brainwashing nonsense.
If you disagree with a poster why not just insult him.
Ok. You are a fIf you disagree with a poster why not just insult him.
king moron.king moron, but he's currently doing a very good impression of one.Every day I see cyclists riding 5 foot away from the kerb, outside of the cycle lines, behind them a long queue of traffic. Why?
Probably the same individuals when I think about it, but must take a special kind of c-unit to do that. Annoys hell out of me and I'm not even stuck behind them.
Probably the same individuals when I think about it, but must take a special kind of c-unit to do that. Annoys hell out of me and I'm not even stuck behind them.
MikeGoodwin said:
Every day I see cyclists riding 5 foot away from the kerb, outside of the cycle lines, behind them a long queue of traffic. Why?
Probably the same individuals when I think about it, but must take a special kind of c-unit to do that. Annoys hell out of me and I'm not even stuck behind them.
Potholes usually. Or they're just knobs.Probably the same individuals when I think about it, but must take a special kind of c-unit to do that. Annoys hell out of me and I'm not even stuck behind them.
Master Bean said:
Potholes usually.
- this*
- grids (especially on wet days)
- 23mm wheels (it's a road bike!)
- parked cars (in half-assed cycle lanes, esp weekends) and cycle lanes that abruptly end or are impeded periodically without warning (erm, I'll use the road then thanks)
- being more visible. Too many drivers forget their blind spots turning left
- safe positioning ... many drivers even in urban areas are too damn close to the left when there are cyclists. Or they lane-change from the right to undertake, without even looking, often using part of the cycle lane. At least if you're in-front, you actually have somewhere to go to (the left). Easy to get trapped in the gutter as a cyclist imo. Not a nice feeling
With my cycling hat/helmet on ... As a rule, in busy traffic, I'll use the left lane centred or left of centre. I'll generally stay much more left in less urban traffic, cycle lane or no cycle lane and I'll do so to let vehicles pass. This is being nice to other road users although requires a little more skill than not caring
Edited by markyb_lcy on Wednesday 13th February 15:59
MikeGoodwin said:
Every day I see cyclists riding 5 foot away from the kerb, outside of the cycle lines, behind them a long queue of traffic. Why?
Probably the same individuals when I think about it, but must take a special kind of c-unit to do that. Annoys hell out of me and I'm not even stuck behind them.
Every day you see a long line of traffic stuck behind a cyclist? Where? Show us a pic.Probably the same individuals when I think about it, but must take a special kind of c-unit to do that. Annoys hell out of me and I'm not even stuck behind them.
Is there not a long line of traffic in front of the cyclist too?
MikeGoodwin said:
Every day I see cyclists riding 5 foot away from the kerb, outside of the cycle lines, behind them a long queue of traffic. Why?
Mostly because drivers these days can't overtake other tiny slow moving road users.Or perhaps the road is too narrow and twisty for a safe overtake.
I agree that you see these queues of morons quite often and that it's a sad reflection on the abilities of the average driver.
Schmed said:
Ah the cycling mafia. Aggressive, insulting and militant ? Never. You all truly define exactly what many (a majority?) of drivers think of cyclists. Thanks for yet another great example !
I can't see how you can complain. You stated that a totally innocent cyclist, who was run over by a truck driver that was not looking as he changed lanes, was somehow in the wrong. This was despite pleading, and being found guilty.In fact, let's rewind a little.
You are the same driver who revs his car as he passes cyclists to make them jump! Do you honestly think this, and your statement above makes you a 'normal' driver with whom others would want to agree with?
Lexington59 said:
Amazing the lack of self preservation some of these cyclists have.
"He was in his lane, I was in my lane" is a case in point. I've lost track of the number of idiots (drivers) who've nearly sideswiped me due to not looking when changing lanes or whatever. It's painful enough in a car having to arrange a new side panel, but on a bike ? It's going to hurt. You must be mad.
Cool. So when I'm cycling on a multi lane road in the left-most lane, and the other lanes are stopped for some reason, I can stop my bicycle in the middle of my lane and simpy wait until everything else moves again? However long that takes?"He was in his lane, I was in my lane" is a case in point. I've lost track of the number of idiots (drivers) who've nearly sideswiped me due to not looking when changing lanes or whatever. It's painful enough in a car having to arrange a new side panel, but on a bike ? It's going to hurt. You must be mad.
Because, as you say, passing a stationary queue would just be "mad" and I'd be saving all the cars, vans, and lorries behind me from certain doom. Right?
Or perhaps (as is usually the case in drivers v cyclists threads) you really haven't thought this through properly?
Twice this evening I had cars fail to give way to me at roundabouts I was already ON. I got beeped at for having the bare-faced cheek to overtake a stationary queue of cars. And yes, I was on their offside, and yes the oncoming traffic lane was clear, and yes, the centre line of the road was marked with double solid white lines. But FYI: I CAN legally cross them to overtake vehicles moving at 10 mph or less, provided it's safe to do so. It was safe. I also punched the offside rear quarter panel of a Toyota Avensis that cut the corner at a 'T' junction so much that he was millimetres from "clipping the apex" with his offside tyres as I approached the Give Way line to turn right.
But I'm a quick learner. All this "learning by the example set" by those expert licensed drivers rubbed off. At one roundabout I'd decided to use the bike path instead of the carriageway, but for some reason no-one was letting me cross to the other side that way. So I applied the BMW/Audi driver technique of lurching forward. First I shoved half the front wheel into the carriageway. No effect. So then I pushed the full wheel into the road. Some cars slowed a little, but didn't let me cross. Eventually, when I'd shoved the wheel into the lane by two wheel widths, some Doris in an Astra took notice and stopped to let me cross. I also ignored a 'No cycling' sign on a footbridge over the M3. This is also good, because now I'm even with those cretinous drivers that refuse to give way at roundabouts and other junctions, and the vast majority of drivers who seem to be unable to work out what the number '30' displayed in a red circle means. All this pushing in and ignoring the law/rules meant I cut 8 minutes off the time it took me on Monday to ride the same route. Sweet...
yellowjack said:
Cool. So when I'm cycling on a multi lane road in the left-most lane, and the other lanes are stopped for some reason, I can stop my bicycle in the middle of my lane and simpy wait until everything else moves again? However long that takes?
Because, as you say, passing a stationary queue would just be "mad" and I'd be saving all the cars, vans, and lorries behind me from certain doom. Right?
Or perhaps (as is usually the case in drivers v cyclists threads) you really haven't thought this through properly?
Twice this evening I had cars fail to give way to me at roundabouts I was already ON. I got beeped at for having the bare-faced cheek to overtake a stationary queue of cars. And yes, I was on their offside, and yes the oncoming traffic lane was clear, and yes, the centre line of the road was marked with double solid white lines. But FYI: I CAN legally cross them to overtake vehicles moving at 10 mph or less, provided it's safe to do so. It was safe. I also punched the offside rear quarter panel of a Toyota Avensis that cut the corner at a 'T' junction so much that he was millimetres from "clipping the apex" with his offside tyres as I approached the Give Way line to turn right.
But I'm a quick learner. All this "learning by the example set" by those expert licensed drivers rubbed off. At one roundabout I'd decided to use the bike path instead of the carriageway, but for some reason no-one was letting me cross to the other side that way. So I applied the BMW/Audi driver technique of lurching forward. First I shoved half the front wheel into the carriageway. No effect. So then I pushed the full wheel into the road. Some cars slowed a little, but didn't let me cross. Eventually, when I'd shoved the wheel into the lane by two wheel widths, some Doris in an Astra took notice and stopped to let me cross. I also ignored a 'No cycling' sign on a footbridge over the M3. This is also good, because now I'm even with those cretinous drivers that refuse to give way at roundabouts and other junctions, and the vast majority of drivers who seem to be unable to work out what the number '30' displayed in a red circle means. All this pushing in and ignoring the law/rules meant I cut 8 minutes off the time it took me on Monday to ride the same route. Sweet...
Well done.Because, as you say, passing a stationary queue would just be "mad" and I'd be saving all the cars, vans, and lorries behind me from certain doom. Right?
Or perhaps (as is usually the case in drivers v cyclists threads) you really haven't thought this through properly?
Twice this evening I had cars fail to give way to me at roundabouts I was already ON. I got beeped at for having the bare-faced cheek to overtake a stationary queue of cars. And yes, I was on their offside, and yes the oncoming traffic lane was clear, and yes, the centre line of the road was marked with double solid white lines. But FYI: I CAN legally cross them to overtake vehicles moving at 10 mph or less, provided it's safe to do so. It was safe. I also punched the offside rear quarter panel of a Toyota Avensis that cut the corner at a 'T' junction so much that he was millimetres from "clipping the apex" with his offside tyres as I approached the Give Way line to turn right.
But I'm a quick learner. All this "learning by the example set" by those expert licensed drivers rubbed off. At one roundabout I'd decided to use the bike path instead of the carriageway, but for some reason no-one was letting me cross to the other side that way. So I applied the BMW/Audi driver technique of lurching forward. First I shoved half the front wheel into the carriageway. No effect. So then I pushed the full wheel into the road. Some cars slowed a little, but didn't let me cross. Eventually, when I'd shoved the wheel into the lane by two wheel widths, some Doris in an Astra took notice and stopped to let me cross. I also ignored a 'No cycling' sign on a footbridge over the M3. This is also good, because now I'm even with those cretinous drivers that refuse to give way at roundabouts and other junctions, and the vast majority of drivers who seem to be unable to work out what the number '30' displayed in a red circle means. All this pushing in and ignoring the law/rules meant I cut 8 minutes off the time it took me on Monday to ride the same route. Sweet...
Graveworm said:
yellowjack said:
But FYI: I CAN legally cross them to overtake vehicles moving at 10 mph or less, provided it's safe to do so.
Only if it's another pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle.."You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle"
...and as I was only passing one stationary vehicle at a time, I'd suggest that I was correct to do so. After all, they may well ALL have been parked. Having seen some shocking parking over the years, I wouldn't be surprised.
Plus, I'm passed on roads governed by solid white lines frequently. Even if I'm cycling at up to 25 mph, and the road ahead ISN'T clear. So again, I was applying lessons learned from observing the behaviour of thousands of registered, licensed "careful and competent" drivers. Maybe drivers in general should clean their own house before gobbing off about how dirty their neighbours' house is...
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