That's it, I am no longer defending Cyclists!
Discussion
Ares said:
My predominate gripe on the road, as a cyclist, isn't the a
hole type aggressive driving that we get reported here. From experience, most of the keyboard wkers here are just that. Pathetic tales of spewing fumes over cyclists and wishing to see them in a hedge are just figments of nerdish overactive/angry imaginations - few actually have the gall or immaturity to follow through with it - fortunately.
No, my biggest issue, as witness numerous times when I went out for 3 hours on Wednesday was sheer bad driving, mostly bad observation. I had 7 incidents on 95km where drivers pulled out in front of me. Cutting out from side roads in my lane, pulling out across me, or just forcing me to swerve dangerously when I had right of way. I don't suspect any was deliberate, just st driving and st observation.
The only one that then stopped was an older guy in a jag the pulled out of the entrance to Dunham Massey and caused me to swerve onto the footpath. It shocked him and his shock turned into anger and he came across to scream at me for riding too fast(!). Luckily with plenty of witnesses and a clam response he soon lost the wind from his sales.
Honestly, it just sounds like you are a fast rider.hole type aggressive driving that we get reported here. From experience, most of the keyboard wkers here are just that. Pathetic tales of spewing fumes over cyclists and wishing to see them in a hedge are just figments of nerdish overactive/angry imaginations - few actually have the gall or immaturity to follow through with it - fortunately.No, my biggest issue, as witness numerous times when I went out for 3 hours on Wednesday was sheer bad driving, mostly bad observation. I had 7 incidents on 95km where drivers pulled out in front of me. Cutting out from side roads in my lane, pulling out across me, or just forcing me to swerve dangerously when I had right of way. I don't suspect any was deliberate, just s
t driving and st observation.The only one that then stopped was an older guy in a jag the pulled out of the entrance to Dunham Massey and caused me to swerve onto the footpath. It shocked him and his shock turned into anger and he came across to scream at me for riding too fast(!). Luckily with plenty of witnesses and a clam response he soon lost the wind from his sales.
Humans are s
t at estimating the speed of an approaching small object (which we are when compared to cars).Drivers see the shape of a cyclist and immediately think "slow" and pull out.
They never bother to consider that you may be going just as fast as a car.
It happens all the time where you think to yourself "if I were in a car they would have NEVER pulled out like that"... which is 100% true.
They wouldn't. They just don't consider you might be moving that fast.
I know I do it myself when I approach a junction.
I see a car and think... I should probably stop, it's going to be going a reasonable pace, then I watch it for a second and work out how fast it is moving and whether I can pull out in front of it. You can't estimate the speed with just a glance.
If it is a bike approaching, drivers often don't bother with the second part of that. They just assume it's slow and pull out.
walm said:
Ares said:
My predominate gripe on the road, as a cyclist, isn't the ahole type aggressive driving that we get reported here. From experience, most of the keyboard wkers here are just that. Pathetic tales of spewing fumes over cyclists and wishing to see them in a hedge are just figments of nerdish overactive/angry imaginations - few actually have the gall or immaturity to follow through with it - fortunately.
No, my biggest issue, as witness numerous times when I went out for 3 hours on Wednesday was sheer bad driving, mostly bad observation. I had 7 incidents on 95km where drivers pulled out in front of me. Cutting out from side roads in my lane, pulling out across me, or just forcing me to swerve dangerously when I had right of way. I don't suspect any was deliberate, just st driving and st observation.
The only one that then stopped was an older guy in a jag the pulled out of the entrance to Dunham Massey and caused me to swerve onto the footpath. It shocked him and his shock turned into anger and he came across to scream at me for riding too fast(!). Luckily with plenty of witnesses and a clam response he soon lost the wind from his sales.
Honestly, it just sounds like you are a fast rider.hole type aggressive driving that we get reported here. From experience, most of the keyboard wkers here are just that. Pathetic tales of spewing fumes over cyclists and wishing to see them in a hedge are just figments of nerdish overactive/angry imaginations - few actually have the gall or immaturity to follow through with it - fortunately.No, my biggest issue, as witness numerous times when I went out for 3 hours on Wednesday was sheer bad driving, mostly bad observation. I had 7 incidents on 95km where drivers pulled out in front of me. Cutting out from side roads in my lane, pulling out across me, or just forcing me to swerve dangerously when I had right of way. I don't suspect any was deliberate, just s
t driving and st observation.The only one that then stopped was an older guy in a jag the pulled out of the entrance to Dunham Massey and caused me to swerve onto the footpath. It shocked him and his shock turned into anger and he came across to scream at me for riding too fast(!). Luckily with plenty of witnesses and a clam response he soon lost the wind from his sales.
Humans are s
t at estimating the speed of an approaching small object (which we are when compared to cars).Drivers see the shape of a cyclist and immediately think "slow" and pull out.
They never bother to consider that you may be going just as fast as a car.
It happens all the time where you think to yourself "if I were in a car they would have NEVER pulled out like that"... which is 100% true.
They wouldn't. They just don't consider you might be moving that fast.
I know I do it myself when I approach a junction.
I see a car and think... I should probably stop, it's going to be going a reasonable pace, then I watch it for a second and work out how fast it is moving and whether I can pull out in front of it. You can't estimate the speed with just a glance.
If it is a bike approaching, drivers often don't bother with the second part of that. They just assume it's slow and pull out.
It was a particularly bad day, not sure why, usually get no real incidents due to the roads I ride, but Wednesday was perhaps a magnet due to the nice weather?
Ares said:
Perhaps, but if you can't judge speed of a cyclist (which is always going to be between 10 - 25mph), then you shouldn't be in the road IMO. No excuse to pull out in front of any other road user.
It was a particularly bad day, not sure why, usually get no real incidents due to the roads I ride, but Wednesday was perhaps a magnet due to the nice weather?
I am sure they CAN judge speed, they just choose not to! "See bike - think slow - pull out..."It was a particularly bad day, not sure why, usually get no real incidents due to the roads I ride, but Wednesday was perhaps a magnet due to the nice weather?
yonex said:
If you are going to label someone have some facts to back up your argument? The fact is, Schmed has openly bragged about trying to annoy cyclists, he is a berk of the highest order and to be honest if he actually carries on like he claims at some point karma will be catching up with him. Anyway, back to you what you said.
Ha ha yonex, you are entertainment indeed. I make one reference to downchanging when overtaking about six months ago and I’m public enemy no. 1 on your list attracting all kinds of insults (with even apparently a new dumbass gorilla fan gaz123? or somesuch now jumping on the bandwagon. 
)Crediting you with slightly more intelligence than said bonobo is probably a mistake on my part but truth be told I even own a bike myself (albeit occasionally used off-roadj so am not completely alien to your hobby.
Problem is, unlike your brethren I’m not willing to underline my claim to road space “my lane!” with my life. If a truck pulls out or cuts me up, or tries to turn left, whatever I’m driving/cycling at the time I will yield because I hate bodywork damage as much as I hate being run over and killed by an HGV after falling off a bike. Unfortunately self preservation seems to be a quality missing amongst many of the cycling fraternity however.
Schmed said:
If a truck pulls out or cuts me up, or tries to turn left, whatever I’m driving/cycling at the time I will yield because I hate bodywork damage as much as I hate being run over and killed by an HGV after falling off a bike. Unfortunately self preservation seems to be a quality missing amongst many of the cycling fraternity however.
So will everyone else on a pushbike if they're given the opportunity to. Your original post blamed the cyclist for going up the inside of a truck when what actually happened was the cyclist was in his own lane minding his own business when the truck suddenly changed lanes without warning. I'd put a sizeable chunk of my mortgage on if the cyclist knew the truck was going to change lanes he'd have got out the way - very few people are stupid enough to think they're going to win that argument.Schmed said:
Ha ha yonex, you are entertainment indeed. I make one reference to downchanging when overtaking about six months ago and I’m public enemy no. 1 on your list attracting all kinds of insults
Being stupid enough to admit that you antagonise cyclists, for no good reason, is only bettered by trying to defend it. Every cycling thread, be it the daft number plate one, or something on training, etc, you, and your fellow bottom feeders are there.Schmed said:
(with even apparently a new dumbass gorilla fan gaz123? or somesuch now jumping on the bandwagon. )
No idea what that means, but ok. )Schmed said:
Crediting you with slightly more intelligence than said bonobo is probably a mistake on my part but truth be told I even own a bike myself (albeit occasionally used off-roadj so am not completely alien to your hobby.
Yes you are. Because you slate cycling/cyclists at every opportunity. I could pull every related post but I really can't be assed. I very much doubt you are a cycling type, given that cycling is a most social pastime and doesn't involve talking about the size of your knob.Schmed said:
Problem is, unlike your brethren I’m not willing to underline my claim to road space “my lane!” with my life.
If you are referring to the chap who ended up in hospital, you do realise he was run over?Schmed said:
If a truck pulls out or cuts me up, or tries to turn left, whatever I’m driving/cycling at the time I will yield
....you will yield for sure when you are run over.Schmed said:
because I hate bodywork damage as much as I hate being run over and killed by an HGV after falling off a bike.
Is that an attempt at humour or sarcasm, doesn't work either way.Schmed said:
Unfortunately self preservation seems to be a quality missing amongst many of the cycling fraternity however.
Those that have been run over and are critiqued by a Boxster driver you mean? Is it a Porsche driver thing?
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