What is the best way of dealing with middle-lane hoggers?
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Depends on the situation, for me.
If I'm in lane 1 (and why wouldn't I be?) and there's a good clear stretch in front of me (with enough room and then some to go past the middle-lane hogger before reaching a vehicle in my lane) I'll pass on the left - but only if there's a hard shoulder or some other "escape lane" should they decide to merge over while I'm passing.
If I can't do the above, I just go from 1 to 2 to 3 and then back again.
I never flash people, in the same way I never toot my horn at other drivers. Just risks escalating for no good reason.
If I'm in lane 1 (and why wouldn't I be?) and there's a good clear stretch in front of me (with enough room and then some to go past the middle-lane hogger before reaching a vehicle in my lane) I'll pass on the left - but only if there's a hard shoulder or some other "escape lane" should they decide to merge over while I'm passing.
If I can't do the above, I just go from 1 to 2 to 3 and then back again.
I never flash people, in the same way I never toot my horn at other drivers. Just risks escalating for no good reason.
If your observant and nobody is around or behind you for quite a distance then it makes sense to use the least pothole ridden lane and also use lanes other than lane 1 for keeping the best visibility of the road around bends. (bloody camera vans)
For passing someone just trundling along in a random lane with nobody around id move to the outside of them.
For passing someone just trundling along in a random lane with nobody around id move to the outside of them.
Edited by 457892345 on Monday 23 July 21:50
gazchap said:
Depends on the situation, for me.
If I'm in lane 1 (and why wouldn't I be?) and there's a good clear stretch in front of me (with enough room and then some to go past the middle-lane hogger before reaching a vehicle in my lane) I'll pass on the left - but only if there's a hard shoulder or some other "escape lane" should they decide to merge over while I'm passing.
If I can't do the above, I just go from 1 to 2 to 3 and then back again.
I never flash people, in the same way I never toot my horn at other drivers. Just risks escalating for no good reason.
But undertaking them will never do that, oh no ..If I'm in lane 1 (and why wouldn't I be?) and there's a good clear stretch in front of me (with enough room and then some to go past the middle-lane hogger before reaching a vehicle in my lane) I'll pass on the left - but only if there's a hard shoulder or some other "escape lane" should they decide to merge over while I'm passing.
If I can't do the above, I just go from 1 to 2 to 3 and then back again.
I never flash people, in the same way I never toot my horn at other drivers. Just risks escalating for no good reason.
Quote"' BM ' in your mirror, getting closer, closer, usually equates to.... Well, let's look at the evidence: Piloted by an experienced driver / Use headlights and horn to attract attention / Not an ordinary motorist / A successful dynamic person / No time to hang around / It's time to get out of the way / Not everybody can be successful /."
As said "BM ' in your mirror, getting closer, closer, usually equates to..." - IMHO, a selfish prat, who puts his impatientance before the safety of other road users. "
" Well, let's look at the evidence: Piloted by an experienced driver" - IMHO- again a selfish prat, who is writing cheques his car cn't sustain. i could say as someone in L3, at 70+ that I'm qualified to comment on that, but thn ,I've only got 50+ years on the road, have driven most things from Tractor to Hgh Performance ,with circa 2.5million + miles . I ,even at 70 look behind to check that i've not got one of these behind, as my reflexes are still greater than the average driver.
"Not an ordinary motorist / A successful dynamic person" ,AKA someone who thinks that because they drive an expensive car, they deserve priority./ Someone who likes to push folk out of the way, regardless of safety considerations.
"Not everybody can be successful", and I'm going to piss on those who don't get out of my way. Problem with this type is that ALL TOO OFTEN they forget that they might meet those they pissed on on the way down.
What I love to do with this sort of prat, is to let them past and then follow them for a few miles. I'm seldom that far off their rear bumper, as whilst mr BM man is busy bullying cars out of his way, I'm slipping down the other lanes. He's putting his own and other cars safety at risk. I'm using my years of driving experience ,without any safety problems. Think on- which of us is the Battenurg most likely to pull ?
As said "BM ' in your mirror, getting closer, closer, usually equates to..." - IMHO, a selfish prat, who puts his impatientance before the safety of other road users. "
" Well, let's look at the evidence: Piloted by an experienced driver" - IMHO- again a selfish prat, who is writing cheques his car cn't sustain. i could say as someone in L3, at 70+ that I'm qualified to comment on that, but thn ,I've only got 50+ years on the road, have driven most things from Tractor to Hgh Performance ,with circa 2.5million + miles . I ,even at 70 look behind to check that i've not got one of these behind, as my reflexes are still greater than the average driver.
"Not an ordinary motorist / A successful dynamic person" ,AKA someone who thinks that because they drive an expensive car, they deserve priority./ Someone who likes to push folk out of the way, regardless of safety considerations.
"Not everybody can be successful", and I'm going to piss on those who don't get out of my way. Problem with this type is that ALL TOO OFTEN they forget that they might meet those they pissed on on the way down.
What I love to do with this sort of prat, is to let them past and then follow them for a few miles. I'm seldom that far off their rear bumper, as whilst mr BM man is busy bullying cars out of his way, I'm slipping down the other lanes. He's putting his own and other cars safety at risk. I'm using my years of driving experience ,without any safety problems. Think on- which of us is the Battenurg most likely to pull ?
The secret is to ignore them . I used to fly into self righteous rages, swoop extravagantly in front of them to show them the error of their ways while making rude gestures to show the depth of my disdain. If I am brutally honest , it was an excuse to get angry .
My campaign failed , doomed from the outset. But as no 3 lane road is remotely interesting to drive on , when you do get by another one appears soon and 'Iose ' only seconds per mlh , far less than the next inexplicable queue I really don't give a s
t . Good for my blood pressure .
My campaign failed , doomed from the outset. But as no 3 lane road is remotely interesting to drive on , when you do get by another one appears soon and 'Iose ' only seconds per mlh , far less than the next inexplicable queue I really don't give a s
t . Good for my blood pressure . Get past them as soon as possible.
Over the years I've became pissed off with it. I travel into and out of Liverpool and have done for the past 10 years and the amount of foreigners that there are sat in the middle lane causing traffic is ridiculous.
Outside lane. Get away from them as soon as you can. Forget about it.
Life isn't worth stressing yourself over it as it isn't being actively policed.
Just imagine the amount of money the police force could gain by policing it say with an automatic £50 fine or £200 fine for catching people on their mobile phone.
The police force wouldn't be understaffed then.
Over the years I've became pissed off with it. I travel into and out of Liverpool and have done for the past 10 years and the amount of foreigners that there are sat in the middle lane causing traffic is ridiculous.
Outside lane. Get away from them as soon as you can. Forget about it.
Life isn't worth stressing yourself over it as it isn't being actively policed.
Just imagine the amount of money the police force could gain by policing it say with an automatic £50 fine or £200 fine for catching people on their mobile phone.
The police force wouldn't be understaffed then.
otolith said:
The trouble is that they stuff up the functioning of the motorway, resulting in increased congestion and accidents. It's not just the inconvenience of overtaking them.
Where you want a large spread of speeds they do.Where you don't want a large spread of speeds they don't have much affect.
If I'm not in a hurry I quite enjoy sitting in their NSR blind spot and matching their speed for a while.
Obviously this has no effect on the oblivious brigade but it seems to really unsettle the sanctimonious brigade.
It's also good for the "L2 or Death" brigade on DCs; move left whenever they should, into blindspot, move back out when you catch someone in L1.
Obviously this has no effect on the oblivious brigade but it seems to really unsettle the sanctimonious brigade.
It's also good for the "L2 or Death" brigade on DCs; move left whenever they should, into blindspot, move back out when you catch someone in L1.
vonhosen said:
otolith said:
The trouble is that they stuff up the functioning of the motorway, resulting in increased congestion and accidents. It's not just the inconvenience of overtaking them.
Where you want a large spread of speeds they do.Where you don't want a large spread of speeds they don't have much affect.
NickCQ said:
CharlieH89 said:
foreigners that there are sat in the middle lane causing traffic is ridiculous.
Foreign plates or just people who 'look a bit foreign' through the window... 
TarpaTow said:
I can't really think of times when I've been held up by lane blockers but that's probably because I drive a BM.
The sudden appearance of the BM grille and badging in somebody's mirrors, if they haven't already seen me catching them up quickly, just seems to get the message across that they're dealing with a high performance car being piloted quickly by an experienced driver, so they get out of the way really quickly.
If I didn't have the BM I would just use full headlights and horn to attract their attention.
It's all about the image created by the car you drive. I've recently gone back to a proper full time rwd BM and other drivers just know that somebody driving a machine like that is not your ordinary motorist but a successful dynamic person who hasn't got time to hang around like most other people. It isn't their fault because not everybody can be successful but they generally know when they're beaten and it's time to get out of the way.
About the only car I've ever had to get out of the way of had blue flashing lights on and it was going even quicker than me but it was a BM, one of the big 5 series and it did show me how impressive a well driven BM looks when it comes up quickly behind you.
This is bait, surely? The sudden appearance of the BM grille and badging in somebody's mirrors, if they haven't already seen me catching them up quickly, just seems to get the message across that they're dealing with a high performance car being piloted quickly by an experienced driver, so they get out of the way really quickly.
If I didn't have the BM I would just use full headlights and horn to attract their attention.
It's all about the image created by the car you drive. I've recently gone back to a proper full time rwd BM and other drivers just know that somebody driving a machine like that is not your ordinary motorist but a successful dynamic person who hasn't got time to hang around like most other people. It isn't their fault because not everybody can be successful but they generally know when they're beaten and it's time to get out of the way.
About the only car I've ever had to get out of the way of had blue flashing lights on and it was going even quicker than me but it was a BM, one of the big 5 series and it did show me how impressive a well driven BM looks when it comes up quickly behind you.
otolith said:
vonhosen said:
otolith said:
The trouble is that they stuff up the functioning of the motorway, resulting in increased congestion and accidents. It's not just the inconvenience of overtaking them.
Where you want a large spread of speeds they do.Where you don't want a large spread of speeds they don't have much affect.
They aren't interested in a high spread of speeds, so they aren't going to support a system to promote that.
They are busy upgrading to SMART motorways to promote an alternative system.
I don't personally find lane hoggers too much of a problem on motorways (SMART or otherwise).
I just get on with where I'm going to & don't let it worry me.
V88Dicky said:
This^^^ (preferably without the aggression though)
It's called 'orbiting', and my record is nine full orbits, on an empty M74 late at night.
Subject car was an beaten up Peugeot 307SW if I'm not mistaken.
I have heard it referred to as "hog-lapping" and I will hold my hand up and admit I have done it once or twice on a quiet motorway. I think one car I did it to was a Toyota Pious.It's called 'orbiting', and my record is nine full orbits, on an empty M74 late at night.
Subject car was an beaten up Peugeot 307SW if I'm not mistaken.
Another one I have been told about but never tried was to play "You're Not Turning Left" - match the hog's speed and sit in lane one so when they eventually want to exit the motorway they can't, but this makes you as bad as the hog and is bloody dangerous so don't do it.
Just continue past in L1 if it's clear or else L1>L2>L3>L2>L1 when safe to pass.
They are idiots and nothing you can do is going to change their behaviour/ driving habits so just get on with your own journey with as little fuss as possible. It's not worth getting wound up over.
(It would be nice if TPTB put up specific advice like "Don't Hog the Middle Lane" or "Keep Left Except to Pass" on the electronic signs though, instead of generic 'safe driving' platitudes. Also would be nice if police would enforce the law and ticket a few of them, or at least caution them.)
They are idiots and nothing you can do is going to change their behaviour/ driving habits so just get on with your own journey with as little fuss as possible. It's not worth getting wound up over.
(It would be nice if TPTB put up specific advice like "Don't Hog the Middle Lane" or "Keep Left Except to Pass" on the electronic signs though, instead of generic 'safe driving' platitudes. Also would be nice if police would enforce the law and ticket a few of them, or at least caution them.)
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