RE: Mercedes-AMG C63 S (2019): Driven

[popeyewhite]

mwstewart said:

cerb4.5lee said:

mwstewart said:

AMGs used to have a bit of elegance about them, but those days are long gone. It's a real shame.

I've always seen AMGs as brute force cars and the epitome of a tyre smoking machine...elegance has never been on the menu for me.

I like the brashness of AMG, if you want calm and collected you go to BMW or Audi I reckon.

Underneath, yes, but the presentation and package was never overtly brash.

BMW have very much taken over from them in this respect.

BMW has never been about elegance, but about the driving experience. AMG has never been brash (until the last iterations where I'll grant you things have changed, certainly as regards the more mass market models). The whole philosophy of AMG was to take a luxurious car and stick a huge engine in it, turning it into a dragster at the lights, but still an elegant car every other time. They didn't handle, didn't stop particularly well, were too soft for fast driving and the gearboxes were rubbish. This philosophy seems to have changed for the C Class, and is creeping into the E Class. The E63s used to be luxurious elegant cars that went fast, now they're racing cars with only a hint of luxury left. As mwstewart said, it's a real shame.

[jon-yprpe]

popeyewhite said:

jon-yprpe said:

Unfortunately there are a lot of trolls on PH who want to get a reaction.

Oh OK, the lazy old "I don't like what someones says about me/my car, have no coherent counter-argument so I'll just call them a troll" cliche.

jon-yprpe said:

Anyway, I have a white C63 Coupe, but I’m 45 and work in a Bank. Came out of a Range Rover Sport into it, and prior to that an F80 M3 - all in the last 18 months. So how to pigeonhole me based on the car I drive? Do I change my personality on the day I buy my new car? I need to change my cars less often, granted...

So briefly above we have a chap showing off how quickly he changes his (subjective) nice cars, how well paid his job is, and total lack of irony. Just for fun could you tell me if you have a tattoo or short hair?

Edited by popeyewhite on Thursday 26th July 11:22

Ok, I’ll play....

My M3 was a massive dissapointment. I loved my RRS, but the engine blew up and was replaced under warranty, then it broke down again and I just lost confidence in it. I got the AMG because I got a mega deal on it and I’ve always wanted a V8. Not trying to show off with my cars, but just saying you can’t ascribe a personality type to buying a particular car nowadays given your previous comments about C63 owners. I’ve had all sorts of cars but they’re all a bit ‘different’ because you only get one life and I love cars. My wife doesn’t get it at all and has a Ford Ranger truck - which I also love driving.

I don’t have a tattoo. I do have short hair, but nature has forced that upon me....

When your comments are judgemental and invariably negative it does mark you out as a troll. You have got me justifying my post, so well done Sir.

[MDL111]

how did they manage to make the Coupe heavier than the Saloon - seems weird

[Ahbefive]

cerb4.5lee said:

phil1979 said:

Edit: what Berkshire Hunt is responsible for the updated mobile format? What a tt.

The new format takes almost half of the screen away on my phone...I can hardly see what I'm reading! Glad I'm not the only one frustrated by it.

This is of far more interest than the boring article with a million hyphens.

Why do we have this crappy grey box at the bottom taking up loads of space? The C63 of forums.

[theplayingmantis]

all people judge others on what they drive, and certain cars have certain perceptions. that is human nature.

Anyone who says they don't are lying, we all do, as again that's human nature, we care what others thing of us, otherwise no one would buy material things and just walk around in burlap sacks, but regardless its not worth sweating over.

the fact that people are responding means they do clealry care. Just embrace the perception.

Car looks ok, dont like MB interiors with the afterthought screen, and too common on the roads for me or will be) test drove a c63 before i got my quad was very nice.

The article though is bks, at least in saloon iteration its not the segment leader, the quad is. the fact it says it is class leader at the end and says c63's i assume means hes not talking about the S/coupe and is meaning the c63 in general, which is clearly wrong. if the author does in fact mean the S then perhaps he is right as there isnt a Giulia Quad coupe...

[E65Ross]

theplayingmantis said:

all people judge others on what they drive, and certain cars have certain perceptions. that is human nature.

Anyone who says they don't are lying, we all do, as again that's human nature, we care what others thing of us, otherwise no one would buy material things and just walk around in burlap sacks, but regardless its not worth sweating over.

Wait, I thought we were talking about cars? It's perfectly feasible for someone to not care what others think about them based on their choice of car.

Secondly, RE to clothes analogy, that doesn't strictly hold true either....just because someone buys something material that THEY like the look of, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are buying/wearing it because of what other people will think about them does it? Anyway, this is WAY off topic, but it does appear that many on PH care too much about what other people think rather than just doing/getting what it is that would otherwise make them happy if they didn't care about the thoughts of others who they don't even know! Madness IMO.

[Kenny Powers]

Human nature to judge other human beings based on the car they are sitting in

[theplayingmantis]

E65Ross said:

theplayingmantis said:

all people judge others on what they drive, and certain cars have certain perceptions. that is human nature.

Anyone who says they don't are lying, we all do, as again that's human nature, we care what others thing of us, otherwise no one would buy material things and just walk around in burlap sacks, but regardless its not worth sweating over.

It's perfectly feasible for someone to not care what others think about them based on their choice of car.
.

But you do otherwise you wouldn't keep biting and wouldn't bother to react to the OP in the first place and keep defending your choice of vehicle (if you do indeed own one) against the perception he posted!

My post did actually go on topic at the end at least...in that the c63 in saloon guise is no way class leader. S maybe but i don't care as i need 4 doors, and if i wanted a coupe too would go for something a bit smaller like an LC -F if it happens. Dont want a big coupe thats better in saloon form, see m4<3

Edited by theplayingmantis on Thursday 26th July 13:16

[theplayingmantis]

Kenny Powers said:

Human nature to judge other human beings based on the car they are sitting in

human nature to judge on appearances be it other people, or material things. but lets not get philosophical/psychological though.

does it matter? as long as your happy with whatever you have who cares, don't react to these posts about the perception of the owners. don't be so defensive. deal with it, and just think that you have managed to get the monthlies to work (or probably not but do it anyway ) to afford a moderately pricy car.

Edited by theplayingmantis on Thursday 26th July 13:17

[Kenny Powers]

You’re wrong. I do not judge the merits of other people based on the car they are in. If you do, then perhaps it says more about you than it does them. As does the fact that you appear to be telling me what I think

[theplayingmantis]

Kenny Powers said:

You’re wrong. I do not judge the merits of other people based on the car they are in. If you do, then perhaps it says more about you than it does them. As does the fact that you appear to be telling me what I think

sure you dont kenny...

[E65Ross]

I do a lot of cycling, and last weekend I was out and had some tt in a BMW X5 pass ridiculously close to me despite no traffic coming the other way. Are you saying I should be thinking "Oh, all BMW X5 drivers are tts"? Because, just this morning, riding down a thin country road, I was going downhill, an X5 (no, it wasn't the same one....different colour!) was coming up the hill, there was a small passing place near them, they pulled over, flashed their lights and signalled me to come down.....that much mean all X5 drivers are really thoughtful?

Oh the conflictions!!

Or I could judge each case individually.....

[theplayingmantis]

E65Ross said:

I do a lot of cycling, and last weekend I was out and had some tt in a BMW X5 pass ridiculously close to me despite no traffic coming the other way. Are you saying I should be thinking "Oh, all BMW X5 drivers are tts"? Because, just this morning, riding down a thin country road, I was going downhill, an X5 (no, it wasn't the same one....different colour!) was coming up the hill, there was a small passing place near them, they pulled over, flashed their lights and signalled me to come down.....that much mean all X5 drivers are really thoughtful?

Oh the conflictions!!

Or I could judge each case individually.....

bet you were on a pinarello...get a look or a time, people will only judge you positively then as they do me.

[E65Ross]

theplayingmantis said:

E65Ross said:

I do a lot of cycling, and last weekend I was out and had some tt in a BMW X5 pass ridiculously close to me despite no traffic coming the other way. Are you saying I should be thinking "Oh, all BMW X5 drivers are tts"? Because, just this morning, riding down a thin country road, I was going downhill, an X5 (no, it wasn't the same one....different colour!) was coming up the hill, there was a small passing place near them, they pulled over, flashed their lights and signalled me to come down.....that much mean all X5 drivers are really thoughtful?

Oh the conflictions!!

Or I could judge each case individually.....

bet you were on a pinarello...get a look or a time, people will only judge you positively then as they do me.

Canyon Aeroad di2 actually. And it has disc brakes....so I clearly don't care too much about what others think

[popeyewhite]

E65Ross said:

..so I clearly don't care too much about what others think

Clearly not.

[E65Ross]

popeyewhite said:

E65Ross said:

..so I clearly don't care too much about what others think

Clearly not.

Could you elaborate? I would assume you are referring to the fact I'm responding to your messages, although my responding is in relation to your belief about what others think, and nothing to do with what you think about what I drive/wear or whatever else. I'm just trying to understand why you think that because you care about what others think, you somehow believe that must mean everyone cares about what everyone else thinks about them.

[G13NVL]

popeyewhite said:

E65Ross said:

That's a shame for you then I couldn't care what my car supposedly says about me. It works for me and that's what matters

Anyone who utters the "I couldn't care what my car supposedly says about me" cliche needs to have a think. Because it's proven time and again not to be true. People who thinks they make a decision buying a car without any kind of external influence, and by extension what they hope it says about them when they've bought it, is living in ignorance.

Simply not true. I wanted a v8 so what were my options less than £30k? Vxr8 was up there but wanted something less than 5 years old. M3 but don’t do much for me sooo c63 it was.

[Tin Hat]

I purchased an edition 125 C63 estate in 2012 with a performance pack, I’ve done about 45 k miles over the last 6 years, it has been very good fun indeed and apart from a lambda sensor at 1,200 miles and quite a few tyres, it has been rock solid and problem free. Having no badges fitted from day 1, I feel relatively ‘yob free’ and the engine really is something special, I dare any petrol head to genuinely dislike it.

To chop it in for the modern equivalent would cost me £40kish, I really don’t think that this latest version is desireable enough to make me want to change anytime soon

[popeyewhite]

G13NVL said:

popeyewhite said:

E65Ross said:

That's a shame for you then I couldn't care what my car supposedly says about me. It works for me and that's what matters

Anyone who utters the "I couldn't care what my car supposedly says about me" cliche needs to have a think. Because it's proven time and again not to be true. People who thinks they make a decision buying a car without any kind of external influence, and by extension what they hope it says about them when they've bought it, is living in ignorance.

Simply not true. I wanted a v8 so what were my options less than £30k? Vxr8 was up there but wanted something less than 5 years old. M3 but don’t do much for me sooo c63 it was.

Actually it's quite true, and applies to all manner of other things, such as white goods, holidays, girlfriends etc. Like it or not we all pay heed in one way or another to our inner self. And a large part of our self concept is created as a reaction to the values of others. As to your specific question, my point is that even if you buy the only car you can afford you are still swayed by what others will think - whether you acknowledge this fact or not.

[E65Ross]

popeyewhite said:

my point is that even if you buy the only car you can afford you are still swayed by what others will think - whether you acknowledge this fact or not.

Speak for yourself, perhaps, but to keep saying this as gospel for every single person out there is tripe. Are you saying that everything I buy has some bearing on what I think other people will think of me because of it....even down to white goods? I bought my fridge freezer because it offered the best value for money for the fridge and freezer capacity for what I needed and had features I wanted (eg frost-free, digital temperature settings etc), I most certainly did not buy it because I thought "hmmm, I best not buy a cheap fridge in case my mate thinks poorly of me"

In fact, the fact I bought an old Toyota Corolla goes completely against that. I'm sure other people who are sad enough to judge someone based on their cars think I'm a boring sod who doesn't care 1 jot about cars etc etc....but I know that to not be true, and so I don't care