RE: The ?100k Honda NSX: Spotted
Discussion
Why would anyone spend six figures on a car with a goatse interior? 
If you're going to spend that amount, at least get a proper R and not one with a fake red H badges.
https://torque-gt.co.uk/spotted-honda-nsx-r-na2/
For the £30k difference, you couldn't even replace the goatse interior with a real Type R one, nevermind the engine, wheels and brakes from the Type R.
If you're going to spend that amount, at least get a proper R and not one with a fake red H badges.
https://torque-gt.co.uk/spotted-honda-nsx-r-na2/
For the £30k difference, you couldn't even replace the goatse interior with a real Type R one, nevermind the engine, wheels and brakes from the Type R.
Inverness said:
J4CKO said:
It shares a basic engine with the Rover 800 as well.
I know PistonHeads is full of crap, but this statement is pure FAKE news!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_C_engine
Rover Sterling had a Honda C Series C25A/C27A engine, NSX a C30A.
I said "Basic Engine", its from the same family, don't think they are interchangeable.
cib24 said:
Is it the belt that is a mere £750? I understand you cannot get to the cam belt without removing the motor which is why there is a recommended Major Engine Service on the 355 every 3 years or 30,000 miles.
No, an engine out cambelt service including parts and labour, £750. You can do it without taking the engine out, but if it is taken out it is then possible to do a more detailed inspection of other parts in case there is anything else that needs to be done (and no, they don't always find something).J4CKO said:
Inverness said:
J4CKO said:
It shares a basic engine with the Rover 800 as well.
I know PistonHeads is full of crap, but this statement is pure FAKE news!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_C_engine
Rover Sterling had a Honda C Series C25A/C27A engine, NSX a C30A.
I said "Basic Engine", its from the same family, don't think they are interchangeable.
LarJammer said:
J4CKO said:
Inverness said:
J4CKO said:
It shares a basic engine with the Rover 800 as well.
I know PistonHeads is full of crap, but this statement is pure FAKE news!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_C_engine
Rover Sterling had a Honda C Series C25A/C27A engine, NSX a C30A.
I said "Basic Engine", its from the same family, don't think they are interchangeable.
Put an NSX unit next to one from a Rover 800 and they will look pretty much the same, the 800 had a 2.5/2.7 litre 24 valve V6 and the NSX got a 3 litre version, with Vtec and Titanium conrods, the Legend used it as well.
It was a bit of trivia, not sure why its so hard to accept, you share 96 percent of your DNA with Chimpanzees so not sure why accepting the NSX shares an engine family with a Rover is so difficult despite having the technical data in the link !
They should have done a Rover NSX, same as the Honda but with more fake wood.
gtrstill said:
I actually own a 25k mile from new R34 GTR Vspec II and this is about the only other 90s Jap sports car I would trade it for. Totally get the fact that there is plenty of choice but I am fairly sure only an NSX will give the same feeling of the roller doors going up on the garage. Or a new one of course!
As nice as your car is (and all RB engined GTRs), they just don't compare to the NSX. There's no getting away from the fact that all GTRs prior to the R35 share much with base model cars. The NSX is bespoke, and hand made. LarJammer said:
J4CKO said:
It was a bit of trivia, not sure why its so hard to accept, you share 96 percent of your DNA with Chimpanzees
No. The C30A shares 0% of its parts with the Rover unit.j_s14a said:
gtrstill said:
I actually own a 25k mile from new R34 GTR Vspec II and this is about the only other 90s Jap sports car I would trade it for. Totally get the fact that there is plenty of choice but I am fairly sure only an NSX will give the same feeling of the roller doors going up on the garage. Or a new one of course!
As nice as your car is (and all RB engined GTRs), they just don't compare to the NSX. There's no getting away from the fact that all GTRs prior to the R35 share much with base model cars. The NSX is bespoke, and hand made. ^^ and this car doesn't have the C30A - it has the C32B (290BHP) which is different again:
Honda increased displacement to 3,179 cc (3.2 L; 194.0 cu in) through the use of larger 93 mm (3.66 in) pistons over the 90 mm (3.54 in) used in the C30A. To accommodate the larger pistons, Honda used an advanced metallurgical technique on the cylinders called Fiber Reinforced Metal (FRM), in which an ultra lightweight alumina-carbon fiber is cast into the traditional aluminum alloy for enhanced rigidity. This process allowed thinner cylinder walls to be used while providing acceptable cooling characteristics. The C32B also used 36 mm (1.4 in) intake valves, which are 1 mm (0.04 in) larger than those in the C30A.
Honda increased displacement to 3,179 cc (3.2 L; 194.0 cu in) through the use of larger 93 mm (3.66 in) pistons over the 90 mm (3.54 in) used in the C30A. To accommodate the larger pistons, Honda used an advanced metallurgical technique on the cylinders called Fiber Reinforced Metal (FRM), in which an ultra lightweight alumina-carbon fiber is cast into the traditional aluminum alloy for enhanced rigidity. This process allowed thinner cylinder walls to be used while providing acceptable cooling characteristics. The C32B also used 36 mm (1.4 in) intake valves, which are 1 mm (0.04 in) larger than those in the C30A.
The NSX that Jenson Button used when driving for Honda F1 sold for 100K earlier this year:
http://www.parkwayspecialistcars.co.uk/stocklist/h...
Jenson had written on Instagram that he was looking for the car to buy it back - not sure if serious though.....
http://www.parkwayspecialistcars.co.uk/stocklist/h...
Jenson had written on Instagram that he was looking for the car to buy it back - not sure if serious though.....
Edited by dobly on Thursday 26th July 01:44
Can’t belive this has only 280 bhp, I know power isn’t always the point in these cars but 280! In 2005? A 130i had 265 bhp.
Judging by the rarity of these, perhaps it was the GT86 of today?
I wasn’t old enough in the 90’s early 00’s to remember how it was but so somebody put me in my place if I’m mistaken
Judging by the rarity of these, perhaps it was the GT86 of today?
I wasn’t old enough in the 90’s early 00’s to remember how it was but so somebody put me in my place if I’m mistaken
Speculators will always try it on with pushing used prices up for classics, of which the original NSX is definitely one.
If a Sierra Cossie or a Lancia Delta Integrale can fetch £100k+ then the NSX almost looks a bit of a bargain!
Of course the truly shameful thing is that any classic which hits this sort of money won't be used - it will be mothballed into an air-conditioned bank vault, only to reappear on the used market in 5-10 years' time for £300k+
If a Sierra Cossie or a Lancia Delta Integrale can fetch £100k+ then the NSX almost looks a bit of a bargain!
Of course the truly shameful thing is that any classic which hits this sort of money won't be used - it will be mothballed into an air-conditioned bank vault, only to reappear on the used market in 5-10 years' time for £300k+
Edited by Hairymonster on Thursday 26th July 06:40
If no one properly cherished old things, there would soon be none left. That would be the shame. Someone wanting to keep something locked away and pampered, isn’t “shameful”. You’re free to buy one and rag it around if you prefer. Meanwhile there will still be some left in 200 years, because other people kept them locked away 
J4CKO said:
Its a bit more than that isnt it.
Put an NSX unit next to one from a Rover 800 and they will look pretty much the same, the 800 had a 2.5/2.7 litre 24 valve V6 and the NSX got a 3 litre version, with Vtec and Titanium conrods, the Legend used it as well.
It was a bit of trivia, not sure why its so hard to accept, you share 96 percent of your DNA with Chimpanzees so not sure why accepting the NSX shares an engine family with a Rover is so difficult despite having the technical data in the link !
They should have done a Rover NSX, same as the Honda but with more fake wood.
the only component they share is an oil filter,Put an NSX unit next to one from a Rover 800 and they will look pretty much the same, the 800 had a 2.5/2.7 litre 24 valve V6 and the NSX got a 3 litre version, with Vtec and Titanium conrods, the Legend used it as well.
It was a bit of trivia, not sure why its so hard to accept, you share 96 percent of your DNA with Chimpanzees so not sure why accepting the NSX shares an engine family with a Rover is so difficult despite having the technical data in the link !
They should have done a Rover NSX, same as the Honda but with more fake wood.
that is literally it. Ask me how I know :P
I genuinely thought that with one half of car enthusiasts telling me its basically a rover engine and the other half telling me its an accord engine, it would be cheap to replace bits.
literally nothing matches, bar the aforementioned oil filter. The vtec solenoid gaskets are the same as a Honda b16 however.
Also the block and heads (sohc vs dohc etc) are different, the crank, rods and pistons are different. They share the same bore spacing but that's where it ends unfortunately, I would love to be able to pick up spares from a local motor factors as opposed to having to wait weeks and weeks for factories in japan to make, and then deliver it to me me
it might be from the same family according the Honda engine designations, but I'm fairly sure its shares more in common with a b series than any other c series engine :P
Edited by hkz286 on Thursday 26th July 07:58
Edited by hkz286 on Thursday 26th July 08:01
Objectively (and as an owner) I really do see the point of those people saying "these cars aren't worth £100k".
However subjectively, i.e. looking at the whole market, where E30 M3s and Sierra RS500s fetch £100k, and almost ANY classic 911 is even more (read old and slow air-cooled 911 to all the modern-car "look at my power" protagonists), the NSX in general looks like a bargain, and even the £100k cars are under-valued compared to their Porsche and Ferrari comparators.
The problem is that the investors (esp. Far East ones with a ton of cash) have got a firm hold on the classic and supercar markets now, which has pulled prices of most desirable cars WELL beyond any consideration of the true value of the cars*. Which is utterly s
t news for the enthusiast, as more and more cars will be sequestered away in a cocoon to avoid adding "value-destroying" mileage, rather than being used as intended, and instead will be adding to the future maintenance problems as everything will arguably dry-out / seize-up.
Until/unless the global economy pops badly, this isn't now going to change.
* And well beyond reach of most mere-mortal enthusiasts who were hoping to buy their childhood hero car when they were older. I couldn't afford my NSX now and consider myself very lucky that I bought when I did...even if I was silly and bought with heart not with an eye on 'investment' :spit:
However subjectively, i.e. looking at the whole market, where E30 M3s and Sierra RS500s fetch £100k, and almost ANY classic 911 is even more (read old and slow air-cooled 911 to all the modern-car "look at my power" protagonists), the NSX in general looks like a bargain, and even the £100k cars are under-valued compared to their Porsche and Ferrari comparators.
The problem is that the investors (esp. Far East ones with a ton of cash) have got a firm hold on the classic and supercar markets now, which has pulled prices of most desirable cars WELL beyond any consideration of the true value of the cars*. Which is utterly s
t news for the enthusiast, as more and more cars will be sequestered away in a cocoon to avoid adding "value-destroying" mileage, rather than being used as intended, and instead will be adding to the future maintenance problems as everything will arguably dry-out / seize-up.Until/unless the global economy pops badly, this isn't now going to change.
* And well beyond reach of most mere-mortal enthusiasts who were hoping to buy their childhood hero car when they were older. I couldn't afford my NSX now and consider myself very lucky that I bought when I did...even if I was silly and bought with heart not with an eye on 'investment' :spit:
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