RE: Aventador SVJ claims Nurburgring lap record

[Mafffew]

E65Ross said:

Depends whether McLaren put the Senna round there.

They may already have, but won't release the time like they did with the P1....

[RumbleOfThunder]

fking amazing. Glad the Avendator has taken the mantel back from the Huracan. The V12 should be the daddy. Just hope it doesn't turn out to be fabricated like last time.

[Big GT]

Wow what a time.
For something on the porky side weighing around 1.7ton that's incredible. The downforce, tyres and brakes must be immense.

Unfortunately with all this factored in I bet its a challenge to drive and will handle poorly on everyday roads. Buts is a Lamborghini at that's the point.

[RumbleOfThunder]

E65Ross said:

NJC0607 said:

I have severe doubts about this "claim"

Lambo`s track record in this area, is highly dubious at best..

1) - the last attempt was utter BS. sped up video, badly cut and a complete con.
2) - no way on earth this is a 100% street legal car you could buy/order in a showroom today
3) - tyres !

it has exactly the opposite effect of "brand image" when you are called out for something that maybe be BS and cant be proved.
you just look dishonest and silly and lose all credibility.

why not just do what Porsche did, and release the video straight away, with complete proof and answer any questions and confirm the tyre street legal tread and compounds.

at least that way people might believe you...

its BS, until 100% proof is provided

1 - if it was sped up, you better let the official record keepers know, because it stands. So you must know more than those who analyse the footage.
2 - why is it not street legal? It hasn't been fully unveiled yet, but you are claiming it's not street legal. You also say that you couldn't just walk into a dealer and order one.....as if that means its record isn't valid? You try walking into a Porsche dealership and ordering a GT2 RS then!
3 - what about the tyres? As far as I'm aware, they're road legal.

I am more dubious about your BS claims than the manufacturers to be honest for the reasons you state are easily dismissed/have poor logic.

The Huracan's lap was demonstrably falsified. Video's on Youtube break it down, and there's simply no other way to interpret it. I'd be surprised if they tried the same shenanigans this time around though.

[Exige77]

Davey S2 said:

The recent video of the Porsche 919 utterly destroying the 'Ring record has now made all other 'Ring videos completely uninteresting.

^^^^^What he said

[GroundEffect]

VTECMFR said:

Terrible name, but it looks like an amazing bit of kit.

What? Jota is a brilliant name that harks back to their history.

Muira P400 Jota SVR


Diablo SE30 Jota

[likesachange]

Ridiculous that people still call the original HP lap time BS...

Taking nothing away from the GT2RS that is an incredible time, i remember when the GT2's were classed as almost undriveable due to the boost, weight balance etc...

Really pleased that Aventador has went all out to get the record... This record may stand for a long long time for being fastest N/A production car of all time around the Ring!!!

Ferrari and Lamborghini have now said the V12's time is pretty much over... be interesting to see if the 812 run out will attempt a ring time... a few years off now i imagine.

Also pleased its now confirmed its called the Jota..

Especially as i bought V12 JOT as a gamble earlier in the year... wonder what value it has
Any takers??

[Never you mind]

RumbleOfThunder said:

E65Ross said:

NJC0607 said:

I have severe doubts about this "claim"

Lambo`s track record in this area, is highly dubious at best..

1) - the last attempt was utter BS. sped up video, badly cut and a complete con.
2) - no way on earth this is a 100% street legal car you could buy/order in a showroom today
3) - tyres !

it has exactly the opposite effect of "brand image" when you are called out for something that maybe be BS and cant be proved.
you just look dishonest and silly and lose all credibility.

why not just do what Porsche did, and release the video straight away, with complete proof and answer any questions and confirm the tyre street legal tread and compounds.

at least that way people might believe you...

its BS, until 100% proof is provided

1 - if it was sped up, you better let the official record keepers know, because it stands. So you must know more than those who analyse the footage.
2 - why is it not street legal? It hasn't been fully unveiled yet, but you are claiming it's not street legal. You also say that you couldn't just walk into a dealer and order one.....as if that means its record isn't valid? You try walking into a Porsche dealership and ordering a GT2 RS then!
3 - what about the tyres? As far as I'm aware, they're road legal.

I am more dubious about your BS claims than the manufacturers to be honest for the reasons you state are easily dismissed/have poor logic.

The Huracan's lap was demonstrably falsified. Video's on Youtube break it down, and there's simply no other way to interpret it. I'd be surprised if they tried the same shenanigans this time around though.

You can't really falsify ring times. I imagine you can make it appear as if you have via fancy videoing edits which is what is being claimed by the tin foil hat brigade but there must be some official present to verify it. I mean, you could take a 1970s mini 850, speed up the footage so it appears that it can go round the rings in 3mins flat! Doesn't make it a record does it?

Get a grip, the HP record wasn't BS and this one isn't BS.


Now where is that gif with fry saying shut up and take my money

[gigglebug]

RumbleOfThunder said:

The Huracan's lap was demonstrably falsified. Video's on Youtube break it down, and there's simply no other way to interpret it. I'd be surprised if they tried the same shenanigans this time around though.

Were they though? I thought that a large part of the argument at the time was based on the Huracan's speed between two points not stacking up against the Aventador's time to cover the same part. Didn't Lamborghini release data from the Huracan lap which couldn't be questioned and showed that the active aero gave it a greater speed over the duration of the lap even if it couldn't match the Aventador's v-max at a few specific points? Not that I am really fussed either way as I'd personally only be interested in seeing times set on the same day with the same driver. Now that would be interesting.

[Sandpit Steve]

E65Ross said:

InductionRoar said:

WCZ said:

InductionRoar said:

Is an extra 2.7 litres and six more cylinders really "only" worth 2.27 seconds?

Fair enough the Porsche is turbocharged, but I would have expected the Lambo to be substantially quicker than the Porsche.

really? it's not an easy record to beat lol

Really? What's the betting it is beaten again inside of two months?

Depends whether McLaren put the Senna round there.

It would be awesome to see three manufacturers hold the road car record in such a short space of time.

C’mon McLaren, what are you waiting for?

[MikeGalos]

Oooh. The Porsche fans are feeling threatened today.

[Byker28i]

Never you mind said:

You can't really falsify ring times. I imagine you can make it appear as if you have via fancy videoing edits which is what is being claimed by the tin foil hat brigade but there must be some official present to verify it. I mean, you could take a 1970s mini 850, speed up the footage so it appears that it can go round the rings in 3mins flat! Doesn't make it a record does it?

Get a grip, the HP record wasn't BS and this one isn't BS.


Now where is that gif with fry saying shut up and take my money

Ah but some porsche owner down the wine bar said it was false, only Porkers are the true god, so the official must have been bribed. FAKE NEWS shout the porsche owners...

It's brilliant that manufacturers chase these times. PH - Speed matters

[JuniorD]

Personally I wouldn't be getting a hard on at an unsubstantiated claim of a time around a track.

[Never you mind]

Byker28i said:

Never you mind said:

You can't really falsify ring times. I imagine you can make it appear as if you have via fancy videoing edits which is what is being claimed by the tin foil hat brigade but there must be some official present to verify it. I mean, you could take a 1970s mini 850, speed up the footage so it appears that it can go round the rings in 3mins flat! Doesn't make it a record does it?

Get a grip, the HP record wasn't BS and this one isn't BS.


Now where is that gif with fry saying shut up and take my money

Ah but some porsche owner down the wine bar said it was false, only Porkers are the true god, so the official must have been bribed. FAKE NEWS shout the porsche owners...

It's brilliant that manufacturers chase these times. PH - Speed matters

Yeah but it's the one that paid overs that do that. The others are too busy speccing contrasting stitching on their latest GT, sorry cash making scheme

[Mackofthejungle]

BUG4LIFE said:

E65Ross said:

sdiggle said:

This has all become rather uninteresting now.

Speak for yourself. I think it's great that, in this day and age, manufacturers are still pushing the boundaries of what is possible and are still bothering to make cars like this.

Chapeau

I agree. What the point of a fast/supercar if it isn't to try to break lap records. Thats the point of competition...or everything stays the same and the engineers have nothing to aim for.

There's no point with supercars, that is the point. All this lap record bks is dull as ditchwater. Everything stays the same?! As is supercars somehow have a greater goal in their existence to aim for.. It's not about progress, it's about selling rubbish to people who think they need it.

[Chestrockwell]

I wonder what kind of time the Senna can post, also the upcoming AMG thing with the F1 engine

[gigglebug]

Mackofthejungle said:

There's no point with supercars, that is the point. All this lap record bks is dull as ditchwater. Everything stays the same?! As is supercars somehow have a greater goal in their existence to aim for.. It's not about progress, it's about selling rubbish to people who think they need it.

There is little point in the majority of the cars featured on a dedicated website like Pistonheads other than to offer features that the owner thinks they would like and appreciate as oppose to what is actually required to achieve the specific job of transportation from A-B. Begs the question that if you don't appreciate the type of product featured by the specialist website why you would bother to be there in the first place?

[TheDrBrian]

E65Ross said:

NJC0607 said:

I have severe doubts about this "claim"

Lambo`s track record in this area, is highly dubious at best..

1) - the last attempt was utter BS. sped up video, badly cut and a complete con.
2) - no way on earth this is a 100% street legal car you could buy/order in a showroom today
3) - tyres !

it has exactly the opposite effect of "brand image" when you are called out for something that maybe be BS and cant be proved.
you just look dishonest and silly and lose all credibility.

why not just do what Porsche did, and release the video straight away, with complete proof and answer any questions and confirm the tyre street legal tread and compounds.

at least that way people might believe you...

its BS, until 100% proof is provided

1 - if it was sped up, you better let the official record keepers know, because it stands. So you must know more than those who analyse the footage.
2 - why is it not street legal? It hasn't been fully unveiled yet, but you are claiming it's not street legal. You also say that you couldn't just walk into a dealer and order one.....as if that means its record isn't valid? You try walking into a Porsche dealership and ordering a GT2 RS then!
3 - what about the tyres? As far as I'm aware, they're road legal.

I am more dubious about your BS claims than the manufacturers to be honest for the reasons you state are easily dismissed/have poor logic.

What official record keepers?
Surely if you were going for some sort of official record all the cars would need to be driven on the same day

[E65Ross]

TheDrBrian said:

E65Ross said:

NJC0607 said:

I have severe doubts about this "claim"

Lambo`s track record in this area, is highly dubious at best..

1) - the last attempt was utter BS. sped up video, badly cut and a complete con.
2) - no way on earth this is a 100% street legal car you could buy/order in a showroom today
3) - tyres !

it has exactly the opposite effect of "brand image" when you are called out for something that maybe be BS and cant be proved.
you just look dishonest and silly and lose all credibility.

why not just do what Porsche did, and release the video straight away, with complete proof and answer any questions and confirm the tyre street legal tread and compounds.

at least that way people might believe you...

its BS, until 100% proof is provided

1 - if it was sped up, you better let the official record keepers know, because it stands. So you must know more than those who analyse the footage.
2 - why is it not street legal? It hasn't been fully unveiled yet, but you are claiming it's not street legal. You also say that you couldn't just walk into a dealer and order one.....as if that means its record isn't valid? You try walking into a Porsche dealership and ordering a GT2 RS then!
3 - what about the tyres? As far as I'm aware, they're road legal.

I am more dubious about your BS claims than the manufacturers to be honest for the reasons you state are easily dismissed/have poor logic.

What official record keepers?
Surely if you were going for some sort of official record all the cars would need to be driven on the same day

No, this has never been the case with any track records. For example, F1 lap time records. When he mentions official record keepers, he means official time-keepers who have no vested interest in whether or not a new record is set.

[cookie1600]

InductionRoar said:

Really? What's the betting it is beaten again inside of two months?

Ahhh, you mean the Lamborghini Aventador SVJ twin-turbo?