RE: BMW M2 Competition: Driven

[anonymous-user]

Ares said:

Really?

When I was looking at an M3 CP, £mid-60s gave a great spec.

Yep, mine was £62k, DCT M3CP with Icon LED, reverse camera, HK sound, HUD. I could probably have got it cheaper if I'd bothered to hunt around a bit more.

[Ares]

janesmith1950 said:

Ares said:

Really?

When I was looking at an M3 CP, £mid-60s gave a great spec.

Yep, mine was £62k, DCT M3CP with Icon LED, reverse camera, HK sound, HUD. I could probably have got it cheaper if I'd bothered to hunt around a bit more.

Exactly. £70k would be very high spec....unless you NEED carbon ceramic brakes, I can't think how you would struggle to get it under £70k...and even then...

[Chestrockwell]

Ares said:

Really?

When I was looking at an M3 CP, £mid-60s gave a great spec.

M4 CP DCT starts at £66, ends up being 74 once you add on the road costs with the VED

[Ares]

Chestrockwell said:

Ares said:

Really?

When I was looking at an M3 CP, £mid-60s gave a great spec.

M4 CP DCT starts at £66, ends up being 74 once you add on the road costs with the VED

£66k on the road...before discounts.

[Chestrockwell]

Ares said:

£66k on the road...before discounts.

In that case Sytner we’re taking me for a ride, spec I had was

San Marino Blue - 950
Advanced parking package - 545
Heated steering wheel - 170
DCT - 2,645
Sun Protection - 320
HUD - 825
HK - 245

Total - 5700

71,700

I did make a mistake though, looking at the spec sheet, turns out she added the autoglym, service pack and gap insurance.

[boitjie]

Chestrockwell said:

I did make a mistake though, looking at the spec sheet, turns out she added the autoglym, service pack and gap insurance.

OT but, I had gtechniq ceramic coating on my car, after 6 months still shines up like new, no swirls, they even did the alloys and the brake dust rinses off really easy. Worth the extra dosh.

[Quentin-p4huq]

This looks like the most engaging and exciting car to come from BMW in a long time and I'm seriously tempted to buy one. The question I'd like to ask though is, are BMW going to be bold enough to give the new Z4 similar treatment?
Having owned a Z3 MCoupe, E46 M3, Z4 MCoupe, Z4 MRoadster, E92 M3 and various other MSport products over the years, I actually don't see any cars in the current line up that I consider true sports cars. There's a difference between fast cars and sports cars as I've found out the hard way when I bought an Audi RS6 and even a Porsche 997 Turbo, for instance. Fast doesn't necessarily equal fun.
The Boxster and Cayman have always been sublime to drive. The tactility and deftness of the handling, combined with the robust build quality, make them fantastic cars, if only they had enough power to truly excite. It's maddening that Porsche can so easily make these cars brilliant but restrict the production of the cars we really want to such small numbers and then charge a ridiculous amount for them.
The new Z4 with the power and dynamics of the M2 competition sounds like a winner to me, even if I do have to put up with turbochargers...

[SidewaysSi]

I am thinking of getting one as a family tool. Not sure of spec but would definitely go manual.

[p1stonhead]

SidewaysSi said:

I am thinking of getting one as a family tool. Not sure of spec but would definitely go manual.

Bit awkward for a family car no? Back of the two series isn’t exactly big.

[nick30]

p1stonhead said:

SidewaysSi said:

I am thinking of getting one as a family tool. Not sure of spec but would definitely go manual.

Bit awkward for a family car no? Back of the two series isn’t exactly big.

Although its not as practical as an estate or hatch the boot space is actually pretty good in the 2er and although I need to fold the seats forward to get them in my two and six year old daughters cope perfectly well in the back. Might be a different story for a powerfully built director but we cope pretty well with our 2 series as a family car. Any more children would be impossible though.

[p1stonhead]

nick30 said:

p1stonhead said:

SidewaysSi said:

I am thinking of getting one as a family tool. Not sure of spec but would definitely go manual.

Bit awkward for a family car no? Back of the two series isn’t exactly big.

Although its not as practical as an estate or hatch the boot space is actually pretty good in the 2er and although I need to fold the seats forward to get them in my two and six year old daughters cope perfectly well in the back. Might be a different story for a powerfully built director but we cope pretty well with our 2 series as a family car. Any more children would be impossible though.

I have a 2 year old and had kinda written off an m240i due to the (presumed I must admit) access issues. Perhaps I need to have a proper look!

[telecat]

I get two Six footers in the Back of My M240i easily. The Boot is rather Big as well. Providing you do not need to carry three in the back it's very practical and indeed quite comfy.

[nick30]

p1stonhead said:

nick30 said:

p1stonhead said:

SidewaysSi said:

I am thinking of getting one as a family tool. Not sure of spec but would definitely go manual.

Bit awkward for a family car no? Back of the two series isn’t exactly big.

Although its not as practical as an estate or hatch the boot space is actually pretty good in the 2er and although I need to fold the seats forward to get them in my two and six year old daughters cope perfectly well in the back. Might be a different story for a powerfully built director but we cope pretty well with our 2 series as a family car. Any more children would be impossible though.

I have a 2 year old and had kinda written off an m240i due to the (presumed I must admit) access issues. Perhaps I need to have a proper look!

Excuse the dirt - I have just taken a couple of pics as I happen to have in the boot a pram and two scooters and theres plenty of room for a few shopping bags!! Do it!

[p1stonhead]

nick30 said:

p1stonhead said:

nick30 said:

p1stonhead said:

SidewaysSi said:

I am thinking of getting one as a family tool. Not sure of spec but would definitely go manual.

Bit awkward for a family car no? Back of the two series isn’t exactly big.

Although its not as practical as an estate or hatch the boot space is actually pretty good in the 2er and although I need to fold the seats forward to get them in my two and six year old daughters cope perfectly well in the back. Might be a different story for a powerfully built director but we cope pretty well with our 2 series as a family car. Any more children would be impossible though.

I have a 2 year old and had kinda written off an m240i due to the (presumed I must admit) access issues. Perhaps I need to have a proper look!

Excuse the dirt - I have just taken a couple of pics as I happen to have in the boot a pram and two scooters and theres plenty of room for a few shopping bags!! Do it!

Very surprised! Back on the shortlist!

[Tuvra]

Chestrockwell said:

In that case Sytner we’re taking me for a ride, spec I had was

San Marino Blue - 950
Advanced parking package - 545
Heated steering wheel - 170
DCT - 2,645
Sun Protection - 320
HUD - 825
HK - 245

Total - 5700

71,700

I did make a mistake though, looking at the spec sheet, turns out she added the autoglym, service pack and gap insurance.

£71k?!?

I was offered one from stock in May with probably a slightly higher spec for bang on £57k!! 0% Interest made it £711 a month with nothing down over 4 years. It was tempting but I kept my money in on an M2C.

[nick30]

p1stonhead said:

nick30 said:

p1stonhead said:

nick30 said:

p1stonhead said:

SidewaysSi said:

I am thinking of getting one as a family tool. Not sure of spec but would definitely go manual.

Bit awkward for a family car no? Back of the two series isn’t exactly big.

Although its not as practical as an estate or hatch the boot space is actually pretty good in the 2er and although I need to fold the seats forward to get them in my two and six year old daughters cope perfectly well in the back. Might be a different story for a powerfully built director but we cope pretty well with our 2 series as a family car. Any more children would be impossible though.

I have a 2 year old and had kinda written off an m240i due to the (presumed I must admit) access issues. Perhaps I need to have a proper look!

Excuse the dirt - I have just taken a couple of pics as I happen to have in the boot a pram and two scooters and theres plenty of room for a few shopping bags!! Do it!

Very surprised! Back on the shortlist!

I obviously have interest in the article as it’s the next step up but honestly the car I have is perfect for me. I’ve had it a year in a couple of weeks and am planning to keep this one long term. I enjoyed the 2 previous beemers but now thinking just keep this one as a wider car with curb prone alloys and harder suspension is probably not for me. Plus I can’t afford one!!

[FocusRS3]

IS it too late to drag up this old thread on the M2 Comp?

Test driving a car this saturday at a dealer with 5k miles DCT both packs and they want 44k 2018 car.

Background is Porsche......

[RacerMike]

FocusRS3 said:

IS it too late to drag up this old thread on the M2 Comp?

Test driving a car this saturday at a dealer with 5k miles DCT both packs and they want 44k 2018 car.

Background is Porsche......

I suspect you'll dislike the steering immensely (all BMWs now seem to have a weird viscous and overly linear feeling to them these days) but it's still a nice car to drive. Personally, I'd go 981 or 718 as I think you'll appreciate the way they drive more, but it depends whether you want the practicality.

[FocusRS3]

RacerMike said:

I suspect you'll dislike the steering immensely (all BMWs now seem to have a weird viscous and overly linear feeling to them these days) but it's still a nice car to drive. Personally, I'd go 981 or 718 as I think you'll appreciate the way they drive more, but it depends whether you want the practicality.

Practicality not an issue so ill see how the test drive goes Saturday.

Liking the idea of DCT as always had manual cars

Porsche is all electric steering these days, something we ll have to accept i think

[RacerMike]

FocusRS3 said:

RacerMike said:

I suspect you'll dislike the steering immensely (all BMWs now seem to have a weird viscous and overly linear feeling to them these days) but it's still a nice car to drive. Personally, I'd go 981 or 718 as I think you'll appreciate the way they drive more, but it depends whether you want the practicality.

Practicality not an issue so ill see how the test drive goes Saturday.

Liking the idea of DCT as always had manual cars

Porsche is all electric steering these days, something we ll have to accept i think

There's a vast difference in steering between Porsche and BMW. Electric systems rob some feel, but they don't select the wrong steering ratio/rob all feel and make it impossible to judge what the front wheels are doing.

If I was to summarise:

Porsche HPAS:

Tonnes of detail (too much for my liking)
Great communication of contact patch force variation
Great accuracy
Good weighting (not too heavy)

Porsche EPAS:

Much less detail (about right for me, but I'm weird!)
Good communication of contact patch force variation
Great accuracy
Good weighting

BMW HPAS

Good detail (about right....less than Porsche HPAS)
Reasonable communication of contact patch force variation
Good accuracy
Reasonable weighting

BMW EPAS

No detail at all (feels like it's barely connected to the front wheels)
No communication at all of contact patch force variation
Really poor accuracy (hard to judge how much steering angle to use on the first input)
Terrible weighting. Feels like stirring a spoon in a tin of Golden Syrup.