RE: BMW M2 Competition: Driven
Discussion
Onehp said:
This also applies to the M2C Mike? If so, would put me off completely....
If it’s anything like the standard M2 it’s ok, but it feels like it’s more by accident than judgement! M3 is the one that I’d really struggle to live with. The combination of the engines power delivery and complete lack of communication through the wheel makes it really difficult to judge. It can really catch you out sometimes!
Best way I could put it about the M2 I drove was....better than the M3 in that you can at least tell something about the front wheels, but still weirdly viscous and disconnected. Not a complete deal breaker, but enough to mean it has to win me over in other ways.
By comparison, every current Porsche I drive, I get in and instantly have confidence in which is mainly as a result of the steering. It just feels spot on for accuracy and communicates enough about load transfer and contact patch force variation that you can instantly trust the front end. Something which I never really feel about any current BMW. Some are worse than others, but there’s no trend to it. Some M cars are ok, others are horrendous.
Edited by RacerMike on Wednesday 29th May 10:21
RacerMike said:
If it’s anything like the standard M2 it’s ok, but it feels like it’s more by accident than judgement!
M3 is the one that I’d really struggle to live with. The combination of the engines power delivery and complete lack of communication through the wheel makes it really difficult to judge. It can really catch you out sometimes!
Best way I could put it about the M2 I drove was....better than the M3 in that you can at least tell something about the front wheels, but still weirdly viscous and disconnected. Not a complete deal breaker, but enough to mean it has to win me over in other ways.
By comparison, every current Porsche I drive, I get in and instantly have confidence in which is mainly as a result of the steering. It just feels spot on for accuracy and communicates enough about load transfer and contact patch force variation that you can instantly trust the front end. Something which I never really feel about any current BMW. Some are worse than others, but there’s no trend to it. Some M cars are ok, others are horrendous.
Interesting opinion Mike - most of the initial road test reviews that came out praised the steering as being one of the best points about the car!M3 is the one that I’d really struggle to live with. The combination of the engines power delivery and complete lack of communication through the wheel makes it really difficult to judge. It can really catch you out sometimes!
Best way I could put it about the M2 I drove was....better than the M3 in that you can at least tell something about the front wheels, but still weirdly viscous and disconnected. Not a complete deal breaker, but enough to mean it has to win me over in other ways.
By comparison, every current Porsche I drive, I get in and instantly have confidence in which is mainly as a result of the steering. It just feels spot on for accuracy and communicates enough about load transfer and contact patch force variation that you can instantly trust the front end. Something which I never really feel about any current BMW. Some are worse than others, but there’s no trend to it. Some M cars are ok, others are horrendous.
Edited by RacerMike on Wednesday 29th May 10:21
Redline88 said:
RacerMike said:
If it’s anything like the standard M2 it’s ok, but it feels like it’s more by accident than judgement!
M3 is the one that I’d really struggle to live with. The combination of the engines power delivery and complete lack of communication through the wheel makes it really difficult to judge. It can really catch you out sometimes!
Best way I could put it about the M2 I drove was....better than the M3 in that you can at least tell something about the front wheels, but still weirdly viscous and disconnected. Not a complete deal breaker, but enough to mean it has to win me over in other ways.
By comparison, every current Porsche I drive, I get in and instantly have confidence in which is mainly as a result of the steering. It just feels spot on for accuracy and communicates enough about load transfer and contact patch force variation that you can instantly trust the front end. Something which I never really feel about any current BMW. Some are worse than others, but there’s no trend to it. Some M cars are ok, others are horrendous.
Interesting opinion Mike - most of the initial road test reviews that came out praised the steering as being one of the best points about the car!M3 is the one that I’d really struggle to live with. The combination of the engines power delivery and complete lack of communication through the wheel makes it really difficult to judge. It can really catch you out sometimes!
Best way I could put it about the M2 I drove was....better than the M3 in that you can at least tell something about the front wheels, but still weirdly viscous and disconnected. Not a complete deal breaker, but enough to mean it has to win me over in other ways.
By comparison, every current Porsche I drive, I get in and instantly have confidence in which is mainly as a result of the steering. It just feels spot on for accuracy and communicates enough about load transfer and contact patch force variation that you can instantly trust the front end. Something which I never really feel about any current BMW. Some are worse than others, but there’s no trend to it. Some M cars are ok, others are horrendous.
Edited by RacerMike on Wednesday 29th May 10:21
On the standard car. For example, Clarkson wrote:
“And then three hours after that, I was on the A1, going round a long left-hander at 70mph, and I thought: “Hang on a minute. This steering is absolutely bleeding fantastic.” I wasn’t taxing the car in any way at all; a Reliant Robin could have taken that bend at 70mph with ease. And yet I could feel that the steering was weighted perfectly and that it was talking to me in a gentle whisper.
And what makes that even more astonishing is that the power assistance is electric.”
“And then three hours after that, I was on the A1, going round a long left-hander at 70mph, and I thought: “Hang on a minute. This steering is absolutely bleeding fantastic.” I wasn’t taxing the car in any way at all; a Reliant Robin could have taken that bend at 70mph with ease. And yet I could feel that the steering was weighted perfectly and that it was talking to me in a gentle whisper.
And what makes that even more astonishing is that the power assistance is electric.”
Redline88 said:
On the standard car. For example, Clarkson wrote:
“And then three hours after that, I was on the A1, going round a long left-hander at 70mph, and I thought: “Hang on a minute. This steering is absolutely bleeding fantastic.” I wasn’t taxing the car in any way at all; a Reliant Robin could have taken that bend at 70mph with ease. And yet I could feel that the steering was weighted perfectly and that it was talking to me in a gentle whisper.
And what makes that even more astonishing is that the power assistance is electric.”
Sorry was Clarkson talking about the first M2 or the comp ? “And then three hours after that, I was on the A1, going round a long left-hander at 70mph, and I thought: “Hang on a minute. This steering is absolutely bleeding fantastic.” I wasn’t taxing the car in any way at all; a Reliant Robin could have taken that bend at 70mph with ease. And yet I could feel that the steering was weighted perfectly and that it was talking to me in a gentle whisper.
And what makes that even more astonishing is that the power assistance is electric.”
FocusRS3 said:
Redline88 said:
On the standard car. For example, Clarkson wrote:
“And then three hours after that, I was on the A1, going round a long left-hander at 70mph, and I thought: “Hang on a minute. This steering is absolutely bleeding fantastic.” I wasn’t taxing the car in any way at all; a Reliant Robin could have taken that bend at 70mph with ease. And yet I could feel that the steering was weighted perfectly and that it was talking to me in a gentle whisper.
And what makes that even more astonishing is that the power assistance is electric.”
Sorry was Clarkson talking about the first M2 or the comp ? “And then three hours after that, I was on the A1, going round a long left-hander at 70mph, and I thought: “Hang on a minute. This steering is absolutely bleeding fantastic.” I wasn’t taxing the car in any way at all; a Reliant Robin could have taken that bend at 70mph with ease. And yet I could feel that the steering was weighted perfectly and that it was talking to me in a gentle whisper.
And what makes that even more astonishing is that the power assistance is electric.”
I recently drove M2 Comp DCT at the Bedford autodrome (admittedly one of their track prep cars) and was suitably impressed.
It was night and day better than the M4 I drove there the year before and even though it's probably not it certainly felt lighter, more up on it's toes and playful, steering was also decent for epas as I recall, if I were in the market for a new 4 seater M car i'd have one.
It was night and day better than the M4 I drove there the year before and even though it's probably not it certainly felt lighter, more up on it's toes and playful, steering was also decent for epas as I recall, if I were in the market for a new 4 seater M car i'd have one.
I’ve driven both but the drive in the comp was just a BMW demo thing where you didn’t really get the opportunity to experience the car as such.
Owning the standard car, I can’t really fault it on the whole - the interior could be better and I really wish you could turn off the Rev matching without turning off the full DSC but it’s a good, useable, everyday performance car.
If auto trader and the like are a good indication then the values appear to be holding reasonably well for a new car also
Owning the standard car, I can’t really fault it on the whole - the interior could be better and I really wish you could turn off the Rev matching without turning off the full DSC but it’s a good, useable, everyday performance car.
If auto trader and the like are a good indication then the values appear to be holding reasonably well for a new car also
Redline88 said:
I’ve driven both but the drive in the comp was just a BMW demo thing where you didn’t really get the opportunity to experience the car as such.
Owning the standard car, I can’t really fault it on the whole - the interior could be better and I really wish you could turn off the Rev matching without turning off the full DSC but it’s a good, useable, everyday performance car.
If auto trader and the like are a good indication then the values appear to be holding reasonably well for a new car also
Used comps now seem 10k off list Owning the standard car, I can’t really fault it on the whole - the interior could be better and I really wish you could turn off the Rev matching without turning off the full DSC but it’s a good, useable, everyday performance car.
If auto trader and the like are a good indication then the values appear to be holding reasonably well for a new car also
RacerMike said:
Redline88 said:
RacerMike said:
If it’s anything like the standard M2 it’s ok, but it feels like it’s more by accident than judgement!
M3 is the one that I’d really struggle to live with. The combination of the engines power delivery and complete lack of communication through the wheel makes it really difficult to judge. It can really catch you out sometimes!
Best way I could put it about the M2 I drove was....better than the M3 in that you can at least tell something about the front wheels, but still weirdly viscous and disconnected. Not a complete deal breaker, but enough to mean it has to win me over in other ways.
By comparison, every current Porsche I drive, I get in and instantly have confidence in which is mainly as a result of the steering. It just feels spot on for accuracy and communicates enough about load transfer and contact patch force variation that you can instantly trust the front end. Something which I never really feel about any current BMW. Some are worse than others, but there’s no trend to it. Some M cars are ok, others are horrendous.
Interesting opinion Mike - most of the initial road test reviews that came out praised the steering as being one of the best points about the car!M3 is the one that I’d really struggle to live with. The combination of the engines power delivery and complete lack of communication through the wheel makes it really difficult to judge. It can really catch you out sometimes!
Best way I could put it about the M2 I drove was....better than the M3 in that you can at least tell something about the front wheels, but still weirdly viscous and disconnected. Not a complete deal breaker, but enough to mean it has to win me over in other ways.
By comparison, every current Porsche I drive, I get in and instantly have confidence in which is mainly as a result of the steering. It just feels spot on for accuracy and communicates enough about load transfer and contact patch force variation that you can instantly trust the front end. Something which I never really feel about any current BMW. Some are worse than others, but there’s no trend to it. Some M cars are ok, others are horrendous.
Edited by RacerMike on Wednesday 29th May 10:21
FocusRS3 said:
Redline88 said:
I’ve driven both but the drive in the comp was just a BMW demo thing where you didn’t really get the opportunity to experience the car as such.
Owning the standard car, I can’t really fault it on the whole - the interior could be better and I really wish you could turn off the Rev matching without turning off the full DSC but it’s a good, useable, everyday performance car.
If auto trader and the like are a good indication then the values appear to be holding reasonably well for a new car also
Used comps now seem 10k off list Owning the standard car, I can’t really fault it on the whole - the interior could be better and I really wish you could turn off the Rev matching without turning off the full DSC but it’s a good, useable, everyday performance car.
If auto trader and the like are a good indication then the values appear to be holding reasonably well for a new car also
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