RE: MAT Stratos: Driven
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TooMany2cvs said:
Or you could have a real one.
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/MO18/Monterey/l...
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1975-lancia-stra...
You may well even be able to get a real one AND a nice rep for everyday use.
fhttps://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/MO18/Monterey/l...
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1975-lancia-stra...
You may well even be able to get a real one AND a nice rep for everyday use.
k me! $600,000 (£500,000) for a Lancia Stratos. I know they are awesome things but not THAT awesome. J4CKO said:
Why dont Fiat/Lancia do a Stratos styled, relatively affordable 2 seater, sort of similar deal to the Alpine A110 ? It just seems like a massive unscratched itch, this is lovely but half a million quid ? there are still less than 500 of them, including this.
Those looks, 300 ish bhp, mid engined for 50 to 70 grand.
Lightweight/Spartan trim, 200-250 horses, 40K ish would be killer and a buy for me!Those looks, 300 ish bhp, mid engined for 50 to 70 grand.
Never you mind said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Or you could have a real one.
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/MO18/Monterey/l...
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1975-lancia-stra...
You may well even be able to get a real one AND a nice rep for everyday use.
fhttps://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/MO18/Monterey/l...
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1975-lancia-stra...
You may well even be able to get a real one AND a nice rep for everyday use.
k me! $600,000 (£500,000) for a Lancia Stratos. I know they are awesome things but not THAT awesome. Or, to look at it another way, about the same price as turning a second-hand 430 into a Stratos rep.
When you get to half-million-quid cars, surely "Which is the better investment?" has to form a part of the buying decision... Now apply that to this choice.
Call me a heathen but I can't stand the blare those 430s make and louder does not make better IMO. I don't mourn the loss of a 430 to make something special but this is not special enough for my liking. Can't put my finger on why as I love a Stratos.
Years ago a mate made a (Hawk?) replica with the correct Ferrari V6 and was stunning. The attention to detail he put into that was amazing. Sounded fantastic too.
Years ago a mate made a (Hawk?) replica with the correct Ferrari V6 and was stunning. The attention to detail he put into that was amazing. Sounded fantastic too.
Surely someone within one of the Italian brands can see an opportunity at under half a million quid???
I mean, the 8C wasn't cheap, and firstly the business case was successfully made, and then they made the car. Surely, if they could produce an 8C, then someone would be able to produce a new Stratos, which, when you consider the provenance, wouldn't you expect to be able to make money from that alone? Obviously the car itself has to be at an appropriate standard, but with so much margin to play with, I would have thought this was a real possibility.
Struggling to understand why they haven't gone ahead.
I mean, the 8C wasn't cheap, and firstly the business case was successfully made, and then they made the car. Surely, if they could produce an 8C, then someone would be able to produce a new Stratos, which, when you consider the provenance, wouldn't you expect to be able to make money from that alone? Obviously the car itself has to be at an appropriate standard, but with so much margin to play with, I would have thought this was a real possibility.
Struggling to understand why they haven't gone ahead.
TooMany2cvs said:
unpc said:
Years ago a mate made a (Hawk?) replica with the correct Ferrari V6 and was stunning. The attention to detail he put into that was amazing. Sounded fantastic too.
What would that be now, £150k-worth at most?big_rob_sydney said:
Surely someone within one of the Italian brands can see an opportunity at under half a million quid???
I mean, the 8C wasn't cheap, and firstly the business case was successfully made, and then they made the car. Surely, if they could produce an 8C, then someone would be able to produce a new Stratos, which, when you consider the provenance, wouldn't you expect to be able to make money from that alone? Obviously the car itself has to be at an appropriate standard, but with so much margin to play with, I would have thought this was a real possibility.
Struggling to understand why they haven't gone ahead.
Now amortise the development costs across a production run of a couple of dozen cars.I mean, the 8C wasn't cheap, and firstly the business case was successfully made, and then they made the car. Surely, if they could produce an 8C, then someone would be able to produce a new Stratos, which, when you consider the provenance, wouldn't you expect to be able to make money from that alone? Obviously the car itself has to be at an appropriate standard, but with so much margin to play with, I would have thought this was a real possibility.
Struggling to understand why they haven't gone ahead.
Nerdherder said:
J4CKO said:
Why dont Fiat/Lancia do a Stratos styled, relatively affordable 2 seater, sort of similar deal to the Alpine A110 ? It just seems like a massive unscratched itch, this is lovely but half a million quid ? there are still less than 500 of them, including this.
Those looks, 300 ish bhp, mid engined for 50 to 70 grand.
Lightweight/Spartan trim, 200-250 horses, 40K ish would be killer and a buy for me!Those looks, 300 ish bhp, mid engined for 50 to 70 grand.
It’s *almost* like Lancia engineers had a hand in its creation...
It *almost* like those ppl who have run Lancias for a long time regard the 4C as a Lancia...
I think if Lancia were to build one using the parts-bin they have available then it would be 70-80k, more likely 100k surely.
You'd need a V6 given the Stratos heritage- the Current Alfa QF v6 (possibly detuned)
Alloy build like the Alpine - (Alpine sell a bespoke car for 45-52k)
That leaves 20K for the engine choice and you've potentially got profit above 65K although they wouldnt be expecting to sell that many presumably so cost will need to rise to cover development costs.
Interesting alternative to the new TVR perhaps?
You'd need a V6 given the Stratos heritage- the Current Alfa QF v6 (possibly detuned)
Alloy build like the Alpine - (Alpine sell a bespoke car for 45-52k)
That leaves 20K for the engine choice and you've potentially got profit above 65K although they wouldnt be expecting to sell that many presumably so cost will need to rise to cover development costs.
Interesting alternative to the new TVR perhaps?
Reminds me of a Noble M600 type car. Looks fantastic, I'm sure it's a fantastic and rewarding driving experience, but seems hugely over-priced and might as well be a 90s saloon inside. When you're chanrging multiple hundred thousands pounds for a car it should be special in every department and this seems like a let down in more than one.
I think I'd rather get one of the good racing shops to build up a Lister Bell STR with a highly tuned Busso V6, much more in keeping with the original and properly engineered (rollcage, etc).
If you are desperate for the Ferrari connection then the STR-M with a Mondial engine/sub-frame would give you a V8 and a wide Stratos body, at the cost of some authenticity.
Either would be much more raw and in keeping with the true spirit of the Stratos, which was much more a time-limited back rounds blaster than a continental cruising sportscar … there'd be loads left in the budget for one of those ...
If you are desperate for the Ferrari connection then the STR-M with a Mondial engine/sub-frame would give you a V8 and a wide Stratos body, at the cost of some authenticity.
Either would be much more raw and in keeping with the true spirit of the Stratos, which was much more a time-limited back rounds blaster than a continental cruising sportscar … there'd be loads left in the budget for one of those ...
TooMany2cvs said:
s m said:
You really could build one hell of a replica for a lot less than £550,000
Or you could have a real one.https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/MO18/Monterey/l...
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1975-lancia-stra...
You may well even be able to get a real one AND a nice rep for everyday use.
I loved the original concept of this, wasn't it black? But this one is crazy pricing for what you get... I'd rather stick with the Ferrari I think.
Projects like these are ideal for hoovering up cosmetically damaged but otherwise solid performance cars, which when even if repaired have a stigma attached to them.
Instead, take such at say £50k and then plough £100k into them and you have a virtually unique car based on sound, well proven engineering.
There will be enough people who think outside the box to appreciate and own them in small quantities but that is all.
Outside of that budget and there is no real hope of success.
SInger via clever marketing have managed to break the mould and sell what on paper is a £50k car for £500k but I cannot think of anyone else.
Instead, take such at say £50k and then plough £100k into them and you have a virtually unique car based on sound, well proven engineering.
There will be enough people who think outside the box to appreciate and own them in small quantities but that is all.
Outside of that budget and there is no real hope of success.
SInger via clever marketing have managed to break the mould and sell what on paper is a £50k car for £500k but I cannot think of anyone else.
RacerMike said:
Ruined an F430? C’mon, it’s hardly a classic and certainly never will be. I thought pretty much everyone viewed it as the awkward F360 facelift it pretty much was before it was thoroughly blown into the weeds by the 458!
This is a far better use of an F430 imho
This ^^^ really can't see the attraction of a 430/360, hardly things of beauty. That being said £500k is a lot of folding, I guess another way to look at it though is that you're getting 1/25 and that rarity value alone has a huge amount of appeal This is a far better use of an F430 imho
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