RE: MAT Stratos: Driven
Discussion
I think,a few folk are missing a few key points here.
They are making 25 of these cars. 25.
They will sell every one of them to people with signicant car collections and to whom 500k is not a huge sum of money. I suspect a number of purchasers will have an original tucked away or at the very least could buy one without batting an eyelid.
I imagine they are also likely to be serial Ferrari collectors and the cost of a donor 430 will be equivalent to what most of us lose down the back of the sofa.
Personally I think it is gorgeous, as is the original. I would take a black one and pair it with an original in full on Alitalia livery.
They are making 25 of these cars. 25.
They will sell every one of them to people with signicant car collections and to whom 500k is not a huge sum of money. I suspect a number of purchasers will have an original tucked away or at the very least could buy one without batting an eyelid.
I imagine they are also likely to be serial Ferrari collectors and the cost of a donor 430 will be equivalent to what most of us lose down the back of the sofa.
Personally I think it is gorgeous, as is the original. I would take a black one and pair it with an original in full on Alitalia livery.
They are not making 25 of them, they are trying to get orders for 25, its a big difference.
This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
Edited by PAUL500 on Tuesday 31st July 15:05
PAUL500 said:
They are not making 25 of them, they are trying to get orders for 25, its a big difference.
This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
You don’t think they will sell them ?This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 31st July 15:05
PAUL500 said:
At say £150k to maybe £200k all in, inc donor then yes maybe 5 or 6 a year.
Outside of that then no.
At the end of the day its a sub £100k shortened F430 in a knock off party frock, a nice one yes, but that is all.
I don’t agree.Outside of that then no.
At the end of the day its a sub £100k shortened F430 in a knock off party frock, a nice one yes, but that is all.
That’s not the same as I think it’s good value.
Time will tell which of us is right !
Brooking10 said:
PAUL500 said:
At say £150k to maybe £200k all in, inc donor then yes maybe 5 or 6 a year.
Outside of that then no.
At the end of the day its a sub £100k shortened F430 in a knock off party frock, a nice one yes, but that is all.
I don’t agree.Outside of that then no.
At the end of the day its a sub £100k shortened F430 in a knock off party frock, a nice one yes, but that is all.
That’s not the same as I think it’s good value.
Time will tell which of us is right !
Great car yes, priced to sell, no.
PAUL500 said:
They are not making 25 of them, they are trying to get orders for 25, its a big difference.
This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
I was under the impression from contemporary reviews that Ferrari denied them the chance to make more than 1 which want to the private collector who paid for the whole project.This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
Edited by PAUL500 on Tuesday 31st July 15:05
PAUL500 said:
They are not making 25 of them, they are trying to get orders for 25, its a big difference.
This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
Indeed, I was taken aback that this thing has resurfaced again after all this time.........!!This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
Maybe they think there's more stupid people with excess money around these days so they are giving it another go with another publicity drive...?
RacerMike said:
PAUL500 said:
They are not making 25 of them, they are trying to get orders for 25, its a big difference.
This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
I was under the impression from contemporary reviews that Ferrari denied them the chance to make more than 1 which want to the private collector who paid for the whole project.This concept has been kicking around since the F430 was actually still in production, not one example sold.
You can also guarantee if they could actually sell 25 then they would continue to build them way past that number.
This is the same company that knocks out the various Jim Glickenhaus pet projects, the only buyer of such seems to be.......well Jim and that's it.
Edited by PAUL500 on Tuesday 31st July 15:05
Of course Ferrari cannot stop anyone converting an owners existing 430 though. This is the work around that Singer uses, they do not sell converted cars, they convert them for the existing owner, big legal difference.
TooMany2cvs said:
PAUL500 said:
This is the work around that Singer uses, they do not sell converted cars, they convert them for the existing owner, big legal difference.
Not in the UK. The Porsches they've played with should be on Qs.AaronEdgeworth said:
LarJammer said:
A bargain when compared to a singer.
Actually its on par, or a little more than a Singer. The DLS is $1.8m, but thats a whole other ballgame. A singer will run you circa £400k + the donor 964, again, a little cheaper that the required F430 for thisI don’t know otherwise but I’d be very surprised if this was done to the same level of detail.
PAUL500 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
PAUL500 said:
This is the work around that Singer uses, they do not sell converted cars, they convert them for the existing owner, big legal difference.
Not in the UK. The Porsches they've played with should be on Qs.Not unless it's somebody ridiculous like "breach of copyright" over the shape of an early 911... (Or Stratos, in this case) - in which case, it's down to who can afford most lawyers to tie it up for longest.
RacerMike said:
Ruined an F430? C’mon, it’s hardly a classic and certainly never will be. I thought pretty much everyone viewed it as the awkward F360 facelift it pretty much was before it was thoroughly blown into the weeds by the 458!
This is a far better use of an F430 imho
I'm in agreement, I'd happily sacrifice an F430 if it meant one more of these existed. This is a far better use of an F430 imho
My dad had an original Stratos way back when. I was fortunate enough to drive it quite a lot.
As anyone who has seen one in the flesh will know, the thing which defines it is its size. It really is TINY in the flesh. The size also dictates it's other main characteristic - its twitchy handling.
This car will, I assume , have neither.
Neither fish not fowl IMHO. Either buy an original, or , for 500k, something more contemporary.
Still, to each their own...
As anyone who has seen one in the flesh will know, the thing which defines it is its size. It really is TINY in the flesh. The size also dictates it's other main characteristic - its twitchy handling.
This car will, I assume , have neither.
Neither fish not fowl IMHO. Either buy an original, or , for 500k, something more contemporary.
Still, to each their own...
tJ4CKO said:
Oh for gods sake, the Stratos was a fantastic shape, people have been imitating and paying homage for 40 years or so, this is a half a million quid version based on a Ferrari.
Why dont Fiat/Lancia do a Stratos styled, relatively affordable 2 seater, sort of similar deal to the Alpine A110 ? It just seems like a massive unscratched itch, this is lovely but half a million quid ? there are still less than 500 of them, including this.
Those looks, 300 ish bhp, mid engined for 50 to 70 grand ?
FCA have the 4C and a massive parts bin to call on but they now just sell ugly hatchbacks for the rental market and only in Italy as far as I am aware, I think that even in the UK we are past moaning about 70s Lancias dissolving and their legacy now is more Stratos/Integrale than crusty Betas, Trevis and the like.
Good call; shame it won’t ever happenWhy dont Fiat/Lancia do a Stratos styled, relatively affordable 2 seater, sort of similar deal to the Alpine A110 ? It just seems like a massive unscratched itch, this is lovely but half a million quid ? there are still less than 500 of them, including this.
Those looks, 300 ish bhp, mid engined for 50 to 70 grand ?
FCA have the 4C and a massive parts bin to call on but they now just sell ugly hatchbacks for the rental market and only in Italy as far as I am aware, I think that even in the UK we are past moaning about 70s Lancias dissolving and their legacy now is more Stratos/Integrale than crusty Betas, Trevis and the like.
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