RE: Prior Convictions: McLaren Senna, road warrior
Discussion
thanks for the personal attack on my company search out by a previous fan boy poster, who decided as he had no argument for my ugly statements for this car thought that hed resort to personal attacks on me and my company..
so i thought perhaps id got it wrong and that as according the this fan boy, i have no vision or style.
i spent half an hour trying to find a positive comment about the sennas looks, i could find none, in fact, nearly every journalist, motor review expert and even the company directors at mclaren declare the car ugly.
not i never said the car was not going to be fast, or well engineered just plain frustratingly ugly
"Even McLaren’s boss admits as much, the hope being that ‘dynamite on the track’ performance will mean love at first sight for the 500 buyers who swiped right and stumped up £750,000 without even knowing what they were getting.
I have to admit I struggled when I first saw the studio pictures, and I’m a McLaren fanboy. The Senna’s overbite looked all wrong, the wheels seemed too small for the arches, the split side windows and extra glass in the doors was a bit weird and that wing looked like it was the wrong scale for the car and mounted a metre forward of where it should have been"
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/op-ed-new-mclare...
theres hundreds more, but not one single piece or article saying how lovely and stunning design the senna is..
so i guess you could say i was in the majority thoughts of the car loving world, and that this fanboy who resorts to personal attacks, is exactly the type of clientele referred to in my previous post that this car is aimed at..
its a free world, people are entitled to their opinions, but resorting to personal insults just because one doesnt agree with someone opinions or one does not have any other argument to add to the conversion is sad.
so i thought perhaps id got it wrong and that as according the this fan boy, i have no vision or style.
i spent half an hour trying to find a positive comment about the sennas looks, i could find none, in fact, nearly every journalist, motor review expert and even the company directors at mclaren declare the car ugly.
not i never said the car was not going to be fast, or well engineered just plain frustratingly ugly
"Even McLaren’s boss admits as much, the hope being that ‘dynamite on the track’ performance will mean love at first sight for the 500 buyers who swiped right and stumped up £750,000 without even knowing what they were getting.
I have to admit I struggled when I first saw the studio pictures, and I’m a McLaren fanboy. The Senna’s overbite looked all wrong, the wheels seemed too small for the arches, the split side windows and extra glass in the doors was a bit weird and that wing looked like it was the wrong scale for the car and mounted a metre forward of where it should have been"
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/op-ed-new-mclare...
theres hundreds more, but not one single piece or article saying how lovely and stunning design the senna is..
so i guess you could say i was in the majority thoughts of the car loving world, and that this fanboy who resorts to personal attacks, is exactly the type of clientele referred to in my previous post that this car is aimed at..
its a free world, people are entitled to their opinions, but resorting to personal insults just because one doesnt agree with someone opinions or one does not have any other argument to add to the conversion is sad.
It's ugly because it's not a ground up brand new car and is utilizing old hardpoints etc. Dunno why people pretend fast cars have to be hideous, it's simply not true. This is my living and I think it's a godawful piece of design, but certainly a quick car and I'd like a go in one on a circuit.
If the guy who's criticizing Andy's architecture business wants to post his automotive design CV that would be great. Absurd to call someone out for calling this car ugly.
If the guy who's criticizing Andy's architecture business wants to post his automotive design CV that would be great. Absurd to call someone out for calling this car ugly.
andyj007 said:
thanks for the personal attack on my company search out by a previous fan boy poster, who decided as he had no argument for my ugly statements for this car thought that hed resort to personal attacks on me and my company..
so i thought perhaps id got it wrong and that as according the this fan boy, i have no vision or style.
i spent half an hour trying to find a positive comment about the sennas looks, i could find none, in fact, nearly every journalist, motor review expert and even the company directors at mclaren declare the car ugly.
not i never said the car was not going to be fast, or well engineered just plain frustratingly ugly
"Even McLaren’s boss admits as much, the hope being that ‘dynamite on the track’ performance will mean love at first sight for the 500 buyers who swiped right and stumped up £750,000 without even knowing what they were getting.
I have to admit I struggled when I first saw the studio pictures, and I’m a McLaren fanboy. The Senna’s overbite looked all wrong, the wheels seemed too small for the arches, the split side windows and extra glass in the doors was a bit weird and that wing looked like it was the wrong scale for the car and mounted a metre forward of where it should have been"
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/op-ed-new-mclare...
theres hundreds more, but not one single piece or article saying how lovely and stunning design the senna is..
so i guess you could say i was in the majority thoughts of the car loving world, and that this fanboy who resorts to personal attacks, is exactly the type of clientele referred to in my previous post that this car is aimed at..
its a free world, people are entitled to their opinions, but resorting to personal insults just because one doesnt agree with someone opinions or one does not have any other argument to add to the conversion is sad.
For what it's worth I do apologise.so i thought perhaps id got it wrong and that as according the this fan boy, i have no vision or style.
i spent half an hour trying to find a positive comment about the sennas looks, i could find none, in fact, nearly every journalist, motor review expert and even the company directors at mclaren declare the car ugly.
not i never said the car was not going to be fast, or well engineered just plain frustratingly ugly
"Even McLaren’s boss admits as much, the hope being that ‘dynamite on the track’ performance will mean love at first sight for the 500 buyers who swiped right and stumped up £750,000 without even knowing what they were getting.
I have to admit I struggled when I first saw the studio pictures, and I’m a McLaren fanboy. The Senna’s overbite looked all wrong, the wheels seemed too small for the arches, the split side windows and extra glass in the doors was a bit weird and that wing looked like it was the wrong scale for the car and mounted a metre forward of where it should have been"
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/op-ed-new-mclare...
theres hundreds more, but not one single piece or article saying how lovely and stunning design the senna is..
so i guess you could say i was in the majority thoughts of the car loving world, and that this fanboy who resorts to personal attacks, is exactly the type of clientele referred to in my previous post that this car is aimed at..
its a free world, people are entitled to their opinions, but resorting to personal insults just because one doesnt agree with someone opinions or one does not have any other argument to add to the conversion is sad.
There was no need for it.
If you know people at a company and have a deeper connection with it, sometimes the more spicy criticism feels in some way personal. It really shouldn't.
Sometimes the internet forgets that companies are made up of real people. A lot of McLaren guys read these forums but they are big boys and girls and I'm sure they can handle it.
The point I was trying to make (badly) is imagine if somebody on an internet forum rudely commented your business - not just stating an opinion but going further - claiming incompetence. Stuff you'd never say to their face.
It's easy dishing it out but not so nice to receive it coming back.
But internet forums aren't real life, they are a place for people to anonymously vent their spleen from time to time - me included.
In short, I momentarily forgot this and stepped out of line.
I'll now retire once more to the naughty step and refrain from posting for a bit.
Maldini35 said:
For what it's worth I do apologise.
There was no need for it.
If you know people at a company and have a deeper connection with it, sometimes the more spicy criticism feels in some way personal. It really shouldn't.
Sometimes the internet forgets that companies are made up of real people. A lot of McLaren guys read these forums but they are big boys and girls and I'm sure they can handle it.
The point I was trying to make (badly) is imagine if somebody on an internet forum rudely commented your business - not just stating an opinion but going further - claiming incompetence. Stuff you'd never say to their face.
It's easy dishing it out but not so nice to receive it coming back.
But internet forums aren't real life, they are a place for people to anonymously vent their spleen from time to time - me included.
In short, I momentarily forgot this and stepped out of line.
I'll now retire once more to the naughty step and refrain from posting for a bit.
For what it’s worth, in my view you didn’t post anything offensive and were quite civil with your wording. The over sensitive responses display remarkable double standards in the context of people’s whining about the Senna.There was no need for it.
If you know people at a company and have a deeper connection with it, sometimes the more spicy criticism feels in some way personal. It really shouldn't.
Sometimes the internet forgets that companies are made up of real people. A lot of McLaren guys read these forums but they are big boys and girls and I'm sure they can handle it.
The point I was trying to make (badly) is imagine if somebody on an internet forum rudely commented your business - not just stating an opinion but going further - claiming incompetence. Stuff you'd never say to their face.
It's easy dishing it out but not so nice to receive it coming back.
But internet forums aren't real life, they are a place for people to anonymously vent their spleen from time to time - me included.
In short, I momentarily forgot this and stepped out of line.
I'll now retire once more to the naughty step and refrain from posting for a bit.
In my humble opinion
andyj007 said:
thanks for the personal attack on my company search out by a previous fan boy poster, who decided as he had no argument for my ugly statements for this car thought that hed resort to personal attacks on me and my company..
so i thought perhaps id got it wrong and that as according the this fan boy, i have no vision or style.
i spent half an hour trying to find a positive comment about the sennas looks, i could find none, in fact, nearly every journalist, motor review expert and even the company directors at mclaren declare the car ugly.
not i never said the car was not going to be fast, or well engineered just plain frustratingly ugly
"Even McLaren’s boss admits as much, the hope being that ‘dynamite on the track’ performance will mean love at first sight for the 500 buyers who swiped right and stumped up £750,000 without even knowing what they were getting.
I have to admit I struggled when I first saw the studio pictures, and I’m a McLaren fanboy. The Senna’s overbite looked all wrong, the wheels seemed too small for the arches, the split side windows and extra glass in the doors was a bit weird and that wing looked like it was the wrong scale for the car and mounted a metre forward of where it should have been"
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/op-ed-new-mclare...
theres hundreds more, but not one single piece or article saying how lovely and stunning design the senna is..
so i guess you could say i was in the majority thoughts of the car loving world, and that this fanboy who resorts to personal attacks, is exactly the type of clientele referred to in my previous post that this car is aimed at..
its a free world, people are entitled to their opinions, but resorting to personal insults just because one doesnt agree with someone opinions or one does not have any other argument to add to the conversion is sad.
Have a go in one.so i thought perhaps id got it wrong and that as according the this fan boy, i have no vision or style.
i spent half an hour trying to find a positive comment about the sennas looks, i could find none, in fact, nearly every journalist, motor review expert and even the company directors at mclaren declare the car ugly.
not i never said the car was not going to be fast, or well engineered just plain frustratingly ugly
"Even McLaren’s boss admits as much, the hope being that ‘dynamite on the track’ performance will mean love at first sight for the 500 buyers who swiped right and stumped up £750,000 without even knowing what they were getting.
I have to admit I struggled when I first saw the studio pictures, and I’m a McLaren fanboy. The Senna’s overbite looked all wrong, the wheels seemed too small for the arches, the split side windows and extra glass in the doors was a bit weird and that wing looked like it was the wrong scale for the car and mounted a metre forward of where it should have been"
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/op-ed-new-mclare...
theres hundreds more, but not one single piece or article saying how lovely and stunning design the senna is..
so i guess you could say i was in the majority thoughts of the car loving world, and that this fanboy who resorts to personal attacks, is exactly the type of clientele referred to in my previous post that this car is aimed at..
its a free world, people are entitled to their opinions, but resorting to personal insults just because one doesnt agree with someone opinions or one does not have any other argument to add to the conversion is sad.
You won’t give a toss what it looks like after that.
andyj007 said:
fairplay on apology.. were all good.. and apologies from me too not my intention to cause offence..
lets love all cars and move on..
Cheerslets love all cars and move on..
Edited by andyj007 on Thursday 9th August 21:31
That’s the funny thing, if we were in the pub talking cars over a few beers we’d get on like a house on fire.
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