RE: BMW M5 Competition: Driven
Discussion
popeyewhite said:
"Always" goes back a little further than 2005.
A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
By doing so you'd also need to look into cost options. The M5 today comes with a lot more standard spec that many would spec on the E34 and this increase the price.A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
It's also worth noting about discounts which were less readily available 30 years ago, further decreasing the price difference. Couple that with monthly payments being more affordable..... If it was far less affordable now, then the sales figures would be much lower right? Are they? No.
E65Ross said:
popeyewhite said:
"Always" goes back a little further than 2005.
A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
By doing so you'd also need to look into cost options. The M5 today comes with a lot more standard spec that many would spec on the E34 and this increase the price.A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
It's also worth noting about discounts which were less readily available 30 years ago, further decreasing the price difference. Couple that with monthly payments being more affordable..... If it was far less affordable now, then the sales figures would be much lower right? Are they? No.
E65Ross said:
M5's have always been expensive. Based upon inflation, options etc, the M5 is no more expensive than it ever was.
Incorrect, accounting for inflation it's 20% more expensive.E65Ross said:
It just comes with a better standard spec than yester-year.
As does every car on the market, but they haven't risen by 20%. I doubt piped exhaust noise and HUD is worth an extra 20% to most people. Incidentally the similarly daft-fast E63 S costs £20,000 less and surprise surprise has a "better standard spec than yester-year". 
popeyewhite said:
"Always" goes back a little further than 2005.
A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
Do you know what the word exponentially means?A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
popeyewhite said:
E65Ross said:
popeyewhite said:
"Always" goes back a little further than 2005.
A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
By doing so you'd also need to look into cost options. The M5 today comes with a lot more standard spec that many would spec on the E34 and this increase the price.A 1988 E34 M5 sold new at £31,295. Today's monetary equivalent is £81,000. Modern M5s have risen in cost exponentially and are not really the executive performance bargain they once were In fact they're 20% more expensive if you look at the whole picture rather than a recent snapshot. As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
It's also worth noting about discounts which were less readily available 30 years ago, further decreasing the price difference. Couple that with monthly payments being more affordable..... If it was far less affordable now, then the sales figures would be much lower right? Are they? No.
E65Ross said:
M5's have always been expensive. Based upon inflation, options etc, the M5 is no more expensive than it ever was.
Incorrect, accounting for inflation it's 20% more expensive.E65Ross said:
It just comes with a better standard spec than yester-year.
As does every car on the market, but they haven't risen by 20%. I doubt piped exhaust noise and HUD is worth an extra 20% to most people. Incidentally the similarly daft-fast E63 S costs £20,000 less and surprise surprise has a "better standard spec than yester-year". popeyewhite said:
As I'm a millionaire and have a private circuit in my back garden I think I'll snap one up though.
It will be excellent for fast laps, competing with your friends in Bentaygas and amgs, with the children in the back, listening to The Wiggles in air conditioned comfort.popeyewhite said:
As does every car on the market, but they haven't risen by 20%. I doubt piped exhaust noise and HUD is worth an extra 20% to most people. Incidentally the similarly daft-fast E63 S costs £20,000 less and surprise surprise has a "better standard spec than yester-year".
Where do you get the idea that an E63s retails at £20k less than an M5 Comp ?
E65Ross said:
Onehp said:
Just realised, if the new 3 series grows to 5 series proportions in the rear seat (not that big there either after all), the new M3 (base, manual) might be just about what I would be looking for...
I do NOT want to come across as a bit of a t
t here....this is a genuine question though.....are you in the market to spend £100k on a 4 door family car? I only know of a few who are, and none of them remotely want what you describe. The market for £100k sports cars.....totally different kettle of fish.I appreciate what you're saying and understand what you want. But you are, unfortunately, in an incredibly, incredibly small minority. It's such a minority that I can't think of any manufacturer that offer it? I bet if I were to ask 100 random members of the public who had a saloon car whether they'd prefer their car with manual wind-down windows to save literally a few kgs....I'd be willing to bet 99 of them, if not 100, would say "no, I'd rather electric". If I asked the same people "would you rather your car without carpet to save a few kgs" I'm pretty confident they'd also say no. Any manufacturer builds to a market, if there's no market....it's not a viable option.
I want what the A110 is to the Cayman in the big sedan/estate class. What Civic Type R is realtive to a RS3. A GT3 TP to a Turbo S. A modern E39 M5 that uses modern tech to make it lighter. A base 530i is ~50kg more than a base 330i, why is a M5 so much more than an M3? (rhetorical, I know why). It doesn't have to be an M5, I would be happy with a 535is that fullfills the above requirements, I want something involving and genuinely interesting to drive below 100mph, not a 200mph autobahn missile - something that does handle yes but it thrills first in a speed range unaccessible on public roads.
Or to turn around the question asked me here 'who will buy that' ? Well, how many people actually do high speed autobahn driving (during the night in Germany, if you're lucky), and isn't it rediculous how many rediculous fast big heavy (effectively high speed autobahn) cars are being developed and sold? Is what I'm looking for so outrageous? Manual wind down windows are not a must, nor are carpets thick as my big toe.
Yet I find that with my perhaps uncommon but surely not unicorn demands for a car, I can't actually think of a single car that comes close, not even one to dream of on an unlimited dream budget....
Edited by Onehp on Monday 20th August 07:04
Brooking10 said:
popeyewhite said:
You're right, it's more like £8-12k, depending where you look. Figure was from memory.
Had a test for Alzheimer’s recently ?Based on this form there’s every chance you have but are blissfully unaware.
Welshbeef said:
MC Bodge said:
I'm not in the market for one of these, but I know people who might be.
Personally, I can't help thinking that such ubersaloons are thoroughly pointless, though, especially in the UK.
A chap I know had one of the previous M5s. He was a bit disappointed, as he thought it was just like a 530d, with potential. Potential that he couldn't really use (and he is an enthusiastic bike rider).
Same could be said for anything nippy these days. Personally, I can't help thinking that such ubersaloons are thoroughly pointless, though, especially in the UK.
A chap I know had one of the previous M5s. He was a bit disappointed, as he thought it was just like a 530d, with potential. Potential that he couldn't really use (and he is an enthusiastic bike rider).
tting myself when the post arrives. I used to crave more and more power but I think I have found my limit, for the road at least and that perhaps straight line speed its "Fools Gold" when it comes to motoring nirvana.
I don’t get this whole “can’t use the power, too fast to have fun at anything less than license losing speeds etc.” mindset.
Personally I enjoy powerful cars because of the flexibility they offer in safe overtaking and making swift progress where speed limits allow me to press on. You have to excerice restraint in any car as you approach either the posted limit or the limit that you feel is safe for the prevailing conditions. With an abundance of power it’s also engaging to have to meter that power delivery in traction limited situations.
Is the idea is that some people like planting their foot and going flat out for longer periods of time? That would strike me as a “hold on!” attitude that doesn’t seem any safer or more fun to me than using part throttle with plenty in reserve.
Each to their own of course, but the idea of a car being too fast just seems daft to me when they all have a throttle that is closed by default
Personally I enjoy powerful cars because of the flexibility they offer in safe overtaking and making swift progress where speed limits allow me to press on. You have to excerice restraint in any car as you approach either the posted limit or the limit that you feel is safe for the prevailing conditions. With an abundance of power it’s also engaging to have to meter that power delivery in traction limited situations.
Is the idea is that some people like planting their foot and going flat out for longer periods of time? That would strike me as a “hold on!” attitude that doesn’t seem any safer or more fun to me than using part throttle with plenty in reserve.
Each to their own of course, but the idea of a car being too fast just seems daft to me when they all have a throttle that is closed by default
J4CKO said:
Welshbeef said:
MC Bodge said:
I'm not in the market for one of these, but I know people who might be.
Personally, I can't help thinking that such ubersaloons are thoroughly pointless, though, especially in the UK.
A chap I know had one of the previous M5s. He was a bit disappointed, as he thought it was just like a 530d, with potential. Potential that he couldn't really use (and he is an enthusiastic bike rider).
Same could be said for anything nippy these days. Personally, I can't help thinking that such ubersaloons are thoroughly pointless, though, especially in the UK.
A chap I know had one of the previous M5s. He was a bit disappointed, as he thought it was just like a 530d, with potential. Potential that he couldn't really use (and he is an enthusiastic bike rider).
tting myself when the post arrives. I used to crave more and more power but I think I have found my limit, for the road at least and that perhaps straight line speed its "Fools Gold" when it comes to motoring nirvana.
Cruising cross country at a sustained 100mph+ could be done in some places, but probably not wise for various reasons.
Of course, some will claim to extract the maximum from their M3/5 or S1000RR at all times.
It seems odd to compare the price of an early 90s M5 with a new one (even an inflation adjusted one).
With new cars you get so much more for your money. Ignoring driving pleasure, and purely looking at the £ value, the difference in the product is immense.
The new car has about 70% more power, lots more space, bigger wheels tyres and brakes. A better finished and appointed interior. Four wheel drive. far more intelligent and expensive transmission. Safety kit that wasn't even dreamed of back in the 90s. Infotainment, connectivity and navigation that wasn't possible on the E34. Auto everything.
If the adjusted cost of the E34 was £80k or so in today's money, then adding £15k for the differences in the current product seems perfectly reasonable.
With new cars you get so much more for your money. Ignoring driving pleasure, and purely looking at the £ value, the difference in the product is immense.
The new car has about 70% more power, lots more space, bigger wheels tyres and brakes. A better finished and appointed interior. Four wheel drive. far more intelligent and expensive transmission. Safety kit that wasn't even dreamed of back in the 90s. Infotainment, connectivity and navigation that wasn't possible on the E34. Auto everything.
If the adjusted cost of the E34 was £80k or so in today's money, then adding £15k for the differences in the current product seems perfectly reasonable.
popeyewhite said:
Brooking10 said:
popeyewhite said:
You're right, it's more like £8-12k, depending where you look. Figure was from memory.
Had a test for Alzheimer’s recently ?Based on this form there’s every chance you have but are blissfully unaware.
popeyewhite said:
Brooking10 said:
popeyewhite said:
You're right, it's more like £8-12k, depending where you look. Figure was from memory.
Had a test for Alzheimer’s recently ?Based on this form there’s every chance you have but are blissfully unaware.
E65Ross said:
popeyewhite said:
Brooking10 said:
popeyewhite said:
You're right, it's more like £8-12k, depending where you look. Figure was from memory.
Had a test for Alzheimer’s recently ?Based on this form there’s every chance you have but are blissfully unaware.
Maybe his friend who is apparently in the market for one could come on instead ?
E65Ross said:
popeyewhite said:
Brooking10 said:
popeyewhite said:
You're right, it's more like £8-12k, depending where you look. Figure was from memory.
Had a test for Alzheimer’s recently ?Based on this form there’s every chance you have but are blissfully unaware.
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