RE: BMW 8 Series Gran Coupe first look

[Ninja59]

Same platform yes, but the newer G series cars from 3 series on will be based on the CLAR (that applies to the X3 onwards models as well). The new 1 and 2 (and X1 and 2) will/do share UKL1 or 2 platform with the Mini range.

That is where the similarities really stop as the G30/31 5 series get aluminium instead of carbon fibre for certain areas which only the 7 and 8 benefit from (carbon core as BMW market it). The new 3 will not doubt have other cost cutting to reduce costs.

[jakesmith]

That’s disappointing, I’d been hoping for a really wide coupe maybe like the S63 Coupe sort of thing but lower with a smaller back seats
Instead it’s a huge bloated 6 series

[to3m]

jay-kay-em said:

Sometimes I think I'm not meant for these times.

A line-up with front wheel drive zafira looking things, an M-badge on every 2.0 diesel you see and now a four door 8er.

It's all just so thoroughly depressing.

Don't worry, if enough people don't buy them, they'll stop making them.

[Ares]

jakesmith said:

That’s disappointing, I’d been hoping for a really wide coupe maybe like the S63 Coupe sort of thing but lower with a smaller back seats
Instead it’s a huge bloated 6 series

You wanted the 4-door 8-series to have smaller seats than the 2 door S63...??

[Ares]

jay-kay-em said:

Sometimes I think I'm not meant for these times.

A line-up with front wheel drive zafira looking things, an M-badge on every 2.0 diesel you see and now a four door 8er.

It's all just so thoroughly depressing.

Do you need a cuddle...?

[RDMcG]

Body looks way too big for the wheels...

[R400TVR]

How on Earth did BMW get from a long, sleek, elegant saloon like this

to this ungainly, Audi S7 cloning monstrosity?

[iSore]

Cromulentvolvo said:

Is that a Kia Stinger copy?

And that raises another question..........

Kia, Hyundai etc are not sat on their arses daydreaming about the day they can compete with BMW. They're on their way right now. This is why BMW badly need a true halo model, something you would actually cross the road to gawp at. With the 2 Series Active ZafiraMax garbage and the hordes or 320d's as well as bigger hordes of the forthcoming FWD 1 Series, people might just start seriously comparing BMW with something far cheaper and probably more reliable from Korea and think ..hang on a minute...

[hyphen]

InTheMightyJungle said:

After all that hype of there being a fresh new model called the 8 series, its just a new 6 series Gran Coupe.

That is literally it. There's no more to it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the original 8 series from the 90s

Shame on BMW for associating the iconic 8 series name for this generically designed twaddle.

Near to release now:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cars/2018/...

[E65Ross]

hyphen said:

InTheMightyJungle said:

After all that hype of there being a fresh new model called the 8 series, its just a new 6 series Gran Coupe.

That is literally it. There's no more to it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the original 8 series from the 90s

Shame on BMW for associating the iconic 8 series name for this generically designed twaddle.

Near to release now:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cars/2018/...

Just like the last 6 series had nothing to do with the old 6 series, then?

[iSore]

E65Ross said:

Just like the last 6 series had nothing to do with the old 6 series, then?

And a huge success because of it.

Oh hang on...............

[E65Ross]

iSore said:

E65Ross said:

Just like the last 6 series had nothing to do with the old 6 series, then?

And a huge success because of it.

Oh hang on...............

Like the old 8 series was a huge success?

Oh hang on...............

[TwinExit]

It's not a real 8 series unless it has pop up head lights and sports an almost unnoticed kidney grill.

But we all know mediocrity and mass appeal wins the day, so I'm sure this abomination will sell well.

[E65Ross]

TwinExit said:

It's not a real 8 series unless it has pop up head lights and sports an almost unnoticed kidney grill.

But we all know mediocrity and mass appeal wins the day, so I'm sure this abomination will sell well.

Things evolve.

By your logic a 3 series isn't a 3 series without a shark nose

[Triumph Man]

Please please please let it depress the values of the 6GC so I can buy one sooner rather than later!

[Ares]

hyphen said:

I get that no car styling is all things to all, but to me, I can't see how that can be ugly/gopping/f*cking gash/horrendous/etc. It may not be to someones tase, they might not think it beautiful, they might not even think it is in anyway attractive, but ugly/gopping/etc?


I'd be genuinely interested, for those who think the new 8 is such an offensively ugly abomination, what current car sits at this opposite end of the spectrum to be beautiful/etc?

[iSore]

TwinExit said:

It's not a real 8 series unless it has pop up head lights and sports an almost unnoticed kidney grill.

But we all know mediocrity and mass appeal wins the day, so I'm sure this abomination will sell well.

Exactly. I had one 15-20 years ago and despite being a flop due to being a ludicrous amount of money, they were unique for a BMW and very desirable in a way BMW's aren't now. They were pretty much irreplaceable whereas this one is basically a 6 Series continuation. I'm sure it's pleasant enough though.

[kambites]

Ares said:

I get that no car styling is all things to all, but to me, I can't see how that can be ugly/gopping/f*cking gash/horrendous/etc. It may not be to someones tase, they might not think it beautiful, they might not even think it is in anyway attractive, but ugly/gopping/etc?

As with the Z4, I personally don't like it and indeed I might go so far as to use the word "ugly"... but only in a mild rather generic sort of way. It's certainly not offensive.

[Ares]

iSore said:

TwinExit said:

It's not a real 8 series unless it has pop up head lights and sports an almost unnoticed kidney grill.

But we all know mediocrity and mass appeal wins the day, so I'm sure this abomination will sell well.

Exactly. I had one 15-20 years ago and despite being a flop due to being a ludicrous amount of money, they were unique for a BMW and very desirable in a way BMW's aren't now. They were pretty much irreplaceable whereas this one is basically a 6 Series continuation. I'm sure it's pleasant enough though.

14yrs ago....PH posters were bhing about the new 6 being ridiculous compared to the proper 6-series in the 70s, and that the 6 was basically no more than a 5-series coupe....


But given your comments that despite the 'true' 8-series being a flop, they were more desirable.... What should BMW have done to launch a more halo product?

[E65Ross]

So this 8 series isn't a proper 8 series because it's similar to the old 6 series.

Erm....wasn't the 8 series similar to the very old 6? (ie big 2 door coupe)?