RE: 2019 Ford Focus ST due with 2.3 EcoBoost

[TTmonkey]

rear head room getting less generous with every new focus I see.

[lee_erm]

VitorioVeloce said:

It still looks like a minger to me, and the fact that ford did away with the multilink suspension on the lower engined models bothers me as well

VW and others did the same. Multilink is expensive, Ford need to compete. The models you'd want are multilink.

I'm a fan of the looks.

[VitorioVeloce]

lee_erm said:

The models you'd want are multilink.

Which arent necesarrily the models i could afford.

Im out of the company car game now, but going by previous experience, a Ti spec focus with the small enginge is probably what i, and most of my coworkers could afford, not to mention that with emissions and big business wanting to be green, there are penalties for the bigger engines.

Besides, car culture over here (netherlands) is quite different from the UK, engine size isnt the big deal here, your basic 1.5-1.6 turbo diesel is more then enough to power a focus anyway, its just a shame that you will also get poorer handling to go with it.

[Zetec-S]

RobXjcoupe said:

30k on a Ford Focus is ridiculous. Showing my age now, but why on earth would a family man splash out that much cash on a new Ford Focus?
Each to their own I suppose

I know, it's crazy. I mean, you can get a 118d M-Sport for that money...

[Sam993]

The rear is proper minging.

[Toltec]

Sam993 said:

The rear is proper minging.

I think it has already been driven through Halfords.

At Christmas.

[dazwalsh]

Oh dear, the new fiesta and focus look more like out of the hyundai stable than ford now. its a shame as the last gen fiesta was fantastic and the previous focus at least had some form of its own identity. it now looks pretty much the same as other cars in its class.

[Fastdruid]

Bring out an Estate version that can tow (the old one can't) and I'd be interested. Boot on the hatch is a bit too small otherwise.

275HP out of what is a pretty old engine by now (it's the old Mazda-L engine so similar to the old Mazda 3 and 6 MPS) should be pretty reliable... as long as they use the correct head gasket this time!

[Rawwr]

The shape of those rear doors is quite extraordinary. I'm really looking forward to having a go in one of these.

[Ahbefive]

RobXjcoupe said:

30k on a Ford Focus is ridiculous. Showing my age now, but why on earth would a family man splash out that much cash on a new Ford Focus?
Each to their own I suppose

What brand new 5door car with 275ish bhp and decent handling would you buy instead?

I'm guessing that you are just out of touch with the prices of new cars.

[Tuvra]

Ahbefive said:

RobXjcoupe said:

30k on a Ford Focus is ridiculous. Showing my age now, but why on earth would a family man splash out that much cash on a new Ford Focus?
Each to their own I suppose

What brand new 5door car with 275ish bhp and decent handling would you buy instead?

I'm guessing that you are just out of touch with the prices of new cars.

Totally

Can't wait to see it unveiled, I'm sure it will be excellent!

Let's hope the good old days of Ford Employee discounts come back, I can remember paying £20k in 2013 for a fully loaded Focus ST3

[RacerMike]

Fastdruid said:

Bring out an Estate version that can tow (the old one can't) and I'd be interested. Boot on the hatch is a bit too small otherwise.

275HP out of what is a pretty old engine by now (it's the old Mazda-L engine so similar to the old Mazda 3 and 6 MPS) should be pretty reliable... as long as they use the correct head gasket this time!

Don't believe everything you read on a forum. The EcoBoost engines are distantly related to the Mazda engines sharing a similar block, but basically everything else is different. The 2.3L variant of the Ford engine is also a stroked 2.0L EcoBoost. So it's an even more distant relative of the Mazda engine despite the similar swept capacity. A bit more info here:

https://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/24/is-ford-2-0-li...

[Sam993]

Tuvra said:

Ahbefive said:

RobXjcoupe said:

30k on a Ford Focus is ridiculous. Showing my age now, but why on earth would a family man splash out that much cash on a new Ford Focus?
Each to their own I suppose

What brand new 5door car with 275ish bhp and decent handling would you buy instead?

I'm guessing that you are just out of touch with the prices of new cars.

Totally

Can't wait to see it unveiled, I'm sure it will be excellent!

Let's hope the good old days of Ford Employee discounts come back, I can remember paying £20k in 2013 for a fully loaded Focus ST3

So 20k to 30k in 5 years is " Totally" then (even accounting for employee discounts)?

[Fastdruid]

RacerMike said:

Fastdruid said:

Bring out an Estate version that can tow (the old one can't) and I'd be interested. Boot on the hatch is a bit too small otherwise.

275HP out of what is a pretty old engine by now (it's the old Mazda-L engine so similar to the old Mazda 3 and 6 MPS) should be pretty reliable... as long as they use the correct head gasket this time!

Don't believe everything you read on a forum. The EcoBoost engines are distantly related to the Mazda engines sharing a similar block, but basically everything else is different. The 2.3L variant of the Ford engine is also a stroked 2.0L EcoBoost. So it's an even more distant relative of the Mazda engine despite the similar swept capacity. A bit more info here:

https://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/24/is-ford-2-0-li...

It is an evolution of the engine that was originally introduced in 2001. The 2.3L Ecoboost is the same bore+stroke as the 2.3L L3-VDT in the 3 and 6 MPS.

Even that article you link to confirms it, they've reworked it and improved it, the head is different but the rest is the same. It's not the same engine but I didn't say it was, it is still similar and part of the same "family".

[RacerMike]

Fastdruid said:

It is an evolution of the engine that was originally introduced in 2001. The 2.3L Ecoboost is the same bore+stroke as the 2.3L L3-VDT in the 3 and 6 MPS.

Even that article you link to confirms it, they've reworked it and improved it, the head is different but the rest is the same. It's not the same engine but I didn't say it was, it is still similar and part of the same "family".

Well....given that the crank, conrods, pistons, head, valve gear, valves, intake, exhaust and turbo are all completely different, I'd suggest a VW EA888 is about as closely related to the Mazda engine. Every engine in production is based off something, but that doesn't mean it inherently inherits the features and reliability, or any other attribute of the original design. The 2.3L EcoBoost is very different in many ways to the Mazda engine.

[Zetec-S]

Sam993 said:

Tuvra said:

Ahbefive said:

RobXjcoupe said:

30k on a Ford Focus is ridiculous. Showing my age now, but why on earth would a family man splash out that much cash on a new Ford Focus?
Each to their own I suppose

What brand new 5door car with 275ish bhp and decent handling would you buy instead?

I'm guessing that you are just out of touch with the prices of new cars.

Totally

Can't wait to see it unveiled, I'm sure it will be excellent!

Let's hope the good old days of Ford Employee discounts come back, I can remember paying £20k in 2013 for a fully loaded Focus ST3

So 20k to 30k in 5 years is " Totally" then (even accounting for employee discounts)?

Not sure why people are throwing around figures of £30k. Going on the Ford website today I'm struggling to spec a current fully loaded ST3 for more than £29k. And that's just list price.

Yes, I'm sure the new model will be a bit pricier, but I still reckon you'll be able to pick up one with a decent spec for a lot less than £30k.

[Rawwr]

Zetec-S said:

Not sure why people are throwing around figures of £30k. Going on the Ford website today I'm struggling to spec a current fully loaded ST3 for more than £29k. And that's just list price.

Yes, I'm sure the new model will be a bit pricier, but I still reckon you'll be able to pick up one with a decent spec for a lot less than £30k.

I don't know about that. The new model appears to be somewhat more expensive that the outgoing one. You can happily get a 125bhp ST Line X with a few options for £29,540.

[treeroy]

didn't even realise the mk4 was on the road yet. Haven't seen one.

[VitorioVeloce]

Rawwr said:

I don't know about that. The new model appears to be somewhat more expensive that the outgoing one. You can happily get a 125bhp ST Line X with a few options for £29,540.

Base price on a 125hp ST-line X is 24K though, would you really add another 5500 quid of options on a 24K car, which is already the highest standard spec? Ive specced 3 new cars in my life so far, all ive been bothered with option wise was a space saver spare and perhaps the colour... stuff like climate and cruise control is standard on cars like this

If the ST starts at 26K, i cant really imagine absolutely needing to spend another 4K in options.

[Fastdruid]

RacerMike said:

Fastdruid said:

It is an evolution of the engine that was originally introduced in 2001. The 2.3L Ecoboost is the same bore+stroke as the 2.3L L3-VDT in the 3 and 6 MPS.

Even that article you link to confirms it, they've reworked it and improved it, the head is different but the rest is the same. It's not the same engine but I didn't say it was, it is still similar and part of the same "family".

Well....given that the crank, conrods, pistons, head, valve gear, valves, intake, exhaust and turbo are all completely different, I'd suggest a VW EA888 is about as closely related to the Mazda engine. Every engine in production is based off something, but that doesn't mean it inherently inherits the features and reliability, or any other attribute of the original design. The 2.3L EcoBoost is very different in many ways to the Mazda engine.

The L3-VDT has a different crank, conrods, pistons, head, valve gear, valves, intake, exhaust and turbo to the L3-VE for example. Still the same family. It is similar, not identical.