RE: PH Service History: Buying a black sheep
Discussion
Robert-nszl1 said:
I must say the Gallardo is tempting, especially with a proper manual, recognising it won't be cheap to run. One of my bugbears is the sheer size of so many new cars. The 911 is now a GT, and having seen the new Vantage next to the old one, the thing that struck me was how big it was, particularly how wide. Part of the joy of the Gallardo is the size of it; I think I'm right in saying their footprint isn't much more than a Focus. Punting a Murcielago down a British B road I'd imagine is pretty daunting, let alone up and over one of the tighter Alpine passes, whereas one of these is just a better fit.
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A Gallardo is 1.9m wide , not including mirrors, a base 991 is 1.8m wide. ..
I love the shape , the fabulous engine and the whole vibe of the Gallardo, one of my absolute favourite cars but its very much supercar wide.
but then again , the new Focus measures more than 1.8m across too !
Dblue said:
Robert-nszl1 said:
I must say the Gallardo is tempting, especially with a proper manual, recognising it won't be cheap to run. One of my bugbears is the sheer size of so many new cars. The 911 is now a GT, and having seen the new Vantage next to the old one, the thing that struck me was how big it was, particularly how wide. Part of the joy of the Gallardo is the size of it; I think I'm right in saying their footprint isn't much more than a Focus. Punting a Murcielago down a British B road I'd imagine is pretty daunting, let alone up and over one of the tighter Alpine passes, whereas one of these is just a better fit.
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A Gallardo is 1.9m wide , not including mirrors, a base 991 is 1.8m wide. ..
I love the shape , the fabulous engine and the whole vibe of the Gallardo, one of my absolute favourite cars but its very much supercar wide.
but then again , the new Focus measures more than 1.8m across too !
I think Gallardo is hugely undervalued, especially the Manual cars.
On the Ferrari Mondial - i think they are starting to look good, some haters say awkward or ugly, but i'm not so sure, they are growing on people more, sure the 2.9 or 3.0 QV are not exactly super car fast, but there is always the 3.2 (same engine as 328) and this i would say is the sweet spot balance on performance having 270HP, but with lower running costs than the 3.4T which is same as 348 300hp engine, but needs engine out services (or at very least fuel tank out to get to belts) the 3.2 can be done engine in, via rear wheel arch. for the Mondial haters the 3.4T also shares the electronic dampers from the F355 (i think) and with 300hp are not exactly slow cars, add the 2+2 practicality and whats not to like for under £37K thats new golf R money?
Found this 3.4T car which looks good value, and to me a nice colour combo.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1026480
Seems we are now in the times of £60K escorts (RS mexico and RS cossies) and so i personally think these cars are looking good value compared.
There are a few Gallardos for sale in the £62-70K bracket which again seems very appealing in today's market of classics/modern classics, you only need to look at what £62K buys in the territory of air cooled porker land, and its not that much in comparison to these lambos.
I'm very tempted by a early Gallardo, but then that sort of money buys a 47K mile F430....or a low mileage, manual 360 modena, all look good value by today's classic car prices.
DB9 for me is showing its age internally, would like to try a Manual one though just to see how that V12 works with a stick, and the Mazza QP in this feature hmmm a non starter, for me in mazza land would be a nice pearl white gransport! only shame is no manual option.
Also would agree with the poster who mentioned the 456GT being undervalued, for £49K a Manual V12 Ferrari....not sure this will last forever, and we will look back on those and say oh we missed that boat!
Good feature though and makes the Man maths calculator come out!
Andy
On the Ferrari Mondial - i think they are starting to look good, some haters say awkward or ugly, but i'm not so sure, they are growing on people more, sure the 2.9 or 3.0 QV are not exactly super car fast, but there is always the 3.2 (same engine as 328) and this i would say is the sweet spot balance on performance having 270HP, but with lower running costs than the 3.4T which is same as 348 300hp engine, but needs engine out services (or at very least fuel tank out to get to belts) the 3.2 can be done engine in, via rear wheel arch. for the Mondial haters the 3.4T also shares the electronic dampers from the F355 (i think) and with 300hp are not exactly slow cars, add the 2+2 practicality and whats not to like for under £37K thats new golf R money?
Found this 3.4T car which looks good value, and to me a nice colour combo.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1026480
Seems we are now in the times of £60K escorts (RS mexico and RS cossies) and so i personally think these cars are looking good value compared.
There are a few Gallardos for sale in the £62-70K bracket which again seems very appealing in today's market of classics/modern classics, you only need to look at what £62K buys in the territory of air cooled porker land, and its not that much in comparison to these lambos.
I'm very tempted by a early Gallardo, but then that sort of money buys a 47K mile F430....or a low mileage, manual 360 modena, all look good value by today's classic car prices.
DB9 for me is showing its age internally, would like to try a Manual one though just to see how that V12 works with a stick, and the Mazza QP in this feature hmmm a non starter, for me in mazza land would be a nice pearl white gransport! only shame is no manual option.
Also would agree with the poster who mentioned the 456GT being undervalued, for £49K a Manual V12 Ferrari....not sure this will last forever, and we will look back on those and say oh we missed that boat!
Good feature though and makes the Man maths calculator come out!
Andy
andyman_2006 said:
Also would agree with the poster who mentioned the 456GT being undervalued, for £49K a Manual V12 Ferrari....not sure this will last forever, and we will look back on those and say oh we missed that boat!
The 456 boat has already sailed pretty far... https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-spottedyky...thegreenhell said:
andyman_2006 said:
Also would agree with the poster who mentioned the 456GT being undervalued, for £49K a Manual V12 Ferrari....not sure this will last forever, and we will look back on those and say oh we missed that boat!
The 456 boat has already sailed pretty far... https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-spottedyky...The £49K car was this one, which i was referring to:
http://www.mcgurk.com/stock/655/Ferrari-456-GT-Cou...
How many V12, Manual ferraris can you get in now for under £50K?? presume these guys will offer a service, MOT, and some sort of warranty - they have a decent stock of cars, more especially Astons i suppose.
Andy
Some nonsense talked about the Maserati in the article which is becoming a norm on Pistonheads these days. if you're going to write an article that does more than the usual semi-sponsored stuff that usually goes on, at least research properly.
The early QP is not a bad car and it certainly won't eat a clutch every 20k miles unless you are unlucky or spend your entire time in a London traffic jam. Think more like 40-50k miles with several owners getting more. Like any car, there are some issues but these should have been taken care of with regular maintenance and so the usual rules apply - Buy only a car with full history at main dealers or well known specialists and it's also wise to have it inspected which is easy to do. The early QPs suffer from subframe rot and so sometimes it's that which is more of a concern than the mechanicals.
In 2008, Maserati added a full ZF auto to the party and so if you're really worried about the clutch, look for one of those. They start around £15k so it's still not a lot of cash. They also launched a mild facelift at the same time and introduced the 4.7v8 as well so that's the S version and they will be around 3k more than a 4.2.
There's also Sport GT and Sport GTS versions which are very desirable and commanding often more money than a newer non-sport model.
They sound and look incredible and a good one should not cost fortunes to keep in good condition.
Last month I bought an '86 Mondial Coupe in San Francisco, sight unseen. I spent 8 days driving home to Connecticut:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/mondial-...
The car ran great all 3500 miles, through extremes of heat, altitude, and torrential rain. The Mondial sounds good, smells good, handles great and the 3.2 is plenty fast enough for public roads. And looks? Don’t consider one if you don’t like adoration – thumbs-up and people taking video on their phones as they follow you along is the norm. My advice is hurry, the Mondial detractors can be warmly thanked for keeping values reasonable for now but – just as for the other once maligned 4-seater Ferraris, 330 gt 2+2, 365 GT4 2+2, 308 gt4, 400 - the appreciation will come.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/mondial-...
The car ran great all 3500 miles, through extremes of heat, altitude, and torrential rain. The Mondial sounds good, smells good, handles great and the 3.2 is plenty fast enough for public roads. And looks? Don’t consider one if you don’t like adoration – thumbs-up and people taking video on their phones as they follow you along is the norm. My advice is hurry, the Mondial detractors can be warmly thanked for keeping values reasonable for now but – just as for the other once maligned 4-seater Ferraris, 330 gt 2+2, 365 GT4 2+2, 308 gt4, 400 - the appreciation will come.
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