Seat removes optional extras from it's entire range
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mholt1995 said:
Had a look through Seat's offerings.
Aside from on the highest spec Arona I can't find any trim level on any Seat model which contains a decent sound system (i.e a couple hundred watts with a subwoofer and DSP). It's usually the only option I deem "essential" beyond the trim level and Seat Sound was quite a cheap option from what I remember. Bit of a concern if only the base 6/8 speaker system is being offered, even on the top tech/luxury specs
If you want the top "luxury" or spec you're looking at the wrong car. Try the VW T-roc. Aside from on the highest spec Arona I can't find any trim level on any Seat model which contains a decent sound system (i.e a couple hundred watts with a subwoofer and DSP). It's usually the only option I deem "essential" beyond the trim level and Seat Sound was quite a cheap option from what I remember. Bit of a concern if only the base 6/8 speaker system is being offered, even on the top tech/luxury specs
48k said:
tejr said:
This was pretty much the norm until BMW/Mercedes/Audi made the options list mainstream. But they basically used it to make OTR 'from' prices artificially low.
That's simply not true. Not wishing to be rude but your comment makes you sound quite young? The likes of Ford, Vauxhall etc. were doing the "low base price and loads of options" back in the 70s and 80s. Want to add a radio? Or even a radio-cassette player? Want 60/40 split folding rear seats? All on the options list. Common options would be grouped together in to a trim level but you could still specify more.Easy, graddad!
WJNB]ownsman said:
If this is correct...........
It would indicate that the vast majority of Seat buyers are canny and don't waste money on options. They are already smart enough to figure out they are buying a car mechanically almost exactly the same as a more expensive Volkswagen. If you are doing that to save money and aren't worried by badge snobbery, why would you blow the saved money on options?
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Seat buyers are indeed canny & buy on price & possibly have little perception or appreciation for quality. That's fine & good for them. They probably shop at Lidl, buy the Sun newspaper & holiday at Butlins. Which is perfectly fine if that is the extent of ones ambition & taste. Many people are uncomfortable in luxurious surroundings & in the company of the better dressed & educated. Nice clothes, nice shops & hotels undermine their confidence & highlight their low esteem.
Of course such buyer are inevitably frequently vocal about the wisdom of buying a Seat or any other budget car (they protesteth too much & convince nobody). Funny then that buyers of premium brands just buy & drive having no need to justify anything to anybody.
Good job you quoted it, looks like he deleted it. What an arrogant pompous tool.It would indicate that the vast majority of Seat buyers are canny and don't waste money on options. They are already smart enough to figure out they are buying a car mechanically almost exactly the same as a more expensive Volkswagen. If you are doing that to save money and aren't worried by badge snobbery, why would you blow the saved money on options?
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Seat buyers are indeed canny & buy on price & possibly have little perception or appreciation for quality. That's fine & good for them. They probably shop at Lidl, buy the Sun newspaper & holiday at Butlins. Which is perfectly fine if that is the extent of ones ambition & taste. Many people are uncomfortable in luxurious surroundings & in the company of the better dressed & educated. Nice clothes, nice shops & hotels undermine their confidence & highlight their low esteem.
Of course such buyer are inevitably frequently vocal about the wisdom of buying a Seat or any other budget car (they protesteth too much & convince nobody). Funny then that buyers of premium brands just buy & drive having no need to justify anything to anybody.
The Crack Fox said:
One of the most enduring questions in the automotive world is this; "What, exactly, is the fking point of Seat?"
I bought a new Ibiza because it was better looking, better equipped and cheaper than the equivalent Polo And then somewhat inconsiderately my partner promptly (well, in under 9 weeks from it’s first registration) wrote it off!! So I spent twice as much on a MINI downsman said:
If this is correct...........
It would indicate that the vast majority of Seat buyers are canny and don't waste money on options. They are already smart enough to figure out they are buying a car mechanically almost exactly the same as a more expensive Volkswagen. If you are doing that to save money and aren't worried by badge snobbery, why would you blow the saved money on options?
Will other manufacturers follow? If they make most of their profit from options (Mini and certain expensive brands) then definitely not!
Only skimmed the first page so sorry if already mentioned but taking the VW / Seat parts sharing one step further we used to have a Seat Altea XL and quite a few of the bits under the bonnet were marked up with Audi logos.... Wonder why Seat and not Skoda though? Always though the VAG branding went a bit like this....It would indicate that the vast majority of Seat buyers are canny and don't waste money on options. They are already smart enough to figure out they are buying a car mechanically almost exactly the same as a more expensive Volkswagen. If you are doing that to save money and aren't worried by badge snobbery, why would you blow the saved money on options?
Will other manufacturers follow? If they make most of their profit from options (Mini and certain expensive brands) then definitely not!
Skoda = Value over perceived image
Seat = Sporty / a bit quirky but still giving good bang for buck
VW = Dependable / safe choice with a degree of badge image and some performance models to stand out against the bread and butter ones in the range
Audi = Badge image and "better" quality / performance with price to match expectations
But then i drive an Vauxhall Astra so what do i know lol.
TooMany2cvs said:
vsonix said:
I know traditionally BMW have been seen as the manufacturer stingiest with any kind of extras, in fact if I recall correctly, back in the early 1990s even a basic radio cassette was considered an 'extra'.
Not only BMW. I had a 1982 CX with the original head unit blanking plate lobbed in the glovebox. When my mother bought a Saab 900 in 1986, the head unit was dealer-fit. When I looked at getting a C-Class in 1996, the speakers/aerial/audio wiring was optional.Think I may still have the blanking plate somewhere...
catso said:
TooMany2cvs said:
vsonix said:
I know traditionally BMW have been seen as the manufacturer stingiest with any kind of extras, in fact if I recall correctly, back in the early 1990s even a basic radio cassette was considered an 'extra'.
Not only BMW. I had a 1982 CX with the original head unit blanking plate lobbed in the glovebox. When my mother bought a Saab 900 in 1986, the head unit was dealer-fit. When I looked at getting a C-Class in 1996, the speakers/aerial/audio wiring was optional.Think I may still have the blanking plate somewhere...
Personally, I find BMW the most frustrating of manufacturers with regards to options, though Mercedes is a close second. I looked for a stock 340i or 335d for a deal at the end of last year and only one car was available with bum warmers. That had another £8k of tat on it, like the Shadowline pack, which I didn't want.
My CLS is bizarrely spec'd as well. Loads of toys came as standard but not memory seats. They're electric but don't remember the position, a real pain when my wife is over a foot shorter than me.
CampDavid said:
catso said:
TooMany2cvs said:
When I looked at getting a C-Class in 1996, the speakers/aerial/audio wiring was optional.
Not just the '80s, I bought a new BMW 323iSE in 1996 and it came with no radio although it did have front and rear speakers.Think I may still have the blanking plate somewhere...
TooMany2cvs said:
CampDavid said:
catso said:
TooMany2cvs said:
When I looked at getting a C-Class in 1996, the speakers/aerial/audio wiring was optional.
Not just the '80s, I bought a new BMW 323iSE in 1996 and it came with no radio although it did have front and rear speakers.Think I may still have the blanking plate somewhere...
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