RE: £4.5m Bugatti Divo 'built for corners'

[VitorioVeloce]

SevenR said:

LOL!!
if you don't like this, you don't like cars. Anyone who says they don't like it....would you say no to a shot then? I'll bet you if you were out for a passenger ride you'd be singing its praises when you came out it with your face all a glow.

I wouldnt say no to a ride in it, even a passenger ride, but that doesnt mean i like it.

I do appreciate the engineering that goes into these cars, as an engineering showcase these things are right up there with F1 and LMP1 cars. But to say "if you dont like this, you dont like cars" is like saying "if you dont like pizza, you dont like food"

[SevenR]

VitorioVeloce said:

SevenR said:

LOL!!
if you don't like this, you don't like cars. Anyone who says they don't like it....would you say no to a shot then? I'll bet you if you were out for a passenger ride you'd be singing its praises when you came out it with your face all a glow.

I wouldnt say no to a ride in it, even a passenger ride, but that doesnt mean i like it.

I do appreciate the engineering that goes into these cars, as an engineering showcase these things are right up there with F1 and LMP1 cars. But to say "if you dont like this, you dont like cars" is like saying "if you dont like pizza, you dont like food"

What is there not to like if you're a fan of cars??? You cannot compare it to anything else other than another Bugatti. It's in a league of its own. If you can complain about anything on this, you're either a journalist doing your job or wealthy enough to own one.

I don't know any foodies who don't like pizza either. And even if I did, they wouldn't try one if offered.

[VitorioVeloce]

SevenR said:

What is there not to like if you're a fan of cars??? You cannot compare it to anything else other than another Bugatti. It's in a league of its own. If you can complain about anything on this, you're either a journalist doing your job or wealthy enough to own one.

I don't know any foodies who don't like pizza either. And even if I did, they wouldn't try one if offered.

Personally? I dont like the way it looks, both the veyron and chiron look a bit too big and bulbous for me, they look like a big massive heavy lump of a car. Now for what it is, it might not be that heavy, but it looks heavy, while something like a laferrari looks a lot sharper and lighter.

And on purpose, it is so absolutely, massively, over the top overkill in a GT car... i just dont quite see what would be the point of owning one rather then just one-up-manship in terms of cost. Its not a track weapon, for a hoon up the stelvio pass a ferrari (or whatever) will be more engaging and fun, and as a GT, there are cars less then a tenth of the cost which will do the exact same job, and happily transport you across the autobahn at 155 mph, and leave all the pedestrian 330ds in their dust.

It is better then other cars in 3 aspects:
- being a tech showcase, it is absolutely impressive in terms of engineering, even if it has no hybrid tech yet, the power output and sheer finesse and ease with which it deploys that power is awesome
- It has a ridiculous top speed, if you want a car for doing 400+ kph runs on the nardo ring, this is what you need, period
- It is insanely expensive, and as such, a requisite showpiece in your "im richer then all the other oil sheiks" garage.

Now numbers 2 and 3 dont mean much to me, 2 is irrelevant in any real world situation, 3 actually makes me look at it rather suspiciously, being expensive shouldnt be a goal onto its own, but in these ranges, it is.

Which leaves the styling (which is entirely personal, but i dont like it), and the tech-showcase...

And now ill give you another reason to scream at me to hand in my PH card, my position on the chiron is rather similar as the 911, dont like the looks of it, can appreciate the engineering, and as such, dont really like em.

[SevenR]

VitorioVeloce said:

Personally? I dont like the way it looks, both the veyron and chiron look a bit too big and bulbous for me, they look like a big massive heavy lump of a car. Now for what it is, it might not be that heavy, but it looks heavy, while something like a laferrari looks a lot sharper and lighter.

And on purpose, it is so absolutely, massively, over the top overkill in a GT car... i just dont quite see what would be the point of owning one rather then just one-up-manship in terms of cost. Its not a track weapon, for a hoon up the stelvio pass a ferrari (or whatever) will be more engaging and fun, and as a GT, there are cars less then a tenth of the cost which will do the exact same job, and happily transport you across the autobahn at 155 mph, and leave all the pedestrian 330ds in their dust.

It is better then other cars in 3 aspects:
- being a tech showcase, it is absolutely impressive in terms of engineering, even if it has no hybrid tech yet, the power output and sheer finesse and ease with which it deploys that power is awesome
- It has a ridiculous top speed, if you want a car for doing 400+ kph runs on the nardo ring, this is what you need, period
- It is insanely expensive, and as such, a requisite showpiece in your "im richer then all the other oil sheiks" garage.

Now numbers 2 and 3 dont mean much to me, 2 is irrelevant in any real world situation, 3 actually makes me look at it rather suspiciously, being expensive shouldnt be a goal onto its own, but in these ranges, it is.

Which leaves the styling (which is entirely personal, but i dont like it), and the tech-showcase...

And now ill give you another reason to scream at me to hand in my PH card, my position on the chiron is rather similar as the 911, dont like the looks of it, can appreciate the engineering, and as such, dont really like em.

Ok, I'll agree that when it comes to looks on a car it's purely a subjective thing, But, I think comparing this to a LaFez is just pointless. They are both amazing looking machines in their own way. Top of their class.
I like to embrace and celebrate the amazing things in the automotive world. I'm obviously not as fussy as some.
The looks of a top end car are quite down the list for me compared to what they would make me feel like driving them.
An example? The Gumpert Apollo springs to mind, And certainly the new RR.

I don't do screaming. But the 911, really??

[VitorioVeloce]

SevenR said:

Ok, I'll agree that when it comes to looks on a car it's purely a subjective thing, But, I think comparing this to a LaFez is just pointless. They are both amazing looking machines in their own way. Top of their class.
I like to embrace and celebrate the amazing things in the automotive world. I'm obviously not as fussy as some.
The looks of a top end car are quite down the list for me compared to what they would make me feel like driving them.
An example? The Gumpert Apollo springs to mind, And certainly the new RR.

Well agreed, the capacility of the chiron would probably make me forget all about the looks if i were ever lucky enough to drive one in a place where i could actually use the potential. But as it is, even if i take a trip to pie-in-the-sky land, where money doesnt mater, and i could drive a chiron around the nardo ring all day, that is about the only place its potential could be let loose, and it would get old.

As it is, with traffic and speed limits, i get frustrated with not being able to actually use the performance i have nearly daily, and that is with a measily NA 2.0 lump in a 1300kg car, i cant imagine "faster" having any real meaning once you get to ferrari levels of performance.

So in the end, considering it isnt exactly a track car, even in divo form, the thing that sets a Chiron apart from any other semi-fast GT are the price, the looks and the technical marvel that it is, and on looks, i just dont like it, simple as.

SevenR said:

I don't do screaming. But the 911, really??

Yup, even if i win the lottery, i wouldnt have one, i'd get a cayman instead for my porsche fix. I can get mildly excited about a fast 911 (as in, seeing a GT3RS about), but that is because of the tech under the skin which is impressive, looks wise a basic silver or black carrera excites me about as much as a diesel golf.

[TooMany2cvs]

SevenR said:

What is there not to like if you're a fan of cars???

It's pointless, unusable egowk for the hyper-rich. For everybody else, it's completely and utterly irrelevant.

SevenR said:

You cannot compare it to anything else other than another Bugatti.

Why can't it be compared with any of the other pointless billionaire egowks?

[WCZ]

https://youtu.be/qoyzchYFlhA

a video showing how usable the veyron is on an autobahn, lovely smooth acceleration and stopping power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFLkZVQ9S8

Henry Catchpole reviewing the chiron - "if you takeaway the stupid number chasing and insane top speed is the car still special and does it justify the price?, yes"

there's nothing like a bugatti

[TooMany2cvs]

WCZ said:

https://youtu.be/qoyzchYFlhA

a video showing how usable the veyron is on an autobahn, lovely smooth acceleration and stopping power.

Oh, well, thank gawd for that.

I'd hate to buy a 1,200bhp seven-figure-price car that wasn't actually usable on a straight flat bit of motorway...

[WCZ]

TooMany2cvs said:

Oh, well, thank gawd for that.

I'd hate to buy a 1,200bhp seven-figure-price car that wasn't actually usable on a straight flat bit of motorway...

? as pointed out in the video the chiron is good round corners too.

do you think it should be made illegal for Bugatti to build these cars?

do you think the buyers should be forced into a contract where they have to drive them regularly or attend track days?

what exactly would make you happy?

[Harry H]

I'd have one if I was a billionaire.

Would be a fantastic track day car. Thrashing round those circuits with 1500hp in supreme comfort. Yes there are quicker cars but who cares. You could always blitz them down the straights just for the fun. Then afterwards cruise down the autobahn knowing you've got the biggest knob on the road.

Glorious bit of kit.

[TooMany2cvs]

WCZ said:

? as pointed out in the video the chiron is good round corners too.

It's an autobahn, not the bleedin' Stelvio.

WCZ said:

do you think it should be made illegal for Bugatti to build these cars?

do you think the buyers should be forced into a contract where they have to drive them regularly or attend track days?

what exactly would make you happy?

Actually, I'm quite happy mostly ignoring them, with the occasional point-and-laugh at the risible egowkiness of them, thanks.

Do you think that every "petrolhead" should be forced to like them, as SevenR seemed to suggest?

SevenR said:

LOL!!
if you don't like this, you don't like cars.

[treeroy]

uberzero said:

Considering the car is track focused, it is hardly comparable to Speedtail (waiting for the reveal and only 106 to be built)
The hard lesson is avoiding underestimating the weight. Nature taught us with orcas extreme agile and speed despite their weight.

so the mclaren doesn't count because only 106 will be built. But the Bugatti instead is mass produced, at only 40?

[WCZ]

TooMany2cvs said:

WCZ said:

? as pointed out in the video the chiron is good round corners too.

It's an autobahn, not the bleedin' Stelvio.

WCZ said:

do you think it should be made illegal for Bugatti to build these cars?

do you think the buyers should be forced into a contract where they have to drive them regularly or attend track days?

what exactly would make you happy?

Actually, I'm quite happy mostly ignoring them, with the occasional point-and-laugh at the risible egowkiness of them, thanks.

Do you think that every "petrolhead" should be forced to like them, as SevenR seemed to suggest?

SevenR said:

LOL!!
if you don't like this, you don't like cars.

I was referring to this video re:corners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFLkZVQ9S8

Of course if you don't like them you don't like them then that's fine but where do you draw the line with what's egotistical and pointless - £200k, £300k, £400k+?

[Don1]

Gloriously hatstand. I can only hope that a few get used properly, rather than being placed in a sealed environment.

[VitorioVeloce]

TooMany2cvs said:

WCZ said:

do you think it should be made illegal for Bugatti to build these cars?

do you think the buyers should be forced into a contract where they have to drive them regularly or attend track days?

what exactly would make you happy?

Actually, I'm quite happy mostly ignoring them, with the occasional point-and-laugh at the risible egowkiness of them, thanks.

Do you think that every "petrolhead" should be forced to like them, as SevenR seemed to suggest?

SevenR said:

LOL!!
if you don't like this, you don't like cars.

Agreed

[TooMany2cvs]

WCZ said:

I was referring to this video re:corners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFLkZVQ9S8

OK, furry muff. But it's still a pretty damn smooth and well-surfaced wide bit of road, albeit with some bends in it. And, yes, he may well have been spanking it a bit harder off-camera than on it.

And that's the "cooking" one, not this "built for corners" (+£2m) version.

WCZ said:

Of course if you don't like them you don't like them then that's fine but where do you draw the line with what's egotistical and pointless - £200k, £300k, £400k+?

Point me to a decent proportion of owners that're using them properly, rather than as a wheeled-willy-wave, and that'll be as good an answer as any.

If somebody did track-day one of these, properly, I wonder how big a run-off would be needed if they got it properly wrong...? Sure as st couldn't risk anything else being on-track at the same time...

Having watched a Veyron doing demo-runs at Prescott at the first LVeB, it was utterly underwhelming. It squirted down the straight bits very fast, then slowed right down for the twisties, simply because it pretty much filled the entire width of the track. Wasn't actually that quick, IIRC. Nowhere near as visceral or entertaining to watch as a lot of far slower stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCAwAtQOT4&t=...

[WCZ]

TooMany2cvs said:

WCZ said:

I was referring to this video re:corners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFLkZVQ9S8

OK, furry muff. But it's still a pretty damn smooth and well-surfaced wide bit of road, albeit with some bends in it. And, yes, he may well have been spanking it a bit harder off-camera than on it.

And that's the "cooking" one, not this "built for corners" (+£2m) version.

WCZ said:

Of course if you don't like them you don't like them then that's fine but where do you draw the line with what's egotistical and pointless - £200k, £300k, £400k+?

Point me to a decent proportion of owners that're using them properly, rather than as a wheeled-willy-wave, and that'll be as good an answer as any.

If somebody did track-day one of these, properly, I wonder how big a run-off would be needed if they got it properly wrong...? Sure as st couldn't risk anything else being on-track at the same time...

Having watched a Veyron doing demo-runs at Prescott at the first LVeB, it was utterly underwhelming. It squirted down the straight bits very fast, then slowed right down for the twisties, simply because it pretty much filled the entire width of the track. Wasn't actually that quick, IIRC. Nowhere near as visceral or entertaining to watch as a lot of far slower stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCAwAtQOT4&t=...

It's pretty smooth but it's also been well noted by reviewers at how well they soak up bumps and how they can get the power down on a crap surface. I distinctly remember Chris Harris saying the Veyron SS was the best car in the world at the time.

the difference is bugatti owners are of a different level of wealth than a typical supercar owner and have many different cars, different properties around the world and spread mileage around lots of different vehicles.

I don't think demo runs at prescott is a good way of measuring what the Veyron is about! imo when I went in and saw one for the first time it was shorter and not as wide as expected.

agree that the Divo is poor value for money though, extremely bad in fact considering reportedly the Chiron gran tourismo 1/1 was sold by the factory for less than this, had completely bespoke aero, interior, weighed much less and had 1,650bhp

[RumbleOfThunder]

Absolutely bat st. Love the thing.

[coppice]

If it's the speed that gets you excited there are many , many racing cars - actually most of them -which are infinitely quicker around any circuit with bends in it . Oh , but awesome straight line go you say ? Compared to most , yes- but here's the thing - use the Chiron where you can really nail it , ie a drag strip, and it loses out there too, massively .

I have seen circuit demos by Veyron , 918 and P1 over the years and to say they were underwhelmingis being kind .

If you have £4.5m to burn , and don't feel the need to induce premature ejaculation in phone wielding teens in SW1 , you buy a F488, a preloved Lola F3000 car and a Pro mod dragster , buy a trailer and a pick up to pull it and you can get better, faster kicks and save a good three and a half mill for a rainy day .You cant do 250 mph, true , but then again neither will (m)any Chiron owners And nobody over 14 will think you are a tasteless dick

[LadyCarFinder]

I have a client who is looking to purchase one of these and I am looking for any information to make this happen.