RE: Turbochargers beckon for next-gen 911 GT3
Discussion
jakesmith said:
Hard to care about this when I’ll nwver dream of owning one
Same for Ferrari going turbo
Who cares
Same here in terms of owning one, but if you've ever run a powerful high rev n/a engine like the S85 in the M5 or S65 in the M3 you get what these kinds of engines are about and can appreciate that, as not much comes close for drama, so it will be a pity when they stop making them.Same for Ferrari going turbo
Who cares
The high torque turbo V8 and 6s in the modern M5 and M3 are very effective but I still miss the 3.8 F6 of my 911 and S65 of my M3 in the way they gave their performance regardless of the torque of the turbo motors.
If I had 120k+ to spend then it would be an n/a GT3 not Turbo S.
ManyMotors said:
The author is incorrect. Note the Ferrari 488 is turbocharged in a manner that is difficult to detect. And look at the 488's gains over the 458: 18% more horsepower and 40% more torque, meaning more average horsepower, too. So Porsche will now take that approach and no doubt put their German spin on it. Do it, Stuttgart! We want ooommph!
Almost everyone prefers the 458 driving experience over 488, despite power differential. And then there is the sound...Schmed said:
Yep it happens.
You can only fight the tide of turbocharging for so long.
I recently traded an F6 for an F4T.
It is seriously quick...
Yep, they said the same thing during the 80's.You can only fight the tide of turbocharging for so long.
I recently traded an F6 for an F4T.
It is seriously quick...
I enjoy the 911 Turbo cab. Seriously quick, but somehow feels distant with all those trick layers on top.
Wills2 said:
Same here in terms of owning one, but if you've ever run a powerful high rev n/a engine like the S85 in the M5 or S65 in the M3 you get what these kinds of engines are about and can appreciate that, as not much comes close for drama, so it will be a pity when they stop making them.
The high torque turbo V8 and 6s in the modern M5 and M3 are very effective but I still miss the 3.8 F6 of my 911 and S65 of my M3 in the way they gave their performance regardless of the torque of the turbo motors.
If I had 120k+ to spend then it would be an n/a GT3 not Turbo S.
Yeah I love revvy na engines, got a couple myself. Just can’t get upset about the gt3 going turbo when the cars are rarely seen on track or anywhere for that matter. Although I did see one today as it goes. The high torque turbo V8 and 6s in the modern M5 and M3 are very effective but I still miss the 3.8 F6 of my 911 and S65 of my M3 in the way they gave their performance regardless of the torque of the turbo motors.
If I had 120k+ to spend then it would be an n/a GT3 not Turbo S.
The GT3 is an iconic car whether you hate it, like it or absolutely love it.
I wouldn’t bet against Porsche making a wonderful job of a turbocharged version.
I really do think that as enthusiasts we should remember that some of the most phenomenal road and race cars have been turbocharged. They all have 4 wheels and a steering wheel but they all need driving differently.
I’m hoping that nobody wants the turbo one so that I can get one without having to perform unmentionables on my local dealer but I’m not holding out great hope.
Either way, I shall keep my NA one. Made that particular mistake by selling my 964rs back in the day for £4.50 and still have the T shirt... haha
I wouldn’t bet against Porsche making a wonderful job of a turbocharged version.
I really do think that as enthusiasts we should remember that some of the most phenomenal road and race cars have been turbocharged. They all have 4 wheels and a steering wheel but they all need driving differently.
I’m hoping that nobody wants the turbo one so that I can get one without having to perform unmentionables on my local dealer but I’m not holding out great hope.
Either way, I shall keep my NA one. Made that particular mistake by selling my 964rs back in the day for £4.50 and still have the T shirt... haha
I’m not sure I agree. I think that perhaps it’s a question of appraising the car for what it is. There are fine wines, red and white - but you can’t compare them directly.
On the other hand I suppose I’m just a bit of a car slag. I have no prejudice and just start driving a car the way it wants to be driven and decide afterwards if it gave me a good time or not. The sound it makes is part of it but a huge turbo spitting flames, backfiring and generally abusing me for a few corners lights my fire just as much as a “good girl” NA screamer!
On the other hand I suppose I’m just a bit of a car slag. I have no prejudice and just start driving a car the way it wants to be driven and decide afterwards if it gave me a good time or not. The sound it makes is part of it but a huge turbo spitting flames, backfiring and generally abusing me for a few corners lights my fire just as much as a “good girl” NA screamer!
Turbo, electric, NA, whatever.
As long as the throttle does it’s job and gives you what you ask for quickly, great.
But no turbo driven off exhaust gasses only, ever will, by design.
Only the P1 McLaren does the job properly and I can’t see why others aren’t doing it on top performance cars.
Or even any performance car.
Electric and turbo are the future etc, but that doesn’t mean they have to be crappy lazy cheap implementations.
The issue is manufacturers being cheap, lazy, and unwilling to take even tiny risks.
As long as the throttle does it’s job and gives you what you ask for quickly, great.
But no turbo driven off exhaust gasses only, ever will, by design.
Only the P1 McLaren does the job properly and I can’t see why others aren’t doing it on top performance cars.
Or even any performance car.
Electric and turbo are the future etc, but that doesn’t mean they have to be crappy lazy cheap implementations.
The issue is manufacturers being cheap, lazy, and unwilling to take even tiny risks.
Mr Whippy said:
Turbo, electric, NA, whatever.
As long as the throttle does it’s job and gives you what you ask for quickly, great.
But no turbo driven off exhaust gasses only, ever will, by design.
Only the P1 McLaren does the job properly and I can’t see why others aren’t doing it on top performance cars.
Or even any performance car.
Electric and turbo are the future etc, but that doesn’t mean they have to be crappy lazy cheap implementations.
The issue is manufacturers being cheap, lazy, and unwilling to take even tiny risks.
Weird isn't it that £1 million hypercar is better than a 50k performance car, very strange I wonder why they can't give you the same experience for a 20th of the price? As long as the throttle does it’s job and gives you what you ask for quickly, great.
But no turbo driven off exhaust gasses only, ever will, by design.
Only the P1 McLaren does the job properly and I can’t see why others aren’t doing it on top performance cars.
Or even any performance car.
Electric and turbo are the future etc, but that doesn’t mean they have to be crappy lazy cheap implementations.
The issue is manufacturers being cheap, lazy, and unwilling to take even tiny risks.
gofasterrosssco said:
Could Porsche not develop a lower capacity supercharged engine - it would maintain the majority of the purity of response of the NA engine (vs. a turbocharging), while allowing substantial capacity down-sizing.
It would also maintain the quality of sound. The latest supercharged V6 lotus sound really good IMO, especially considering the mundane engin roots. But I guess if efficiency is the goal, superchargers can't compete with turbos.Interesting debate - for clarity - I’m using references to racing to remind us of Porsche’s reputation for being highly experienced at producing world beating and very fast turbo powered cars both on the track and on the road. Cars which, whilst often flawed, have excited and thrilled is through the years.
A naturally aspirated motor behaves one way, sounds one way - fabulous and I love them. But a great turbo car sounds another way and behaves another way and demands a different driving technique of its driver.
A naturally aspirated motor behaves one way, sounds one way - fabulous and I love them. But a great turbo car sounds another way and behaves another way and demands a different driving technique of its driver.
kambites said:
It'll be interesting to see how they differentiate it from the GT2. Will it simply be a direct hierarchy or will they attempt to maintain a significant difference in character between the two? Or maybe the GT2 will go 4wd?
I'm wondering how long it is until Porsche makes a mid-engined 911. The 911 RSR has won Le Mans, so for the halo 911 it could make some perverse sense to go mid-engined?Julian Thompson said:
Interesting debate - for clarity - I’m using references to racing to remind us of Porsche’s reputation for being highly experienced at producing world beating and very fast turbo powered cars both on the track and on the road. Cars which, whilst often flawed, have excited and thrilled is through the years.
Like this one ? 
https://youtu.be/P29nHru4fvI
glm1977 said:
isnt all this assumption about this being the GT3 based on the fact that the latest spy shots show a car with centre lock wheels and central exhausts... if so, who is to say this isnt the next GTS using the turbo engine of the base 992 rather than the GT3....?
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