RE: Jaguar E-Type Zero: Driven
Discussion
I'm not sure whether to be impressed or horrified by this. Speaking to some friends inside the automotive industry, the mass market is going to go electric over the next few years whether we like it or not and in your average car currently powered by a four-pot petrol or diesel engine, fine, no big deal. Having said that, none of the current EVs, not even Teslas or Jaguar i-Pace really appeal to me, just too bland. BMW i8 looks cool and a full EV version would be perfectly appropriate, as it looks like the car of the future (in a good way).
I'm not opposed to an electric drivetrain in something that looks cool and beautiful then (like an E-Type) but it's an E-Type and the soul of that car is the throaty and sonorous straight six! I appreciate that this is more of a showcase of what can be done though and the engineering and fact that they didn't have to butcher the car too much to achieve this is certainly impressive. Would I be as bothered if they had done this to an F-Type? Well no, I think the F-Type looks great too but unless the running costs were so prohibitive or ICE engines were banned, I would still struggle to pick an EV F-Type over a supercharged V6/V8 one at a similar price because you don't exactly buy an F-Type for the fuel economy/low running costs, you buy it for the looks, noise and drama!
A classic Jag seems like a poor choice for this technology then because Jags are traditionally powerful and their soul is there straight six/V8/V12 engine. I'm not opposed to modernising a classic though. I love all the work that companies like Eagle, Singer and Frontline developments have done on the E-Type/911/MGB and the Jensen Interceptors with the LS engines but maybe there is mileage in this idea in giving classics that aren't so defined by their engines a new lease of life.
Take a cosmetically decent Citroen DS/Beetle/Type 2/Karmann Ghia/MGB/Defender/classic Range Rover/classic Mini but with a knackered powertrain and put in an EV powertrain and you have most of the advantages and reliability of a modern EV with the style and individuality of a classic. Depends how affordable this re-engineering would be I suppose i.e. you're not going to spend 60k to convert a 10k Range Rover Classic!
I'm not opposed to an electric drivetrain in something that looks cool and beautiful then (like an E-Type) but it's an E-Type and the soul of that car is the throaty and sonorous straight six! I appreciate that this is more of a showcase of what can be done though and the engineering and fact that they didn't have to butcher the car too much to achieve this is certainly impressive. Would I be as bothered if they had done this to an F-Type? Well no, I think the F-Type looks great too but unless the running costs were so prohibitive or ICE engines were banned, I would still struggle to pick an EV F-Type over a supercharged V6/V8 one at a similar price because you don't exactly buy an F-Type for the fuel economy/low running costs, you buy it for the looks, noise and drama!
A classic Jag seems like a poor choice for this technology then because Jags are traditionally powerful and their soul is there straight six/V8/V12 engine. I'm not opposed to modernising a classic though. I love all the work that companies like Eagle, Singer and Frontline developments have done on the E-Type/911/MGB and the Jensen Interceptors with the LS engines but maybe there is mileage in this idea in giving classics that aren't so defined by their engines a new lease of life.
Take a cosmetically decent Citroen DS/Beetle/Type 2/Karmann Ghia/MGB/Defender/classic Range Rover/classic Mini but with a knackered powertrain and put in an EV powertrain and you have most of the advantages and reliability of a modern EV with the style and individuality of a classic. Depends how affordable this re-engineering would be I suppose i.e. you're not going to spend 60k to convert a 10k Range Rover Classic!
Edited by white_goodman on Thursday 6th September 18:46
Lordbenny said:
THEY WILL BE BANNED....on public roads at least.
You WILL however, be able to drive them at special ‘track days’ where petrol will be available to let owners drive round in circles showing them of infront of the crowds, a bit like the Goodwood Revival.
Petrolheads are a dying breed even now so don’t even try imagining that there will be special dispensation for rich people to drive round polluting old fossil burners on public roads.
Luckily it won’t happen in my lifetime but it will happen. Remember steam trains?
I rest my case!
Steam trains are not banned. In fact, one of the locomotives in heaviest use on main lines, Tornado, was only built in recent years.You WILL however, be able to drive them at special ‘track days’ where petrol will be available to let owners drive round in circles showing them of infront of the crowds, a bit like the Goodwood Revival.
Petrolheads are a dying breed even now so don’t even try imagining that there will be special dispensation for rich people to drive round polluting old fossil burners on public roads.
Luckily it won’t happen in my lifetime but it will happen. Remember steam trains?
I rest my case!
The battery technology is light years away
Not to mention it’s taken 33 years to think about building another nuclear power station to change all these ev’s We need at least ten!
Imagine 100,000 electric cars coming down the M1 running out of charge all taking 3 or four hours to charge where are all the passengers going to go , sleep on the hard shoulders I suppose oh sorry they’ve gone haven’t they
Oh my god how boring we have become now the the cars will have no characters either
He he
Long live the M156 !
Not to mention it’s taken 33 years to think about building another nuclear power station to change all these ev’s We need at least ten!
Imagine 100,000 electric cars coming down the M1 running out of charge all taking 3 or four hours to charge where are all the passengers going to go , sleep on the hard shoulders I suppose oh sorry they’ve gone haven’t they
Oh my god how boring we have become now the the cars will have no characters either
He he
Long live the M156 !
E-Types have become so valuable they are no longer A to B cars. You don't go places in them, you go out for a drive and return to where you started. So range anxiety isn't a problem.
Even when E-Types were affordable they are a bit small for touring. I took a 2+2 from London to Anglesey with my wife and a baby (he's 22 now) and we had to leave loads of things we wanted to take.
Simon
Even when E-Types were affordable they are a bit small for touring. I took a 2+2 from London to Anglesey with my wife and a baby (he's 22 now) and we had to leave loads of things we wanted to take.
Simon
white_goodman said:
I'm not sure whether to be impressed or horrified by this. Speaking to some friends inside the automotive industry, the mass market is going to go electric over the next few years whether we like it or not and in your average car currently powered by a four-pot petrol or diesel engine, fine, no big deal. Having said that, none of the current EVs, not even Teslas or Jaguar i-Pace really appeal to me, just too bland. BMW i8 looks cool and a full EV version would be perfectly appropriate, as it looks like the car of the future (in a good way).
I'm not opposed to an electric drivetrain in something that looks cool and beautiful then (like an E-Type) but it's an E-Type and the soul of that car is the throaty and sonorous straight six! I appreciate that this is more of a showcase of what can be done though and the engineering and fact that they didn't have to butcher the car too much to achieve this is certainly impressive. Would I be as bothered if they had done this to an F-Type? Well no, I think the F-Type looks great too but unless the running costs were so prohibitive or ICE engines were banned, I would still struggle to pick an EV F-Type over a supercharged V6/V8 one at a similar price because you don't exactly buy an F-Type for the fuel economy/low running costs, you buy it for the looks, noise and drama!
A classic Jag seems like a poor choice for this technology then because Jags are traditionally powerful and their soul is there straight six/V8/V12 engine. I'm not opposed to modernising a classic though. I love all the work that companies like Eagle, Singer and Frontline developments have done on the E-Type/911/MGB and the Jensen Interceptors with the LS engines but maybe there is mileage in this idea in giving classics that aren't so defined by their engines a new lease of life.
Take a cosmetically decent Citroen DS/Beetle/Type 2/Karmann Ghia/MGB/Defender/classic Range Rover/classic Mini but with a knackered powertrain and put in an EV powertrain and you have most of the advantages and reliability of a modern EV with the style and individuality of a classic. Depends how affordable this re-engineering would be I suppose i.e. you're not going to spend 60k to convert a 10k Range Rover Classic!
I've never cared about E-Types of any description until this one - I think it's extremely cool and couldn't care less about any of the ICE versions; I love the idea of relative silence, instant toque and although some don't care for it, accelerating quickly in a straight line will NEVER get old to me! I don't consider machines made by men to have a 'soul' of any description either; people talking about cars like they're living things is just puzzling to me. Jaguar have done a stellar job with the engineering of this car - no major weight penalty whatsoever, the ability to convert it back to an ICE engine if required, impressive performance all-round and clever integration of modern with the old.I'm not opposed to an electric drivetrain in something that looks cool and beautiful then (like an E-Type) but it's an E-Type and the soul of that car is the throaty and sonorous straight six! I appreciate that this is more of a showcase of what can be done though and the engineering and fact that they didn't have to butcher the car too much to achieve this is certainly impressive. Would I be as bothered if they had done this to an F-Type? Well no, I think the F-Type looks great too but unless the running costs were so prohibitive or ICE engines were banned, I would still struggle to pick an EV F-Type over a supercharged V6/V8 one at a similar price because you don't exactly buy an F-Type for the fuel economy/low running costs, you buy it for the looks, noise and drama!
A classic Jag seems like a poor choice for this technology then because Jags are traditionally powerful and their soul is there straight six/V8/V12 engine. I'm not opposed to modernising a classic though. I love all the work that companies like Eagle, Singer and Frontline developments have done on the E-Type/911/MGB and the Jensen Interceptors with the LS engines but maybe there is mileage in this idea in giving classics that aren't so defined by their engines a new lease of life.
Take a cosmetically decent Citroen DS/Beetle/Type 2/Karmann Ghia/MGB/Defender/classic Range Rover/classic Mini but with a knackered powertrain and put in an EV powertrain and you have most of the advantages and reliability of a modern EV with the style and individuality of a classic. Depends how affordable this re-engineering would be I suppose i.e. you're not going to spend 60k to convert a 10k Range Rover Classic!
I don't agree with your point about Jags being 'traditionally' powerful as that tradition won't apply to the current and future generations, much in the same way that the idea of a world without an internet doesn't apply to them either. Electric power is here to stay and our grandchildren will simply never as a generational group appreciate cars in the way we do - yeah, yeah, there will be a few who like ICE-based vehicles but for everyone else, they simply won't care or at the very least, they will see them as curious, noisy things.
I think everybody is missing the point here
All that is going on here is about working out how to get your money
Internal combustion engines will be around
For a while yet there’s to much money at stake
For a start they have to work out a way to how
Not put the Arabs on the poor house
Because of the demise of oil and petrol
And the obvious consequences
They are still working on that...
When range rover are releasing vehicles with a 70 mike range it’s just not realistic
We might as well go back to horse and carts..
They won’t look into vehicles that are self sustaining because that’s free
Interesting point put solar panels instead of
Panoramic roofs Mazda I believe have developed a petrol compression ignition engine
With very low emissions
So there are alternatives but they need to get your money remember
Food for thought???
All that is going on here is about working out how to get your money
Internal combustion engines will be around
For a while yet there’s to much money at stake
For a start they have to work out a way to how
Not put the Arabs on the poor house
Because of the demise of oil and petrol
And the obvious consequences
They are still working on that...
When range rover are releasing vehicles with a 70 mike range it’s just not realistic
We might as well go back to horse and carts..
They won’t look into vehicles that are self sustaining because that’s free
Interesting point put solar panels instead of
Panoramic roofs Mazda I believe have developed a petrol compression ignition engine
With very low emissions
So there are alternatives but they need to get your money remember
Food for thought???
myhandle said:
Steam trains are not banned. In fact, one of the locomotives in heaviest use on main lines, Tornado, was only built in recent years.
Nor are traction engines on the road, or horses for that matter. I can't actually think of an example of a vehicle being banned from the public road which was previously allowed on it? kambites said:
myhandle said:
Steam trains are not banned. In fact, one of the locomotives in heaviest use on main lines, Tornado, was only built in recent years.
Nor are traction engines on the road, or horses for that matter. I can't actually think of an example of a vehicle being banned from the public road which was previously allowed on it? It's just as electric cars get better and more popular people will only buy ICE cars for fun or very specific purposes. Indeed fast charging points will become commonplace and petrol only available from chemists
Eventually range anxiety will be a consideration of the driver of a fossil fuelled car but it won't matter as the people running them will be eccentrics who are prepared to deal with pouring smelly, dangerous fuel in. There may even be folk who long for the clatter of diesels and their sooty, smelly, choking emissions...
k you to IC enthusiastic people.
jussojones said:
The battery technology is light years away
Not to mention it’s taken 33 years to think about building another nuclear power station to change all these ev’s We need at least ten!
!
The ten new nuclear power station thing is just a myth, some nonsense made up by journalists and debunked by the national grid shortly after. Not to mention it’s taken 33 years to think about building another nuclear power station to change all these ev’s We need at least ten!
!
The myth was based on the worst case study the national grid looked at as part of a report they published. In that study it was assumed that all internal combustion engine vehicles including hybrids were banned from sale in 2025 and all cars that were not pure EV were banned from the roads by 2040. The scenario also assumes society is prosperous enough that 85% of people who could charge their cars at peak time, at peak prices, would do so. A very unlikely chain of events. The next step in this journalistic journey was to take the amount of electricity this scenario said we’d be short of during peak times and assume the best way to deal with peak demand would be to build nuclear power stations. Unfortunately nuclear power is among the least suitable form of power generation for the job as it’s not quick to turn on or off. In conclusion we’re very unlikely to need that much extra power and if we did nuclear power wouldn’t be the answer anyway.
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