RE: Jaguar E-Type Zero: Driven
Discussion
Lordbenny said:
It’s the future, embrace it.
In 50+ years its the only way cars like these will be able to be driven on the road (I’m sure there will be specialist classic car track days for people who don’t want to electrify their Ferrari GTO’s or GT40’s and just go round in circles)
If you are a middle aged petrolhead with a classic in your garage that you are intending to pass down to your son/daughter be prepared for them to be plugging it it rather than visiting a petrol station when they finally get the keys to your pride and joy.
Is that before or after governments decide to sell the consumer down the river again? *cough* diesels *cough-cough*. In 50+ years its the only way cars like these will be able to be driven on the road (I’m sure there will be specialist classic car track days for people who don’t want to electrify their Ferrari GTO’s or GT40’s and just go round in circles)
If you are a middle aged petrolhead with a classic in your garage that you are intending to pass down to your son/daughter be prepared for them to be plugging it it rather than visiting a petrol station when they finally get the keys to your pride and joy.
Personally I think this is an absolute travesty. Abusing the companies illustrious history, in a cheap attempt to make EVs cool. I wouldn't have cared if they did this to the F-type, as it's appropriate. But that wouldn't have grabbed as many headlines would it now.
Cynical marketing, that's all it is.
Edited by rb26 on Tuesday 4th September 11:26
Baldchap said:
As the owner of a Tesla Model X, I can tell you that you CAN do 450-500 miles a day, in the UK, with the current charging infrastructure. An 80% charge (over 200 real miles) takes 20 minutes. That's a brew and a wee. Let's be honest, if you aren't having a 20 minute break every 200 miles you probably shouldn't be driving anyway. A full charge is about 270 and it does a real world 240-250 (and it is always in Ludicrous mode, though obviously that only uses more energy if you're flooring it everywhere). And if we're being honest, a single journey over 250 miles has got to be less than 1% of our actual vehicle usage for most drivers; we've charged it about five times anywhere other than at home (but when we have, the Superchargers are excellent).
Honestly, range anxiety is a thing when you first buy, but twelve months on, it really isn't. It's the missus' daily and the car we use when we need to haul stuff round. Electric cars are 100% practical in the real world right now, not a thing for the future.
That's good to know but I did look into a Tesla and planned a journey to Spain (which I do 4 or 5 times a year) on one of the planning websites. Journey took forever with diversions off to charging points and long stops at each. I recognise that part of this is getting better as the network expands but when you get issues like being stuck on a Toulouse ring road for 5 hours because a bunch of French farmers are complaining about working for a living I'm still 'range anxious' ( but do recognise my usage is unusual)Honestly, range anxiety is a thing when you first buy, but twelve months on, it really isn't. It's the missus' daily and the car we use when we need to haul stuff round. Electric cars are 100% practical in the real world right now, not a thing for the future.
bearman68 said:
Can't believe the neg comments so far - they've taken an old car and put an electric motor in it, and pretty successfully from the article. It's hardly 'muddying your heritage' is it? And let's be fair, who wants to drive an original one, except for novelty value?
You do know this is pistonheads don't you.. and yes I have driven originals and they are great!I've burnt my fair share of fossil fuel over the last 33 years, and have owned or had the pleasure of driving some truly magnificent cars. My view is this:
- Sooner or later the fossil fuel will run out...
- ...or pollution will become so bad we need to stop using it
- Electricity generation is evolving to rely less and less on fossil fuels and more on renewable sources (wind / sea etc)
- Other alternative, less polluting fuels are in development (hydrogen / fuel cells etc)
As enthusiasts we appear to be faced with a choice: eventually stop driving interesting cars, or embrace a means by which we can still indulge ourselves within the environmental and political parameters enforced upon us. That could be a Nissan Leaf (a virtuous, honest car if ever there was one), or it could be something like this.
If that's the future, I know where I'd be happiest.
If Jaguar (or anyone else) wants to prove their technology in something whacky - good luck to them. Would I sacrifice an original E-Type to build one? No, absolutely not, unless that became the only way to continue using it.
- Sooner or later the fossil fuel will run out...
- ...or pollution will become so bad we need to stop using it
- Electricity generation is evolving to rely less and less on fossil fuels and more on renewable sources (wind / sea etc)
- Other alternative, less polluting fuels are in development (hydrogen / fuel cells etc)
As enthusiasts we appear to be faced with a choice: eventually stop driving interesting cars, or embrace a means by which we can still indulge ourselves within the environmental and political parameters enforced upon us. That could be a Nissan Leaf (a virtuous, honest car if ever there was one), or it could be something like this.
If that's the future, I know where I'd be happiest.
If Jaguar (or anyone else) wants to prove their technology in something whacky - good luck to them. Would I sacrifice an original E-Type to build one? No, absolutely not, unless that became the only way to continue using it.
Lordbenny said:
It’s the future, embrace it.
In 50+ years its the only way cars like these will be able to be driven on the road (I’m sure there will be specialist classic car track days for people who don’t want to electrify their Ferrari GTO’s or GT40’s and just go round in circles)
If you are a middle aged petrolhead with a classic in your garage that you are intending to pass down to your son/daughter be prepared for them to be plugging it it rather than visiting a petrol station when they finally get the keys to your pride and joy.
That would depend on the preference of the son/daughter. I can see why some people would want to convert to electric but as a proportion of people interested in classic cars I think it's likely they're going to be in the minority. In 50+ years its the only way cars like these will be able to be driven on the road (I’m sure there will be specialist classic car track days for people who don’t want to electrify their Ferrari GTO’s or GT40’s and just go round in circles)
If you are a middle aged petrolhead with a classic in your garage that you are intending to pass down to your son/daughter be prepared for them to be plugging it it rather than visiting a petrol station when they finally get the keys to your pride and joy.
Baldchap said:
A full charge is about 270 and it does a real world 240-250 (and it is always in Ludicrous mode, though obviously that only uses more energy if you're flooring it everywhere). And if we're being honest, a single journey over 250 miles has got to be less than 1% of our actual vehicle usage for most drivers; we've charged it about five times anywhere other than at home (but when we have, the Superchargers are excellent).
Unfortunately for me in Eastbourne, that means a very awkward journey to anywhere more than 250 miles from home (and back) then...
Still some way to go before the infrastructure makes this the preferred transport of choice for all of us.
Well, I'm impressed.
As the owner of a RWD car with a long bonnet I'm intrigued by the concept of an "all in" power-replacement package. Sure this is way too expensive for me, but it won't be long before there's a similar thing available for MGBs & RWD Escorts & that's when I'll take an interest.
I can't be doing with the "sacrilege" argument. I wouldn't advocate electrifying a LeMans winning D-Type, but E-bay is awash with allegedly barn-found e-types, there's no shortage, as long as there's a couple in museums, do what you like with the rest.
I don't see the heritage argument either, if what BMW has done with the Mini hasn't sullied the originals (again, see prices on E-bay) this is not going to detract from the E-type's appeal one jot.
A British classic car that goes when you turn the key though? That really IS radical.
As the owner of a RWD car with a long bonnet I'm intrigued by the concept of an "all in" power-replacement package. Sure this is way too expensive for me, but it won't be long before there's a similar thing available for MGBs & RWD Escorts & that's when I'll take an interest.
I can't be doing with the "sacrilege" argument. I wouldn't advocate electrifying a LeMans winning D-Type, but E-bay is awash with allegedly barn-found e-types, there's no shortage, as long as there's a couple in museums, do what you like with the rest.
I don't see the heritage argument either, if what BMW has done with the Mini hasn't sullied the originals (again, see prices on E-bay) this is not going to detract from the E-type's appeal one jot.
A British classic car that goes when you turn the key though? That really IS radical.
Limpet said:
It's an expensive novelty that doesn't prove anything or move the game on.
This.Jaguar are still plagiarising their heritage as a way of generating publicity - presumably to distract from the fact that their current cars (unfortunately) still fall short of the (mostly German) competition, and are still lagging well behind in the sales statistics.
I think a lot of people (customers and suppliers) would be very happy if they'd stop distracting themselves with white elephants and concentrate on delivering their current programmes on-time and engineered/built as well as possible.
MOOSECORTINA said:
What a waste of a bodyshell. This needs converting to prtrol power.
I can sort of see why some ladder climbing young t
t in Jaguar thought this would be a good idea........But, surely, there was someone higher up the food chain in Jaguar that should have said.......whoa there......here's your P45 sonny, now naff off (to quote Norman Stanley Fletcher)
I almost agree with all of the negative comments here. Not sure who the woman is in the all in one.
I just don't see the point. Probably great if it was offered as a power pack alternative but seems like too much trouble for that.
Luckily, E types are common enough so nothing lost in hacking a few up but to what end?
I just don't see the point. Probably great if it was offered as a power pack alternative but seems like too much trouble for that.
Luckily, E types are common enough so nothing lost in hacking a few up but to what end?
cookie1600 said:
Baldchap said:
A full charge is about 270 and it does a real world 240-250 (and it is always in Ludicrous mode, though obviously that only uses more energy if you're flooring it everywhere). And if we're being honest, a single journey over 250 miles has got to be less than 1% of our actual vehicle usage for most drivers; we've charged it about five times anywhere other than at home (but when we have, the Superchargers are excellent).
Unfortunately for me in Eastbourne, that means a very awkward journey to anywhere more than 250 miles from home (and back) then...Still some way to go before the infrastructure makes this the preferred transport of choice for all of us.
Limpet said:
I'd have been far more excited by a sub £30k 5 seater that does 300 miles on a charge and recharges at 10 miles per minute. So excited, I'd have probably placed an order.
+1better still, give me a type specific kit for 15k so that I can replace the ICE bits and bobs in my existing car with an electric drivetrain
I find it curious that when Jaguar decide to showcase advanced technology, they choose to dig up a 60 year old model rather than showcase one of thier current models (like the F-Type). Is this an admission that when it comes down to it, Jaguar is still relying on it's past rather than being proud and confident of it's current cars?
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