RE: Jaguar E-Type Zero: Driven
Discussion
Pistom said:
I almost agree with all of the negative comments here. Not sure who the woman is in the all in one.
I just don't see the point. Probably great if it was offered as a power pack alternative but seems like too much trouble for that.
Luckily, E types are common enough so nothing lost in hacking a few up but to what end?
Shania TwainI just don't see the point. Probably great if it was offered as a power pack alternative but seems like too much trouble for that.
Luckily, E types are common enough so nothing lost in hacking a few up but to what end?
From a marketing point of view it’s a brilliant way of showing what they can do with e- power.
I drove an original series 1 e-type convertible last year and while it was great to get to drive such an iconic car the thing that stood out most to me was how vulnerable you’d be in even a small impact.
I was thinking about how times have changed and how easily In an old thing like this your head could be meeting the metal windscreen surround or steering wheel.
In today’s health and safety gone mad times I’m surprised a brand like Jaguar would be offering these again - but I’m glad they do, clever engineering on show.
I drove an original series 1 e-type convertible last year and while it was great to get to drive such an iconic car the thing that stood out most to me was how vulnerable you’d be in even a small impact.
I was thinking about how times have changed and how easily In an old thing like this your head could be meeting the metal windscreen surround or steering wheel.
In today’s health and safety gone mad times I’m surprised a brand like Jaguar would be offering these again - but I’m glad they do, clever engineering on show.
JMF894 said:
Pistom said:
I almost agree with all of the negative comments here. Not sure who the woman is in the all in one.
I just don't see the point. Probably great if it was offered as a power pack alternative but seems like too much trouble for that.
Luckily, E types are common enough so nothing lost in hacking a few up but to what end?
Shania TwainI just don't see the point. Probably great if it was offered as a power pack alternative but seems like too much trouble for that.
Luckily, E types are common enough so nothing lost in hacking a few up but to what end?
Turbobanana said:
I've burnt my fair share of fossil fuel over the last 33 years, and have owned or had the pleasure of driving some truly magnificent cars. My view is this:
- Sooner or later the fossil fuel will run out...
- ...or pollution will become so bad we need to stop using it
- Electricity generation is evolving to rely less and less on fossil fuels and more on renewable sources (wind / sea etc)
- Other alternative, less polluting fuels are in development (hydrogen / fuel cells etc)
As enthusiasts we appear to be faced with a choice: eventually stop driving interesting cars, or embrace a means by which we can still indulge ourselves within the environmental and political parameters enforced upon us. That could be a Nissan Leaf (a virtuous, honest car if ever there was one), or it could be something like this.
If that's the future, I know where I'd be happiest.
In 30 years you probably won't be able to drive that thing anyway. Too heavy for only 2 seats ,no abs, no airbag, very poor structural strength and overall safety. It probably will be forbidden the way things go.- Sooner or later the fossil fuel will run out...
- ...or pollution will become so bad we need to stop using it
- Electricity generation is evolving to rely less and less on fossil fuels and more on renewable sources (wind / sea etc)
- Other alternative, less polluting fuels are in development (hydrogen / fuel cells etc)
As enthusiasts we appear to be faced with a choice: eventually stop driving interesting cars, or embrace a means by which we can still indulge ourselves within the environmental and political parameters enforced upon us. That could be a Nissan Leaf (a virtuous, honest car if ever there was one), or it could be something like this.
If that's the future, I know where I'd be happiest.
Without them finding a viable alternative the march towards EV is inevitable.
Unfortunately it isn't going to happen anything like as quickly as many are hoping for .
The range , charging times and most importantly the infrastructure of power supply is going to restrict the changes.
As for these E types , they will pass even more into the hands of the trendy wealthy fashionistas . I can't see the talented but poor home restorer going down the electric route.
Unfortunately it isn't going to happen anything like as quickly as many are hoping for .
The range , charging times and most importantly the infrastructure of power supply is going to restrict the changes.
As for these E types , they will pass even more into the hands of the trendy wealthy fashionistas . I can't see the talented but poor home restorer going down the electric route.
Jaguar has performed a great stunt: a very polarizing (pun intended) car!
There is no such thing as bad publicity. It will get everyone talking about Jag as an electric car company.
When it comes to the 'e' e-type itself, i would certainly like to have a go in one and then decide if i like it or not!
I am sure that it will be fun.
There is no such thing as bad publicity. It will get everyone talking about Jag as an electric car company.
When it comes to the 'e' e-type itself, i would certainly like to have a go in one and then decide if i like it or not!
I am sure that it will be fun.
pardonmyenglish said:
Turbobanana said:
I've burnt my fair share of fossil fuel over the last 33 years, and have owned or had the pleasure of driving some truly magnificent cars. My view is this:
- Sooner or later the fossil fuel will run out...
- ...or pollution will become so bad we need to stop using it
- Electricity generation is evolving to rely less and less on fossil fuels and more on renewable sources (wind / sea etc)
- Other alternative, less polluting fuels are in development (hydrogen / fuel cells etc)
As enthusiasts we appear to be faced with a choice: eventually stop driving interesting cars, or embrace a means by which we can still indulge ourselves within the environmental and political parameters enforced upon us. That could be a Nissan Leaf (a virtuous, honest car if ever there was one), or it could be something like this.
If that's the future, I know where I'd be happiest.
In 30 years you probably won't be able to drive that thing anyway. Too heavy for only 2 seats ,no abs, no airbag, very poor structural strength and overall safety. It probably will be forbidden the way things go.- Sooner or later the fossil fuel will run out...
- ...or pollution will become so bad we need to stop using it
- Electricity generation is evolving to rely less and less on fossil fuels and more on renewable sources (wind / sea etc)
- Other alternative, less polluting fuels are in development (hydrogen / fuel cells etc)
As enthusiasts we appear to be faced with a choice: eventually stop driving interesting cars, or embrace a means by which we can still indulge ourselves within the environmental and political parameters enforced upon us. That could be a Nissan Leaf (a virtuous, honest car if ever there was one), or it could be something like this.
If that's the future, I know where I'd be happiest.
Would the same negative comments appear if BMW built an E30 M3 EV? (Pas pour vous, pardonmyenglish, pour tout le monde)
We've done 17,000 miles in our i3 now and at the end of the month i am giving up my S3 for a Tesla. We are EV converts in a big way.
I say that so you'll understand my point of view better.
I like the car, as a concept.
- it is a lovely looking car, something special to look at
- It is new and will be reliable (vs the original)
- you won't have to pay out for fuel (yes i know you pay for electricity but 9p kWh doesn't equate to 7mpg does it?)
- It is an engineering masterpiece
- EV is more the future than the ICE, NEITHER ARE PERFECT!
Clearly at £300k this wont appeal to the masses but, imo, if they are using this as a 'see what we can do' show piece they needed to give it an edge which it doesn't have.
you need to either;
Give it a serious turn of speed. Tesla understood that. BMW are starting to realise it and Nissan... well.. they're too busy micromanaging the robots...
Give it a good range. Tesla understood that. BMW are starting to realise and Nissan... um... see above?
When you say to the masses you drive an EV you are CONSTANTLY met with a plethora of confusion and ill informed folk tales, along with dailymail headlines saying illegal-immigrants make the batteries which will ignite on any thing other than an overcast day.
i love nothing better than having modified hot hatch owners pointing and sniggering at the i3 and its stupidly skinny wheels and high seating position only to see them get spanked off the line.
Had a guy in a heavily modified (stage 3 280bhp as it turned out) Mk4 Golf screech up to me at a set of lights the other day and commented 'They're f
king fast them aint they, i had no idea, i had to properly boot it and i didn't seem to be gaining...'
So when someone takes the piss for you spending £300,000 on an EV it would be nice to leave them in the dust to give them something to think about.
well done Jag though
I say that so you'll understand my point of view better.
I like the car, as a concept.
- it is a lovely looking car, something special to look at
- It is new and will be reliable (vs the original)
- you won't have to pay out for fuel (yes i know you pay for electricity but 9p kWh doesn't equate to 7mpg does it?)
- It is an engineering masterpiece
- EV is more the future than the ICE, NEITHER ARE PERFECT!
Clearly at £300k this wont appeal to the masses but, imo, if they are using this as a 'see what we can do' show piece they needed to give it an edge which it doesn't have.
you need to either;
Give it a serious turn of speed. Tesla understood that. BMW are starting to realise it and Nissan... well.. they're too busy micromanaging the robots...
Give it a good range. Tesla understood that. BMW are starting to realise and Nissan... um... see above?
When you say to the masses you drive an EV you are CONSTANTLY met with a plethora of confusion and ill informed folk tales, along with dailymail headlines saying illegal-immigrants make the batteries which will ignite on any thing other than an overcast day.
i love nothing better than having modified hot hatch owners pointing and sniggering at the i3 and its stupidly skinny wheels and high seating position only to see them get spanked off the line.
Had a guy in a heavily modified (stage 3 280bhp as it turned out) Mk4 Golf screech up to me at a set of lights the other day and commented 'They're f
king fast them aint they, i had no idea, i had to properly boot it and i didn't seem to be gaining...'So when someone takes the piss for you spending £300,000 on an EV it would be nice to leave them in the dust to give them something to think about.
well done Jag though
Hurricane52 said:
If it could get from Coventry to Geneva in an overnight dash, without having to stop for five hours at a time, there’d be a much longer queue.
To pick up on the above, i couldn't agree more. Although, and i say this with a wry smile, there WILL be a much longer queue. The queue is the one for cars waiting to use the charger near Dover / Folkestone or Calais.Whereas all us fossil fuel users can pop in to any filling station, throw a few gallons (sorry, litres!) in and be off within a couple of minutes, the EV driver will potentially have to wait for someone else to finish topping up with electrickity and then spend 40+ mins doing the same themselves.
The issue is that if you run out of petrol or diesel then its not too difficult (bloody annoying, mind) to get to a filling station and back with some more juice. I cant quite get my head around being able to nip to the local Esso station, grab a bucket full of volts, and then throw it into my electric E-Type before proceeding in serene silence.....
yes, I agree, if Jaguar are going to showcase what their men in white coats have been working on, then theres little better than an E-type. But to chop one about to make one of these, and at great cost to the buyer? Hmmn, not convinced. If they are trumpeting sustainability, why chop up onepresumably good car to make...another good car. Not exactly 'green', is it?
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
.....
But this isn't a 'classic car' in the same way a photograph of the Mona Lisa isn't a real da Vinci. .....
Who knows what will be driving cars in 30+ years time, but it won't be electricity only IMHO.
Gus265 said:
My biggest problem with this is use of the words "...plus donor car..."
So we are now chopping up Series 1 E-types to turn them into electric ones? I can't believe for a second that this is easily reversible.
Jaguar are now being run by the anti-Christ! Stop this nonsense!
So we are now chopping up Series 1 E-types to turn them into electric ones? I can't believe for a second that this is easily reversible.
Jaguar are now being run by the anti-Christ! Stop this nonsense!
I reckon there's little to no "chopping up" going on
and if this conversion means that a greater number of ragged or non-road-worthy examples of the Series 1 are restored, then why not
this e-E-Type is not for me, but I do understand why it's being done -- and I trust Jaguar, above all, to do it in the "best" possible way
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
Will people be allowed to ride horses on the streets in 30 years ?Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
They leave lots of s
t everywhere too
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
Surely by then 99.9% of the population will be driving electric vehicles and the emissions caused by the 0.1% of classic vehicles would be insignificant. As a classic car enthusiast that's what helps me sleep at night Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
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