RE: Jaguar E-Type Zero: Driven
Discussion
Mackofthejungle said:
f
king awful. Get the PHEV tech into Fiestas and Golfs, make the batteries suitcase sized so we can carry them in and charge them in Europe where we don't have driveways, and leave it there.
This is just a joke. Worldwide E-Type emissions really a big problem eh? "I really want an E-Type, but I'm not into old cars or engines.." - see in the past, sensible people would've responded with "well clearly you don't want an E-Type".
I am not opining on the merits of electrics vs ICE at the moment.king awful. Get the PHEV tech into Fiestas and Golfs, make the batteries suitcase sized so we can carry them in and charge them in Europe where we don't have driveways, and leave it there. This is just a joke. Worldwide E-Type emissions really a big problem eh? "I really want an E-Type, but I'm not into old cars or engines.." - see in the past, sensible people would've responded with "well clearly you don't want an E-Type".
However, this post perfectly typifies lazy Pistonheads thinking.
We just assume people all think like petrol heads.
A metric f
ktonne of people would want an e type for the style and kudos and don't care about engines or playing with old cars. They just want the look. Iconic cars are fashionable as the rich and vapid thinks it makes them interesting. The inability of people to get this simple fact on board baffles me no end.
Vocal Minority said:
I am not opining on the merits of electrics vs ICE at the moment.
However, this post perfectly typifies lazy Pistonheads thinking.
We just assume people all think like petrol heads.
A metric fktonne of people would want an e type for the style and kudos and don't care about engines or playing with old cars. They just want the look. Iconic cars are fashionable as the rich and vapid thinks it makes them interesting.
The inability of people to get this simple fact on board baffles me no end.
a corollary to your statements is that, in a way, this electric E-Type has been engineered for nobodyHowever, this post perfectly typifies lazy Pistonheads thinking.
We just assume people all think like petrol heads.
A metric f
ktonne of people would want an e type for the style and kudos and don't care about engines or playing with old cars. They just want the look. Iconic cars are fashionable as the rich and vapid thinks it makes them interesting. The inability of people to get this simple fact on board baffles me no end.
that is to say:
simply by having gone through all of the effort to engineer this particular car, Jaguar is now showcasing to the world both its enviable heritage and its command over the leading edge of contemporary powertrains
few, if any, other brands could bring to life so dramatically the promise of tomorrow
the result is perfect for media outlets that are hungry for interesting content, and it's ripe for social media as well; great for word-of-mouth
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
You're either trolling or completely ignorant.Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
People can still ride horses if they want to, even though - as somebody else so eloquently put - they leave sh!t everywhere.
People can stil run steam engines, even though they produce incredible amounts of smoke, CO2 and fine particles. Hell, even new ones are made and operated again and nobody is complaining.
tr3a said:
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
You're either trolling or completely ignorant.Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
People can still ride horses if they want to, even though - as somebody else so eloquently put - they leave sh!t everywhere.
People can stil run steam engines, even though they produce incredible amounts of smoke, CO2 and fine particles. Hell, even new ones are made and operated again and nobody is complaining.
In all likelihood, Teslas and most other things will eventually be mostly nuclear-powered instead of running on fossil as they now do and the dependency on old-fashioned oil will begin to dwindle. Especially after the world population peaks at around 2050 at current estimates.
There'll be plenty of the smelly stuff for the old fogeys with their infernal combustion-engined curiosities.
tr3a said:
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
You're either trolling or completely ignorant.Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
People can still ride horses if they want to, even though - as somebody else so eloquently put - they leave sh!t everywhere.
People can stil run steam engines, even though they produce incredible amounts of smoke, CO2 and fine particles. Hell, even new ones are made and operated again and nobody is complaining.
There has always been plenty of latitude towards historical transportation because it is enjoyed by a large number of people, whether they be the owner/operators or wider public.
The only comments I get from people regarding my 45 year old Alfa are complimentary, not whingeing about its fuel consumption or emissions - views can change over time of course, but one would hope that sentiment will count for something in respect of future legislation.
Regarding the actual availability of fossil fuels, it's clearly a diminishing resource albeit what's reportedly left seems to vary hugely depending on who you listen to. Whether we'll eventually use biofuels or a.n.other yet to be developed substitute I don't know, but I find it very hard to believe that classic vehicles will be culled en masse unless they're retrofitted as EVs
Nanook said:
rtz62 said:
Sorry, when i see this E-Type, i cant help but think how 'id feel if i went out with this;
and then found out, when she slips off her outer garments, that she looks like this;
Have you ever seen an engine before?and then found out, when she slips off her outer garments, that she looks like this;
What do you think looks more like your terminator, an internal combustion engine, or a battery?
Fury1630 said:
Well, I'm impressed.
As the owner of a RWD car with a long bonnet I'm intrigued by the concept of an "all in" power-replacement package. Sure this is way too expensive for me, but it won't be long before there's a similar thing available for MGBs & RWD Escorts & that's when I'll take an interest.
I can't be doing with the "sacrilege" argument. I wouldn't advocate electrifying a LeMans winning D-Type, but E-bay is awash with allegedly barn-found e-types, there's no shortage, as long as there's a couple in museums, do what you like with the rest.
I don't see the heritage argument either, if what BMW has done with the Mini hasn't sullied the originals (again, see prices on E-bay) this is not going to detract from the E-type's appeal one jot.
A British classic car that goes when you turn the key though? That really IS radical.
They have produced an electric drive system that is roughly the power, size and 30kg lighter than the ICE it replaces. OK, the range is 125 to 170 in this version but it's still rather good progress. It also indicates electric cars are going to get lighter with more versatile layouts.As the owner of a RWD car with a long bonnet I'm intrigued by the concept of an "all in" power-replacement package. Sure this is way too expensive for me, but it won't be long before there's a similar thing available for MGBs & RWD Escorts & that's when I'll take an interest.
I can't be doing with the "sacrilege" argument. I wouldn't advocate electrifying a LeMans winning D-Type, but E-bay is awash with allegedly barn-found e-types, there's no shortage, as long as there's a couple in museums, do what you like with the rest.
I don't see the heritage argument either, if what BMW has done with the Mini hasn't sullied the originals (again, see prices on E-bay) this is not going to detract from the E-type's appeal one jot.
A British classic car that goes when you turn the key though? That really IS radical.
I can imagine this would work really well in a Daimler DS420 for the Queen or a Rover P5 for the PM...
I wonder if a variant of this system is likely to appear in a budget electric car? A Rover perhaps? Or more probably a Tata?
Absolutely stunning!! Love the color. My neighbor has one in his garage right now in British Racing Green. He has been "working on it" since i moved in next door 17 years ago lol
I often say that I wish more manufacturers would remake older cars with updated power plants obviously. And this Jaguar is for sure one of those cars that deserve to be "remade".
Any one else notice however that it appears they spelled Jaguar with a 'C' - jaCuar on the car or is it my imagination?
Love everything about it EXCEPT tbat it is an automatic. It is blasphemy IMHO and simply just doesnt look right AT ALL... Agree???
I love the switches, too. Very vintage in a new age kind of way. As far as I am concerned, they friggen NAILED IT!!!
I often say that I wish more manufacturers would remake older cars with updated power plants obviously. And this Jaguar is for sure one of those cars that deserve to be "remade".
Any one else notice however that it appears they spelled Jaguar with a 'C' - jaCuar on the car or is it my imagination?
Love everything about it EXCEPT tbat it is an automatic. It is blasphemy IMHO and simply just doesnt look right AT ALL... Agree???
I love the switches, too. Very vintage in a new age kind of way. As far as I am concerned, they friggen NAILED IT!!!
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
So NOT true. Even if in 50 years time all cars are electric, vintage cars are vintage cars and there will most definitely be a huge vintage motor tax or something to drive them on tne road. Most 20 year old petrolheads need to understand that they won’t have the opportunity to drive a ‘classic’ on the road when they’re 50 unless it’s got an electric motor.
Jaguar are just preparing us for this...get over it!
ESOG said:
So NOT true. Even if in 50 years time all cars are electric, vintage cars are vintage cars and there will most definitely be a huge vintage motor tax or something to drive them on tne road.
THEY WILL BE BANNED....on public roads at least.You WILL however, be able to drive them at special ‘track days’ where petrol will be available to let owners drive round in circles showing them of infront of the crowds, a bit like the Goodwood Revival.
Petrolheads are a dying breed even now so don’t even try imagining that there will be special dispensation for rich people to drive round polluting old fossil burners on public roads.
Luckily it won’t happen in my lifetime but it will happen. Remember steam trains?
I rest my case!
The really interesting thing in this whole exercise is the concept of a drop-in power pack for legacy powertrains, where the battery and inverter is about the size and shape of the original engine and the motor and transmission about the size of the original gearbox.
I seriously hope someone's working on product-ising this idea. Though not necessarily for Jags: there must be quite a few powertrains which were made in large enough numbers that you'd only need a tiny fraction of owners to think "that'd be good for a laugh" or 'that might actually make my car into a practical daily" for you to have a commercial product if the price was halfway reasonable. Its not like restomodding is exactly cheap even if you stick with IC: people who do it can afford to indulge in silly ideas. The smallblock Chev leaps to mind for starters - there're millions of them still around and they didn't all go into cars where the V8 sound was the whole point.
Plus there's quite a few classic cars where the engine really isn't the selling feature, and electrification would be a genuinely sensible restomod option. An electric drivetrain would suit a Citroen DS perfectly, for example, and if it was easy to drop one in (and take it out again), I expect plenty of people would.
I seriously hope someone's working on product-ising this idea. Though not necessarily for Jags: there must be quite a few powertrains which were made in large enough numbers that you'd only need a tiny fraction of owners to think "that'd be good for a laugh" or 'that might actually make my car into a practical daily" for you to have a commercial product if the price was halfway reasonable. Its not like restomodding is exactly cheap even if you stick with IC: people who do it can afford to indulge in silly ideas. The smallblock Chev leaps to mind for starters - there're millions of them still around and they didn't all go into cars where the V8 sound was the whole point.
Plus there's quite a few classic cars where the engine really isn't the selling feature, and electrification would be a genuinely sensible restomod option. An electric drivetrain would suit a Citroen DS perfectly, for example, and if it was easy to drop one in (and take it out again), I expect plenty of people would.
Macboy said:
I can't help feeling Jaguar and Jaguar's SVO team are only one step away from Monkey Tennis - there appears to be nothing they won't do for publicity or to make a few quid regardless of how crass it is or how divergent from whatever their core brand direction is. They seem to be relying upon these "firework" projects to demonstrate relevance, heritage or competitiveness when the core offering isn't all that well received or class-leading (I drive an XE for the first time recently and was shocked at how out of date the interior felt). I am definitely in the "it's the kind of crass attempt at relevance that is best left to Aston Martin" camp on the E-E-type. They've been watching too much sci-fi (a dreadful Justin Timberlake movie appears to have been the original inspiration). Just no. Put some effort into the core business and stop this futuristic- heritage nonsense.
Yeah, because the 'core business' Jaguars just aren't selling 
Lordbenny said:
THEY WILL BE BANNED....on public roads at least.
You WILL however, be able to drive them at special ‘track days’ where petrol will be available to let owners drive round in circles showing them of infront of the crowds, a bit like the Goodwood Revival.
Petrolheads are a dying breed even now so don’t even try imagining that there will be special dispensation for rich people to drive round polluting old fossil burners on public roads.
Luckily it won’t happen in my lifetime but it will happen. Remember steam trains?
I rest my case!
Steam trains aren't banned are they? The world just moved on when a better method of propulsion came along. You WILL however, be able to drive them at special ‘track days’ where petrol will be available to let owners drive round in circles showing them of infront of the crowds, a bit like the Goodwood Revival.
Petrolheads are a dying breed even now so don’t even try imagining that there will be special dispensation for rich people to drive round polluting old fossil burners on public roads.
Luckily it won’t happen in my lifetime but it will happen. Remember steam trains?
I rest my case!
The same will happen with EV I think and when most people are buying them what will be the point of banning something that makes up a small percentage of vehicles and an even smaller percentage of trips/miles.
Plug Life said:
Citroën should make electric DS19s.
Now that would make a brilliant EV.There are kits out there already to do this sort of stuff - http://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=40&a...
for example. I'd love to convert an original Beetle or really DIY it with Leaf bits - including the heater.
IMHO the E Type isn't really the right pick from Jag's back catalogue but it's been done for publicity and to show what's possible, rather than what's the best fit for electrification - a wood and leather filled BRG Mark 10 on a Tesla chassis could be an absolute work of genius.
An E type is an icon, the smell, the noise, the feel - and anything that takes any of that away is maybe not a great idea. But I'm sure the George Clooneys of this world will be queuing around the block.
We have a Leaf, shortly to be replaced with a Kia EV, and I would kill for a Tesla.
Brilliant appliances, perfect for anybody needing commuter cars... but they are missing a big chunk of soul (not Soul).
It's a sign of the times for petrolheads - buy now before it's too late. I'm currently carbon offsetting our Leaf with a 5.5 litre Merc, a 4 litre TVR and a 4.5 litre Landcruiser
ESOG said:
Absolutely stunning!! Love the color. My neighbor has one in his garage right now in British Racing Green. He has been "working on it" since i moved in next door 17 years ago lol
I often say that I wish more manufacturers would remake older cars with updated power plants obviously. And this Jaguar is for sure one of those cars that deserve to be "remade".
Any one else notice however that it appears they spelled Jaguar with a 'C' - jaCuar on the car or is it my imagination?
Love everything about it EXCEPT tbat it is an automatic. It is blasphemy IMHO and simply just doesnt look right AT ALL... Agree???
I love the switches, too. Very vintage in a new age kind of way. As far as I am concerned, they friggen NAILED IT!!!
The issue is getting a manual gearbox to work with an electric motor......;)I often say that I wish more manufacturers would remake older cars with updated power plants obviously. And this Jaguar is for sure one of those cars that deserve to be "remade".
Any one else notice however that it appears they spelled Jaguar with a 'C' - jaCuar on the car or is it my imagination?
Love everything about it EXCEPT tbat it is an automatic. It is blasphemy IMHO and simply just doesnt look right AT ALL... Agree???
I love the switches, too. Very vintage in a new age kind of way. As far as I am concerned, they friggen NAILED IT!!!
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