RE: Jaguar E-Type Zero: Driven
Discussion
Nanook said:
rtz62 said:
Despite your 33,000-odd posts, you completely missed the humour, and the thinking behind that, didn’t you?
Sorry, it's just, jokes are normally funny.Back to the topic, I asked several of my friends to read this article and not one thought that they would buy it even if they had the funds. To be fair most of them are classic car buffs which perhaps taints their views...
I think this is one of 'those' ideas that should've stayed on the drawing board, personally. Where do you stop?
'That Avro Lancaster is awfully loud, let's whip out the merlins and stick some electrical motors in it instead!'
EVs hold no appeal for me in general (old-school petrolhead here), a bastardised E-type even less so...
'That Avro Lancaster is awfully loud, let's whip out the merlins and stick some electrical motors in it instead!'
EVs hold no appeal for me in general (old-school petrolhead here), a bastardised E-type even less so...
The one prince harry drove away in was pretty universally well received, so i think the people moaning are here are probably in the minority in the real world.
it would be interesting to know actually how reversible it is. i think this is really cool though, and like a few have pointed out, there are enough of these sat around for a small number of very niche products to be made.
Then again, some people moan about Singer modifying old Porsches so there's no pleasing everyone.
it would be interesting to know actually how reversible it is. i think this is really cool though, and like a few have pointed out, there are enough of these sat around for a small number of very niche products to be made.
Then again, some people moan about Singer modifying old Porsches so there's no pleasing everyone.
Lordbenny said:
People...wake in and smell the Java...the only way you will be able to drive a classic car in 30+ years time is if it has been converted to electricity....FUll STOP!
CAPITAL LETTER There has never been any retrospective legislation with safety or environmental improvements in the past, no requirement to fit ABS, catalytic converters, seat belts or even brakes on every wheel FULL STOP. CAPITAL LETTER Why are you so confident that this change in legislation will be applied retrospectively to classic cars when there is no history of this ever happening before QUESTION MARK?Not for me i'm afraid. The interior has acquired far too much minimalist blandness where as though not perfect, the original Series 1 interior would be a great basis to add a little more leather and quality switchgear.
However the big issue for me is character... Sportscars (and performance cars in general) have always been more than just the figures. The visceral experience of an engine. The sound of a BMW straight-6, the sheer drama of a Lamborghini V12, the bonkers noise and countless other expressions of various TVR engines (I've owned one or two of those)..
This has the appearance of a classic but the underpinnings of a soulless powertrain. I guess if you're all about the destination and looking good in the process, you'll be happy. But if you actually enjoy the mechanical feel and physical work of a combustion engine & manual gearbox, you'll be disappointed. I'm in the latter..
However the big issue for me is character... Sportscars (and performance cars in general) have always been more than just the figures. The visceral experience of an engine. The sound of a BMW straight-6, the sheer drama of a Lamborghini V12, the bonkers noise and countless other expressions of various TVR engines (I've owned one or two of those)..
This has the appearance of a classic but the underpinnings of a soulless powertrain. I guess if you're all about the destination and looking good in the process, you'll be happy. But if you actually enjoy the mechanical feel and physical work of a combustion engine & manual gearbox, you'll be disappointed. I'm in the latter..
donteatpeople said:
CAPITAL LETTER There has never been any retrospective legislation with safety or environmental improvements in the past, no requirement to fit ABS, catalytic converters, seat belts or even brakes on every wheel FULL STOP. CAPITAL LETTER Why are you so confident that this change in legislation will be applied retrospectively to classic cars when there is no history of this ever happening before QUESTION MARK?
Haha...I suppose I deserve that! 
Firstly, like steam, fossil fuel will not be cost effective to make especially as the majority of people will be driving EV. Who’s going to bother making this fuel? There are already roads in Islington that are hybrid and electric only...it’s just a matter of time before all roads are EV only.
As I said before, there will be opportunity’s to drive internal combustion engined classics but on closed roads and tracks where drivers can show off and drive their petrol cars and specialist companies can supply fuel on the day at an extortionate price I’d imagine. Just like the Bluebell Railway and other volunteer lead steam railways around the country. Kids will get joy rides in petrol cars and their fathers will relive the days when smokey, noisey, smelly cars wizzed around and wish their soulless, silent rides were as much fun EXCLAMATION MARK!
Lordbenny said:
Firstly, like steam, fossil fuel will not be cost effective to make especially as the majority of people will be driving EV. Who’s going to bother making this fuel?
There will be plenty of people elsewhere in the world where the charging infrastructure for EVs won't make sense so ICEs will remain dominant for potentially 100 years.In addition, the classic car scene, as I've said repeatedly, is populated by a LOT of very rich and influential people who won't want to see their favourite hobby ostracised and marginalised as you suggest.
...both of which mean that the cracking and distribution infrastructure for petrol / diesel will remain in place for a long time too.
Lordbenny said:
There are already roads in Islington that are hybrid and electric only...it’s just a matter of time before all roads are EV only.
Sorry, but that's hyperbole and inference-from-non-representative sample.Islington is (a) very rich, posh and show-offy; and (b) highly parking-restricted. So an opportunity to show how 'on message' they are was taken. That's all it is.
I suspect there will be more inner-city roads which go the same way, but anywhere rural won't. Just won't. For a very long time. Pick any of the following reasons:-
- Lack of EV infrastructure
- Lack of desire, due to either small-c conservatism, or a desire NOT to be beholden to the electricity network in the event of any sort of natural disaster or governmental 'issue', or a preference for classic cars, or a preference for running cars which won't self-obsolete within 10 years.
And then there's the sink-estates, who won't be able to afford to run EVs for decades yet, and where home-charging infrastructure can't or won't be installed - landlord dissent, LEA refusal to maintain, risk of vandalism, risk of someone else using 'your' electricity - you name it, any/all of the petty issues that dominate these areas written onto the EV.
I get what you're saying, but I think you're out with your timeframe. 100 years maybe, but certainly not 30...
Its technically clever I suppose but the tech is in totally the wrong car. who on earth would want to swap that glorious engine for an electric drivetrain?! electric commuters and family cars can make sense of course. I personally think that electric lorries would/will be a good thing too; certainly far more so than that poor E Type.
havoc said:
Sorry, but that's hyperbole and inference-from-non-representative sample.
Islington is (a) very rich, posh and show-offy; and (b) highly parking-restricted. So an opportunity to show how 'on message' they are was taken. That's all it is.
I suspect there will be more inner-city roads which go the same way, but anywhere rural won't. Just won't. For a very long time. Pick any of the following reasons:-
- Lack of EV infrastructure
- Lack of desire, due to either small-c conservatism, or a desire NOT to be beholden to the electricity network in the event of any sort of natural disaster or governmental 'issue', or a preference for classic cars, or a preference for running cars which won't self-obsolete within 10 years.
And then there's the sink-estates, who won't be able to afford to run EVs for decades yet, and where home-charging infrastructure can't or won't be installed - landlord dissent, LEA refusal to maintain, risk of vandalism, risk of someone else using 'your' electricity - you name it, any/all of the petty issues that dominate these areas written onto the EV.
I get what you're saying, but I think you're out with your timeframe. 100 years maybe, but certainly not 30...
100 years Islington is (a) very rich, posh and show-offy; and (b) highly parking-restricted. So an opportunity to show how 'on message' they are was taken. That's all it is.
I suspect there will be more inner-city roads which go the same way, but anywhere rural won't. Just won't. For a very long time. Pick any of the following reasons:-
- Lack of EV infrastructure
- Lack of desire, due to either small-c conservatism, or a desire NOT to be beholden to the electricity network in the event of any sort of natural disaster or governmental 'issue', or a preference for classic cars, or a preference for running cars which won't self-obsolete within 10 years.
And then there's the sink-estates, who won't be able to afford to run EVs for decades yet, and where home-charging infrastructure can't or won't be installed - landlord dissent, LEA refusal to maintain, risk of vandalism, risk of someone else using 'your' electricity - you name it, any/all of the petty issues that dominate these areas written onto the EV.
I get what you're saying, but I think you're out with your timeframe. 100 years maybe, but certainly not 30...
I think you have forgotten what happend in just 70 years in the last century.....the Wright Brothers flew the first powered flight in 1903....just 66 years later we were on the MOON!!!
Today things are moving even faster.....Battery technology will come on in leaps and bounds, there will be no ‘charging points’, just drive in wireless charging stations that will instantly charge your car without having to get out of the vehicle.I have no doubt your figure of 100 years is double the time it will be before the internal combustion engine is no more on public roads.
Lordbenny said:
I think you have forgotten what happend in just 70 years in the last century.....the Wright Brothers flew the first powered flight in 1903....just 66 years later we were on the MOON!!!
… and 49 years after man landed on the moon I’m still seeing horses and steam powered traction engines on public roads.I can easily imagine a dramatic decline in the usage of ICE vehicles but I just can’t see them going away completely. Once BEV is the cheaper option and people catch on I’d predict them to account for most new cars sold but I think we’re at probably 10 years away from that. Even when most people are buying BEV there will still be a significant minority that refuse to switch (you know, because they need to drive a minimum of 50 miles more than whatever the current average BEV range is without stopping or electric cars don’t have a soul like their 2.0TDI does) so we’ll probably see ICE being sold right up to 2040 when the resistance will have to swap to hybrids. I can see people buying hybrids for 10-20 years after that and there are a lot of people that will happily run a 20 year old car as a daily driver. That means it could be 2070-2080 before it’s even particularly uncommon to see a hybrid with an ICE being used as a daily driver.
donteatpeople said:
… and 49 years after man landed on the moon I’m still seeing horses and steam powered traction engines on public roads.
And two weeks ago I went to Heaver castle to watch the jousting! I guess we’ll just have to wait and see although some of us just won’t be around to see it....cryogenics aside!
This is the kind of EV I could actually get behind if it wasn't ludicrously expensive, if you have to go electric why not have one that is at least stunning to look at.
I would love to live in a world of Plymouth Superbirds, Dodge Chargers, C10 Skylines and Ferrari Daytona's with electric running gear.
If the future isn't going to sound good then it can at least look good.
I would love to live in a world of Plymouth Superbirds, Dodge Chargers, C10 Skylines and Ferrari Daytona's with electric running gear.
If the future isn't going to sound good then it can at least look good.
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