RE: European debut for Tesla Roadster
Discussion
365daytonafan said:
Ares said:
The Model 3 is now at 5,000 units a week...
It's also seen quarterly revenues go past $4bn...and they are now making money on the Model 3 at 15% Gross Margin, with 20% expected (Bloomberg analysis) by the end of the year.
Add in $2bn in the bank, the business is less shaky than it was.
How many cars produced need substantial rework before or after delivery though. I've seen lots of stories of bumpers falling off new Tesla 3's when it rains , aTesla X delivered with mismatched door cards and lots of comments that fit and finish would not be worthy of an 80's Lada.It's also seen quarterly revenues go past $4bn...and they are now making money on the Model 3 at 15% Gross Margin, with 20% expected (Bloomberg analysis) by the end of the year.
Add in $2bn in the bank, the business is less shaky than it was.
How many BMWs have just been recalled? And how many Mercs?
People just love to hate Musk/Tesla.
"He'll never build them for that price"
<builds>
"Yeah but he'll never get to 5,000 units/month"
<Hits 5,000 units/month>
"Yeah well they're not very good build quality"
"Waaaah" "Waaaah" "Waaaah"
<finds dummy>
Blackpuddin said:
Judging by the fact that nobody seems to be taking up the 'rocket tech' reference in the story, is the assumption that he wasn't talking literally there – ie, adding rocket propulsion in some way? In Musk's odd brain he may be seeing some sort of natural linkup between his space and earthbound enterprises. If there was some way of delivering rocket power safely, the short-term boost (and resultant headline-grabbing performance figures) would be, well, awesome. And Musk has already normalised the concept of short-term boost in his various Ludicrous modes.
Slightly off topic, but not that much, it's a bit surprising that no IC manufacturer has looked at commercialising nitrous oxide injection yet. It could be their version of Tesla's high-performance mode.
On the Rogan podcast he talked about compressed air 'boosters'. Can't see how they'd do anything other than bugger all. Slightly off topic, but not that much, it's a bit surprising that no IC manufacturer has looked at commercialising nitrous oxide injection yet. It could be their version of Tesla's high-performance mode.
98elise said:
Exige77 said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Exige77 said:
I’m sure many owners would be happy if they could buy their wiz bang car made with a £20/25K Loss.
Let’s judge Mr Musk when he makes a car everyone wants without loosing other people’s money.
Tesla is a commercial enterprise. It can only be judged on its profit or it’s loss. Sadly only losses so far with no real profit in sight.
Making mass market cars is more than just puting an electric motor and batteries in a car. The whole thing, including finances need to work to make the whole thing sustainable.
Let’s see what happens ?
I have no probs to drive an EV as a daily but will stick with my “already made” ICE for fun.
Why would you, should you, care on the business model ?Let’s judge Mr Musk when he makes a car everyone wants without loosing other people’s money.
Tesla is a commercial enterprise. It can only be judged on its profit or it’s loss. Sadly only losses so far with no real profit in sight.
Making mass market cars is more than just puting an electric motor and batteries in a car. The whole thing, including finances need to work to make the whole thing sustainable.
Let’s see what happens ?
I have no probs to drive an EV as a daily but will stick with my “already made” ICE for fun.
The big three are unsustainable as ‘manufacturers’ without their finance machines behind them.
Need to compare Apples with Apples so Business model matters.
You can't sell cars in volume until you've built the factories and assembly lines.
A recent teardown and evaluation of the Model 3 estimated 30% profit.
I think you mean 30% margin and not “profit”. Big difference.
The Crack Fox said:
I'd rather buy a car that is designed and built properly, first time, than to rely on a manufacturer who may or may not be around tomorrow. And if they are, at what point will their goodwill run out?
a valid if also somewhat reductive buyer preference; simply choose from the green segments below
There's a lot to be gained by giving Tesla a bad reputation. Our X and the other X in our family have been fine, and when I look on the manufacturer specific forums, most are.
I wonder how much of this is the other side of the 'batteries kill the planet' and other debunked rubbish pushed by the industries that Tesla are in the process of putting a finite lifespan on...
I wonder how much of this is the other side of the 'batteries kill the planet' and other debunked rubbish pushed by the industries that Tesla are in the process of putting a finite lifespan on...
The Crack Fox said:
Apologies for the selective quoting, but...
That’s my point really. Having good customer service is only ever a stop-gap and it’s far easier when you’re relatively small with a small number of cars in the market place, as the number of cars and owners increases, then it may be hard to keep up with the basic unreliability.IforB said:
I know a few people with Model S and X’s and each one of them has had a myriad of problems
IforB said:
Traditional manufacturers could learn a thing or two from them on this...
I'd rather buy a car that is designed and built properly, first time, than to rely on a manufacturer who may or may not be around tomorrow. And if they are, at what point will their goodwill run out?Interesting to hear that the service levels seem to be variable too. I only have second-hand experience through others who own them, so interesting to hear from people who have not had a good experience too.
hairykrishna said:
Blackpuddin said:
Judging by the fact that nobody seems to be taking up the 'rocket tech' reference in the story, is the assumption that he wasn't talking literally there – ie, adding rocket propulsion in some way? In Musk's odd brain he may be seeing some sort of natural linkup between his space and earthbound enterprises. If there was some way of delivering rocket power safely, the short-term boost (and resultant headline-grabbing performance figures) would be, well, awesome. And Musk has already normalised the concept of short-term boost in his various Ludicrous modes.
Slightly off topic, but not that much, it's a bit surprising that no IC manufacturer has looked at commercialising nitrous oxide injection yet. It could be their version of Tesla's high-performance mode.
On the Rogan podcast he talked about compressed air 'boosters'. Can't see how they'd do anything other than bugger all. Slightly off topic, but not that much, it's a bit surprising that no IC manufacturer has looked at commercialising nitrous oxide injection yet. It could be their version of Tesla's high-performance mode.
98elise said:
It's entirely possible and is already in use on rockets. Its a ridiculous idea in a car through (other than headline grabbing).
Well yes, I get that if you chuck anything out the back you'll get thrust. I haven't worked the numbers but negligible thrust in the context of a car was what I meant by bugger all.hairykrishna said:
98elise said:
It's entirely possible and is already in use on rockets. Its a ridiculous idea in a car through (other than headline grabbing).
Well yes, I get that if you chuck anything out the back you'll get thrust. I haven't worked the numbers but negligible thrust in the context of a car was what I meant by bugger all.Elon Musk says people need to work around 80 hours per week to change the world
http://uk.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-80-ho...
I’m not anti EV and all for it, arguing for working stupidly long hours may be OK for Musk but not for the average individual only a few will want and can actually change the world. VW is an example where their email systems do not contact workers out of hours. People have families they need to nurture. It is unreasonable to expect your workforce to input horrendous work hours in the way Musk is holding up. Remember the old adage Breakfast is for wimps?
37.5 - 40 hours is sufficient for anyone.
The health and social impacts of long working hours and night shifts have on individuals.
Don’t get me wrong I have done some long work days but it’s not good and you can’t do it for long periods.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-80-ho...
I’m not anti EV and all for it, arguing for working stupidly long hours may be OK for Musk but not for the average individual only a few will want and can actually change the world. VW is an example where their email systems do not contact workers out of hours. People have families they need to nurture. It is unreasonable to expect your workforce to input horrendous work hours in the way Musk is holding up. Remember the old adage Breakfast is for wimps?
37.5 - 40 hours is sufficient for anyone.
The health and social impacts of long working hours and night shifts have on individuals.
Don’t get me wrong I have done some long work days but it’s not good and you can’t do it for long periods.
If you're young and ambitious you can do it a few years. But somewhere the number of total hours you can work are limited, and if you burn them quickly, you might find that you won't live as long as you assumed you would... Teslas and going to space all and well, but having normal stress levels, good health, enjoying the family and company of friends, and walking to the shop nearby (if it is still there) might beat that... yes we are still on PH, more to life than driving a (quick) car after all...
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