RE: European debut for Tesla Roadster
Discussion
PaulD86 said:
TTmonkey said:
If he wants to save the world, build a car we all want to buy for £35k.
Or, more usefully, figure how to harness and store enough electricity in a clean manner to actually allow us all to have an electric car without just burning more fossil fuels to make the power for them. This is the real challenge for the future. We are nowhere near yet.So using what resource we have more efficiently is step 1 in the process.
365daytonafan said:
Ares said:
The Model 3 is now at 5,000 units a week...
It's also seen quarterly revenues go past $4bn...and they are now making money on the Model 3 at 15% Gross Margin, with 20% expected (Bloomberg analysis) by the end of the year.
Add in $2bn in the bank, the business is less shaky than it was.
How many cars produced need substantial rework before or after delivery though. I've seen lots of stories of bumpers falling off new Tesla 3's when it rains , aTesla X delivered with mismatched door cards and lots of comments that fit and finish would not be worthy of an 80's Lada.It's also seen quarterly revenues go past $4bn...and they are now making money on the Model 3 at 15% Gross Margin, with 20% expected (Bloomberg analysis) by the end of the year.
Add in $2bn in the bank, the business is less shaky than it was.
Have to say the founders edition at $250k a pop is masterstroke for short term cash flow if the 1,000 are indeed all sold.
The "new" sports car does have the whiff of a cash flow builder to it. 1000 deposits of $250K up front for something they don't even have to think about delivering for a couple of years or so is great way to put $250M in the bank of a cash strapped company.... No wonder they are still encouraging others to put deposits down....
The Crack Fox said:
Is anyone brave enough to give this company (with their crackpot "pedo man" comment boss) their money? They're in the crap, financially, aren't they?
I think r11co has summed up my thoughts...probably an easy few hundred million in interest-free customer r11co said:
Fast Bug said:
I think if Tesla concentrated on building what they've got orders for, rather than rolling out new models then they'd fair a lot better. Mind you, people queue up to put down deposits on future models which must help keep the company afloat!
Mega-hyped Ponzi scheme?! 
Surely not.
365daytonafan said:
Have to say the founders edition at $250k a pop is masterstroke for short term cash flow if the 1,000 are indeed all sold.
Some see the Telsa look as a modern, futuristic, 'Apple' of the car world.
I see Tesla as makers of expensive, fast but dull, faceless, bland cars.
I don't expect anyone will be buying an 'obsolete' Tesla S in 15 years for it's looks.
Expect to see Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc come roaring back putting a massive dent in Telsa's long term viability.
Tesla Roadster
Tesla S
Tesla X
Tesla 3
I see Tesla as makers of expensive, fast but dull, faceless, bland cars.
I don't expect anyone will be buying an 'obsolete' Tesla S in 15 years for it's looks.
Expect to see Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc come roaring back putting a massive dent in Telsa's long term viability.
Tesla Roadster
Tesla S
Tesla X
Tesla 3
ChocolateFrog said:
Musk is the kind of guy you'd love to see get what he deserves in one of those Karma videos.
He's so full of s
t.
Would like to see Tesla succeed if only to give the established players a kick up the arse.
Like when he said he would build reusable rockets? He pretty much delivers...just way later then he thinks he can.He's so full of s
t. Would like to see Tesla succeed if only to give the established players a kick up the arse.
The unfortunate truth of this is that current battery chemistry doesn't allow it to be practically implemented. We all know how much Musk has invested in the battery technology sector and the ONLY way I can see this coming to fruition is for it to contain an as yet undisclosed, very high energy density battery chemistry that nobody knows about. Maybe it will, but forgive me for being a little sceptical.
Baldchap said:
I wonder what would the theoretical top speed of a current P100D be if the fixed reduction gear was a 2 or 3 speed gearbox with ratios allowing higher speeds and no limiter? With all that torque, surely you could pull some silly speeds of the aero was appropriately sorted.
About the same as any other large 760bhp saloon car. It's fairly aerodynamic so maybe 220mph?SpunkyM said:
The unfortunate truth of this is that current battery chemistry doesn't allow it to be practically implemented. We all know how much Musk has invested in the battery technology sector and the ONLY way I can see this coming to fruition is for it to contain an as yet undisclosed, very high energy density battery chemistry that nobody knows about. Maybe it will, but forgive me for being a little sceptical.
Current battery technology is good enough, it's just going to be bloody heavy. For those numbers it'll need about 200kwh which means the battery pack will weigh upwards of a tonne with current cells. It'll be pretty big too, roughly twice the size of the P100D's pack. Then four decent sized motors, one for each wheel, and you're there. There's nothing dreadfully new in terms of technology required; just a lot more of the current technology.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th September 13:42
98elise said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Musk is the kind of guy you'd love to see get what he deserves in one of those Karma videos.
He's so full of st.
Would like to see Tesla succeed if only to give the established players a kick up the arse.
Like when he said he would build reusable rockets? He pretty much delivers...just way later then he thinks he can.He's so full of s
t. Would like to see Tesla succeed if only to give the established players a kick up the arse.
A vain Billionaire calling a genuine hero a pedo because he felt 'Butthurt' that his money wasn't what saved the day reveals a lot about the man. He even brought it back up weeks after.
SpunkyM said:
The unfortunate truth of this is that current battery chemistry doesn't allow it to be practically implemented. We all know how much Musk has invested in the battery technology sector and the ONLY way I can see this coming to fruition is for it to contain an as yet undisclosed, very high energy density battery chemistry that nobody knows about. Maybe it will, but forgive me for being a little sceptical.
Don't know a lot about it but I've heard solid state lithium batteries with 2 to 3 times the energy density and no drop off in performance in cold weather are not too far away. Not sure If the gigafactory would be capable of switching over production should that be the case. kambites said:
Current battery technology is good enough, it's just going to be bloody heavy. For those numbers it'll need about 200kwh which means the battery pack will weigh upwards of a tonne with current cells. It'll be pretty big too, roughly twice the size of the P100D's pack.
Then four decent sized motors, one for each wheel, and you're there. There's nothing dreadfully new in terms of technology required; just a lot more of the current technology.
And how is that going to fit in the smaller (than the S) roadster? It simply will not. And then you have to cool 4 motors instead of 2, and cool twice the number of cells. This car is simply not happening at those figures unless it is far bigger than renders suggest.Then four decent sized motors, one for each wheel, and you're there. There's nothing dreadfully new in terms of technology required; just a lot more of the current technology.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th September 13:42
Onehp said:
That would be a great idea! Maybe they should make a more expensive version of that one and sell them first to get production running?
haha, cracking idea!Seriously I dont understand why Tesla are chasing this very halo and niche product market.
Surely an electric pick up truck or commercial van, with 600 mile capability would hit a bigger market.
Then again the biggest problem they have at the moment is that they cannot build the model 3 quick enough.....
unsprung said:
model 3 is in no way a luxury carChocolateFrog said:
A vain Billionaire calling a genuine hero a pedo because he felt 'Butthurt' that his money wasn't what saved the day reveals a lot about the man. He even brought it back up weeks after.
I honestly think he's lost it. Or is in the process of losing it. Credit for all he's achieved, but he needs a month off work and a long time off Twitter.rampageturke said:
unsprung said:
model 3 is in no way a luxury car
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