RE: 'Coupe' Cayenne shows off new rear wing
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I think BMW were early leaders in this inexplicable trend. Take a functional SUV and make it a fastback fright pig. The Porsche will probably sell, but it is just as horrible. It is NOT a sports car, not a useful load carrier,not a proper passenger car but a tall wardrobe on wheels. I have some Porsches but would not even park next to this monster.
It seems off that any commercial manufacturer of cars is lambasted for building cars that buyers actually seem to want.
This is what they are in business to do.
Lotus have already demonstrated that the true market for the cars PH 'keyboard warriors' demand is minute.
Time to accept that new car buyers will buy what they want to, not what some on here think they should.
This is what they are in business to do.
Lotus have already demonstrated that the true market for the cars PH 'keyboard warriors' demand is minute.
Time to accept that new car buyers will buy what they want to, not what some on here think they should.
RDMcG said:
I think BMW were early leaders in this inexplicable trend. Take a functional SUV and make it a fastback fright pig. The Porsche will probably sell, but it is just as horrible. It is NOT a sports car, not a useful load carrier,not a proper passenger car but a tall wardrobe on wheels. I have some Porsches but would not even park next to this monster.
Yes, I think the BMW X6 was the first, and I seem to recall it was billed as a "Sports Activity Vehicle".RDMcG said:
I think BMW were early leaders in this inexplicable trend. Take a functional SUV and make it a fastback fright pig. The Porsche will probably sell, but it is just as horrible. It is NOT a sports car, not a useful load carrier,not a proper passenger car but a tall wardrobe on wheels. I have some Porsches but would not even park next to this monster.
This is the sort of post it would be good to have a “like” button for. This “coupe” nonsense for fat 4 door cars with a slightly slope-ier rear hatch along with dry weight figures, faux exhausts and vents and the march of suvs as general transport confirms for me that I’m not in touch with most people and that I’ll be happier in my 80’s/90’s Car theme park I’m developing. Please come and get me when the world has swung around to smaller, prettier, more thoughtful cars again, ie, when people have changed.Porsche, for most of their existence, have been a sports car manufacturer with an illustrious racing history.
The cayenne helped to bring much needed funds in on the basis of being the most driver focussed SUV on the market. Fair enough.
Now that the company is financially successful and under the umbrella of VAG, why not leave the niche filling to audi and VW? Producing a less practical, uglier Cayenne, with no improvements in performance or driving engagement is surely just weakening the brand. There'll be an overlap in sales with Audi versions anyway, so why risk the long term brand for a modest increase in short term sales, when you factor in sales taken from Audi, or from the normal Cayenne?
Clearly I'm wrong, as they're producing it, and there will be plenty of people out there to buy these who benefit from a far more sophisticated sense of taste and style than me.
The cayenne helped to bring much needed funds in on the basis of being the most driver focussed SUV on the market. Fair enough.
Now that the company is financially successful and under the umbrella of VAG, why not leave the niche filling to audi and VW? Producing a less practical, uglier Cayenne, with no improvements in performance or driving engagement is surely just weakening the brand. There'll be an overlap in sales with Audi versions anyway, so why risk the long term brand for a modest increase in short term sales, when you factor in sales taken from Audi, or from the normal Cayenne?
Clearly I'm wrong, as they're producing it, and there will be plenty of people out there to buy these who benefit from a far more sophisticated sense of taste and style than me.
I blame China sales chasing for every manufacturer's indiscretions..but it seems that non car people with new money in any geography treat cars as fashion statements and given they hang out with similar folks they achieve what they set out to do...to feel good about making others admire/jelous of what they own.
To us, these things are stupid hidious waste of space...but then I like the Q8 and Urus so perhaps it's a design thing where they can be made to look desirable to petrolhead.
To us, these things are stupid hidious waste of space...but then I like the Q8 and Urus so perhaps it's a design thing where they can be made to look desirable to petrolhead.
Complaining about posts which lambast or bemoan this product are as insightful and useful as those that moan about the people who like it.
It’s an opinion based discussion forum.
No one is or should be here to convince everyone or anyone that they are ‘right’.
Bottom line, Porsche/VAG see profit, sufficient to invest in all the stuff that goes into making it.
Personally I think it’s dogs
t. The mk1 Cayenne and Panamera were too but they have been honed into less offensive justifiable products... personally I can’t think of anything they can do to this that’ll make we want or even look at one.
I won’t be insulting anyone that does however.
It’s an opinion based discussion forum.
No one is or should be here to convince everyone or anyone that they are ‘right’.
Bottom line, Porsche/VAG see profit, sufficient to invest in all the stuff that goes into making it.
Personally I think it’s dogs
t. The mk1 Cayenne and Panamera were too but they have been honed into less offensive justifiable products... personally I can’t think of anything they can do to this that’ll make we want or even look at one.I won’t be insulting anyone that does however.
Mackofthejungle said:
chrisironside said:
J4CKO said:
Doesnt weighing two and a bit tonnes produce enough downforce ?
Weighing two and a bit tonnes doesn't produce any... Because mass is totally distinct from downforce.rockin said:
E65Ross said:
Downforce has nothing to do with the mass.
The subject here isn't "mass" it's "weight". Aerodynamic downforce adds extra "weight". So the weight of the vehicle when stationary must also exert a downforce.Ask the tyres. They know this stuff.
A pimped up X6 with a matt blue wrap and bodykit tried to race me the other day. Undertook me, very noisily, pulled out in front, and then dropped back in and slowed down, very erratically. In a 40mph limit approaching traffic lights.
The driver was looking in his mirror waiting for any sign that I was ready to race, but I had two kids and wife with me and in case you missed it, it was a 40mph road with traffic lights ahead. Amounted to nothing obviously, but I just remember the hideousness of the vehicle being such a perfect match for the driving style.
I am pretty prejudiced against these things, because I can't understand how anyone can lack enough self awareness to realise what a car like this says about you. Getting a steroid-injected, tribal-tattooed, penis stitched to your forehead would make you look less of a dhead than driving one of these.
The driver was looking in his mirror waiting for any sign that I was ready to race, but I had two kids and wife with me and in case you missed it, it was a 40mph road with traffic lights ahead. Amounted to nothing obviously, but I just remember the hideousness of the vehicle being such a perfect match for the driving style.
I am pretty prejudiced against these things, because I can't understand how anyone can lack enough self awareness to realise what a car like this says about you. Getting a steroid-injected, tribal-tattooed, penis stitched to your forehead would make you look less of a d
head than driving one of these.dimots said:
A pimped up X6 with a matt blue wrap and bodykit tried to race me the other day. Undertook me, very noisily, pulled out in front, and then dropped back in and slowed down, very erratically. In a 40mph limit approaching traffic lights.
The driver was looking in his mirror waiting for any sign that I was ready to race, but I had two kids and wife with me and in case you missed it, it was a 40mph road with traffic lights ahead. Amounted to nothing obviously, but I just remember the hideousness of the vehicle being such a perfect match for the driving style.
I am pretty prejudiced against these things, because I can't understand how anyone can lack enough self awareness to realise what a car like this says about you. Getting a steroid-injected, tribal-tattooed, penis stitched to your forehead would make you look less of a dhead than driving one of these.
He wanted a race or glaring at you for hoggng the right hand lane?The driver was looking in his mirror waiting for any sign that I was ready to race, but I had two kids and wife with me and in case you missed it, it was a 40mph road with traffic lights ahead. Amounted to nothing obviously, but I just remember the hideousness of the vehicle being such a perfect match for the driving style.
I am pretty prejudiced against these things, because I can't understand how anyone can lack enough self awareness to realise what a car like this says about you. Getting a steroid-injected, tribal-tattooed, penis stitched to your forehead would make you look less of a d
head than driving one of these.;-)
Seriously, the matt blue wrap and body kit say's more about that person than choice of vehicle.
4 seat SUVs actually make for comfortable long distance travel - especially if you have to drive a mix of motorway and country lanes. Sure, those requirements come from a small minority of buyers - but there is a use for these vehicles. I drove back to London from North Yorkshire last night in my SUV, and witnessed d
head driving from a whole range of vehicles - it's not the tool for the job, but the tool driving it.stongle said:
4 seat SUVs actually make for comfortable long distance travel - especially if you have to drive a mix of motorway and country lanes. Sure, those requirements come from a small minority of buyers - but there is a use for these vehicles. I drove back to London from North Yorkshire last night in my SUV, and witnessed dhead driving from a whole range of vehicles - it's not the tool for the job, but the tool driving it.
Don't think I could ever feel comfortable in a BMW X6. I'd feel more comfortable picking up my kids from school in a white van with 'PAEDO WAGON' spray painted on the side.head driving from a whole range of vehicles - it's not the tool for the job, but the tool driving it.
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