RE: BMW announces X2 M35i
Discussion
Another nameless, faceless car from another manufacturer that seems to be trying to flood the market with endless variations of an already mind-boggling model range. Long gone are the days when 3 meant small, 5 meant medium, 7 meant large and anything with an M on it was something really special.
And it looks the same as just about every other SUV on the market.
And it looks the same as just about every other SUV on the market.
This is only a tenth of a second slower to 60 than my old manual V8 M3 and it has more torque!...it isn't any wonder why I thought my M3 was a bit lacking performance/torque wise!! 
Its pretty easy to understand now why Bmw's N/A engines died a death, and at least now we get some decent performance/torque figures from their range of Turbo engines.
Not sure I agree with the 35i badging for a 4 cyl though.
Its pretty easy to understand now why Bmw's N/A engines died a death, and at least now we get some decent performance/torque figures from their range of Turbo engines.
Not sure I agree with the 35i badging for a 4 cyl though.
Ranger 6 said:
Was this the beginning of the end then? 
The M Sport badge is far removed from an M Car and has been for a long time, but then, you'd know that wouldn't you....
I'm just frustrated that BMW have taken so long to produce an alternative for the A45, and in that time the Merc has evolved even further, so they're playing catch-up again. And has someone else has pointed out even the Audi RSQ3 has more grunt now.
Any comments about the sell-out of the AMG brand and why is an SUV considered an Audi RS? It's all just marketing boll*cks - suck it up and move on
Now that is a great looking BMW - same for the M3 a few posts back. And the interiors in them were leagues ahead of anything else for the money or size.The M Sport badge is far removed from an M Car and has been for a long time, but then, you'd know that wouldn't you....
I'm just frustrated that BMW have taken so long to produce an alternative for the A45, and in that time the Merc has evolved even further, so they're playing catch-up again. And has someone else has pointed out even the Audi RSQ3 has more grunt now.
Any comments about the sell-out of the AMG brand and why is an SUV considered an Audi RS? It's all just marketing boll*cks - suck it up and move on
Stu-C123 said:
Another nameless, faceless car from another manufacturer that seems to be trying to flood the market with endless variations of an already mind-boggling model range. Long gone are the days when 3 meant small, 5 meant medium, 7 meant large and anything with an M on it was something really special.
And it looks the same as just about every other SUV on the market.
Just as well those days are gone. These days we have more choice. You can still get small (1/2/3) medium (5) and large (7) if one likes, but we also have other stuff to choose from as well.And it looks the same as just about every other SUV on the market.
It's almost as if people think choice is a bad thing? If one model doesn't suit your needs....don't buy it. Just because a manufacturer is catering for what other people want, then why shouldn't they make it?
I've got news, many a M (Performance) labelled car hasen't been very involving drive for quite some time. This one might actually be quite ok. The transverse layout makes for a compact car and a relatively light one for the space offered. The B48 engine is very high tech and will again provide a good power delivery across the revrange, again for a relatively light engine. The front diff is quite a feature and shows they take this car's dynamic behaviour seriously, only the A45 and the Focus RS have these, and then they are optional.
The kerb weight has not been published but scales have a potential to stop before 1600kg. That is a good number for a SUV with 300hp. Given that proper attention has been given to how this car handles, it might be a lot better to drive than the all too many M models whose kerb weight starts with the number 2. Especially on a smaller road.
The kerb weight has not been published but scales have a potential to stop before 1600kg. That is a good number for a SUV with 300hp. Given that proper attention has been given to how this car handles, it might be a lot better to drive than the all too many M models whose kerb weight starts with the number 2. Especially on a smaller road.
Edited by Onehp on Friday 7th September 17:11
Butter Face said:
Max_Torque said:
Slinging the engine cross the front, and even worse, sticking on the side of it a huge 4wd transmission is NOT a recipe for a nice car to drive.......
Not driven an Evo then? Older BMWs, with 50:50 distribution handled well at a fundamental level.
Zod said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I don't mind the outside, I think it's the best of the X series. Sadly, the interior does nothing for me, especially that 6ft long gear knob which looks like it's off of a 90s Honda and just annoys me in the X1 and X2. Sad I know...
Oh, and that is really s
t badging up a 4-pot as an M car.
Yes, that's a terrible idea:Oh, and that is really s
t badging up a 4-pot as an M car.
E65Ross said:
Wills2 said:
What was bad about the E30 316i?
The engine was hardly great, which is what I was alluring too (if you see the 1st post in your quotes which I said 
)On your wider point regarding BMW not been known for making good engines, I think that's one of the things they are known for, their modern diesels like the 35/40d generally have the legs on the competition, the straight 6s were/are superb and a BMW signature, the M engines all have a terrific appetite for revs the S85/65 are stunning and same is said of the e39 5.0V8 and that's before you get into the motorsport stuff and the V12s etc....
Since the engine of the year award started back in 1999 BMW has won 62 award nearly twice the nearest competitor.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 7th September 18:00
aeropilot said:
BFleming said:
Mackofthejungle said:
ManOpener said:
Jakg said:
Prinny said:
18” front discs? fk me sideways. Is it down to weight, or are BMW trying to consign fade to the history books?
The discs for my M6 are around 15” (and £500), what are these going to cost?
k me sideways. Is it down to weight, or are BMW trying to consign fade to the history books?The discs for my M6 are around 15” (and £500), what are these going to cost?
J4CKO said:
18 inch front disks ? is that correct, what size are the wheels ?
Pretty obvious the next gen M135i/M140i will be this engine with the wick turned up.
As above - I can't believe that's true. Thats 457mm!Pretty obvious the next gen M135i/M140i will be this engine with the wick turned up.
Even if they're using the larger disk size (from things like the M4 and the M Performance brake kit), they'd only be 370mm.
ks. No car has 18" discs. Still b
ks though... got to be!As pointed out already, they are very likely the same basic parts already used on the M140i etc.
Wills2 said:
E65Ross said:
Wills2 said:
What was bad about the E30 316i?
The engine was hardly great, which is what I was alluring too (if you see the 1st post in your quotes which I said )On your wider point regarding BMW not been known for making good engines, I think that's one of the things they are known for, their modern diesels like the 35/40d generally have the legs on the competition, the straight 6s were/are superb and a BMW signature, the M engines all have a terrific appetite for revs the S85/65 are stunning and same is said of the e39 5.0V8 and that's before you get into the motorsport stuff and the V12s etc....
Since the engine of the year award started back in 1999 BMW has won 62 award nearly twice the nearest competitor.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 7th September 18:00
The hate for this car is hilarious no one is forcing anyone to buy one!
SWMBO has an X1 with the same chassis as this and guess what; despite being a 20d xdrive it’s actually quite a fun drive. Torquey, responsive, relatively agile, doesn’t wallow noticeably in corners and modest enough in size to hustle down narrow B roads. The slightly elevated position makes for excellent visibility too.
As for the just buy an estate argument I had a 335d touring and getting small kids (baby seat in particular) in and out of an SUV is a lot easier. The boot on the X1 is massive with the false floor removed and I doubt the X2 is much smaller.
If they brought out an M35i version of the X1 I’d be very tempted to convince the wife to switch. The looks of this X2 are a bit marmite but BMW making fast SUVs in this segment with a 4 pot turbo makes absolute sense to me.
SWMBO has an X1 with the same chassis as this and guess what; despite being a 20d xdrive it’s actually quite a fun drive. Torquey, responsive, relatively agile, doesn’t wallow noticeably in corners and modest enough in size to hustle down narrow B roads. The slightly elevated position makes for excellent visibility too.
As for the just buy an estate argument I had a 335d touring and getting small kids (baby seat in particular) in and out of an SUV is a lot easier. The boot on the X1 is massive with the false floor removed and I doubt the X2 is much smaller.
If they brought out an M35i version of the X1 I’d be very tempted to convince the wife to switch. The looks of this X2 are a bit marmite but BMW making fast SUVs in this segment with a 4 pot turbo makes absolute sense to me.
E65Ross said:
Just as well those days are gone. These days we have more choice. You can still get small (1/2/3) medium (5) and large (7) if one likes, but we also have other stuff to choose from as well.
It's almost as if people think choice is a bad thing? If one model doesn't suit your needs....don't buy it. Just because a manufacturer is catering for what other people want, then why shouldn't they make it?
It's almost as if people think choice is a bad thing? If one model doesn't suit your needs....don't buy it. Just because a manufacturer is catering for what other people want, then why shouldn't they make it?
Agreed. 3 / 5 / 7 series 4 door saloons were all available for order last time I checked the website...
Dunno, for a company claiming to build the 'ultimate driving machines', a SUV Coupé with a small FI engine, FWD plus crutches, auto box, ste weight, ste aero, ste CoG, ste EPAS and very little practical value should not be on the cards. And it doesn't help that the styling looks like it is targeting 14 year olds with self esteem problems.
It will sell nicely of course. But it makes the whole brand look disengenious (to me). BMW are sticking their 'M' badge on this thing. So according to Munich, this is what modern driving fun looks like. The best they can do smiles/miles for your money.
No, thank you very much.
Edit, PS: if they'd take their own mantra of yesteryears serioulsy... An MX-5 and an A110 rival would be in their line up. Or at least a valid sucessor for the 318is.
te weight, ste aero, ste CoG, ste EPAS and very little practical value should not be on the cards. And it doesn't help that the styling looks like it is targeting 14 year olds with self esteem problems.It will sell nicely of course. But it makes the whole brand look disengenious (to me). BMW are sticking their 'M' badge on this thing. So according to Munich, this is what modern driving fun looks like. The best they can do smiles/miles for your money.
No, thank you very much.
Edit, PS: if they'd take their own mantra of yesteryears serioulsy... An MX-5 and an A110 rival would be in their line up. Or at least a valid sucessor for the 318is.
Edited by Kolbenkopp on Saturday 8th September 00:14
9k rpm said:
The hate for this car is hilarious no one is forcing anyone to buy one!
SWMBO has an X1 with the same chassis as this and guess what; despite being a 20d xdrive it’s actually quite a fun drive. Torquey, responsive, relatively agile, doesn’t wallow noticeably in corners and modest enough in size to hustle down narrow B roads. The slightly elevated position makes for excellent visibility too.
As for the just buy an estate argument I had a 335d touring and getting small kids (baby seat in particular) in and out of an SUV is a lot easier. The boot on the X1 is massive with the false floor removed and I doubt the X2 is much smaller.
If they brought out an M35i version of the X1 I’d be very tempted to convince the wife to switch. The looks of this X2 are a bit marmite but BMW making fast SUVs in this segment with a 4 pot turbo makes absolute sense to me.
Hand in your PH badge now and don’t come back till the anti suv / 4x4 vaccine has worked ... SWMBO has an X1 with the same chassis as this and guess what; despite being a 20d xdrive it’s actually quite a fun drive. Torquey, responsive, relatively agile, doesn’t wallow noticeably in corners and modest enough in size to hustle down narrow B roads. The slightly elevated position makes for excellent visibility too.
As for the just buy an estate argument I had a 335d touring and getting small kids (baby seat in particular) in and out of an SUV is a lot easier. The boot on the X1 is massive with the false floor removed and I doubt the X2 is much smaller.
If they brought out an M35i version of the X1 I’d be very tempted to convince the wife to switch. The looks of this X2 are a bit marmite but BMW making fast SUVs in this segment with a 4 pot turbo makes absolute sense to me.
Edited by rallycross on Saturday 8th September 09:40
rallycross said:
9k rpm said:
The hate for this car is hilarious no one is forcing anyone to buy one!
SWMBO has an X1 with the same chassis as this and guess what; despite being a 20d xdrive it’s actually quite a fun drive. Torquey, responsive, relatively agile, doesn’t wallow noticeably in corners and modest enough in size to hustle down narrow B roads. The slightly elevated position makes for excellent visibility too.
As for the just buy an estate argument I had a 335d touring and getting small kids (baby seat in particular) in and out of an SUV is a lot easier. The boot on the X1 is massive with the false floor removed and I doubt the X2 is much smaller.
If they brought out an M35i version of the X1 I’d be very tempted to convince the wife to switch. The looks of this X2 are a bit marmite but BMW making fast SUVs in this segment with a 4 pot turbo makes absolute sense to me.
Hand in your PH badge now and don’t come back till the anti suv / 4x4 vaccine has worked.SWMBO has an X1 with the same chassis as this and guess what; despite being a 20d xdrive it’s actually quite a fun drive. Torquey, responsive, relatively agile, doesn’t wallow noticeably in corners and modest enough in size to hustle down narrow B roads. The slightly elevated position makes for excellent visibility too.
As for the just buy an estate argument I had a 335d touring and getting small kids (baby seat in particular) in and out of an SUV is a lot easier. The boot on the X1 is massive with the false floor removed and I doubt the X2 is much smaller.
If they brought out an M35i version of the X1 I’d be very tempted to convince the wife to switch. The looks of this X2 are a bit marmite but BMW making fast SUVs in this segment with a 4 pot turbo makes absolute sense to me.
Viva la revolution!
RDMcG said:
I had a few real M cars in the past. They were true drivers' cars. This thing is a sad ending for any meaning of the M designation.
I don't think this is meant to be an M-car, more of a nomenclature for the top end cars of BMW's particular range. I don't consider the M140i (for example) an M-car either, for what it's worth. On the subject of M-cars, is there any true M car left? They're all built on the same production line as their lesser (3 cylinder) brethren these days, literally churned out rather than hand crafted. Fine cars no doubt, but as special as they once were?
E65Ross said:
aston addict said:
Chavtastic junk with that red interior. Looks like a tvrd roller skate.
Oh BMW, how do did you lose your way so badly?
Your cars were once defined by wonderful engines and unique interiors. Sadly, no longer the case.
Unless I'm mistaken, BMWs have always had pretty dreary engines across the board, but they've also had some gems in there as well.Oh BMW, how do did you lose your way so badly?
Your cars were once defined by wonderful engines and unique interiors. Sadly, no longer the case.
The way I'm reading posts on here about BMW losing their way etc it would be as if they no longer make any straight 6 engines, which they do. It's just the names are changing. The most hilarious one was people moaning about the new 330i not having a straight 6 and it's sacrilegious etc....completely ignoring the face they make a 340i
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