RE: BMW announces X2 M35i
Discussion
treeroy said:
When did BMW become so boring? All their cars are the same, they're pushing more FWD, and their cars all seem very dull.
People keep buying Audis if which most sales are FWD versions, the A-class has proven to be exceptionally popular in the hackback segment, and BMW did some market research and found that most people don’t even know their cars are RWD, which proves to BMW that Average Joe and Jane just don’t care. Thus, chasing that dollar, BMW are moving to the cheaper drive option. It’s also very easy to create impressive acceleration numbers with 4/AWD which BMW can use to imply “progress” in their fleet. And of course their marketing team can use it to say that they’re making their fleet safer for everyone. Sigh. 
treeroy said:
When did BMW become so boring? All their cars are the same, they're pushing more FWD, and their cars all seem very dull.
Just the same regurgitated trash isn't it. If we've got to have 4 cylinder engines can't they at least try to be interesting and give us a boxer/flat layout or something. Mercedes now way more desirable to me, was the other way round 10+ years ago.telecat said:
It's a Nice Mini Countryman Cooper S but that market will want a manual. I foresee the roads packed with faux SUV's all struggling to get though snowy roads but everybody can see into next doors garden while taking no notice of the road ahead. Probably kill off Older drivers as they won't be able to get in either.
Funny you mention this.Was on a bike ride near Stamford this morning. Every car that passed me out that way was an SUV of some sort.
Plug Life said:
Perfect school run car for yummy mummies and dynamic dads.
Indeed. Although you say that is if it's a bad thing? You've just stated it's perfect for a demographic, and a manufacturer is making a car for said demographic to make them money, so they stay in business. Sounds like a good thing to me.E65Ross said:
Stu-C123 said:
Another nameless, faceless car from another manufacturer that seems to be trying to flood the market with endless variations of an already mind-boggling model range. Long gone are the days when 3 meant small, 5 meant medium, 7 meant large and anything with an M on it was something really special.
And it looks the same as just about every other SUV on the market.
Just as well those days are gone. These days we have more choice. You can still get small (1/2/3) medium (5) and large (7) if one likes, but we also have other stuff to choose from as well.And it looks the same as just about every other SUV on the market.
It's almost as if people think choice is a bad thing? If one model doesn't suit your needs....don't buy it. Just because a manufacturer is catering for what other people want, then why shouldn't they make it?
"Of course it will sell well"
That is the point, BMW make what people want, not sure why it offends so many on here, if you dont like that car, buy a different one !
Just because its a car and its got a fairly powerful engine doesn't mean you have to approve of it and rant about the injustice of it, its like going into Miss Selfridge and moaning that there are trousers there you dont like, that dont fit you, because they are for women.
Everyone seems to think they know better than BMW, that they have an impression that BMW just make sporty cars for enthusiasts, they dont, they make some of them and they make millions of run of the mill cars as well and they make what will sell, I am sure PH would spoff itself into a frenzy over a line of remade classic M cars from the past but it wont happen as nobody would buy them compared to an X2 so its not worth the investment.
And the "M" brand, making out like its so precious and is being devalued, well guess what its a letter, and BMW use it to flog cars, it really doesnt matter in the scheme of things, "Only us special people should have a letter M on our special cars, not normal people with their boring cars", who gives a flying toss, they still make the actual M cars, but then people moan they arent as good as they used to be, it was better when it had more cylinders, except that time when it had less cylinders.
That is the point, BMW make what people want, not sure why it offends so many on here, if you dont like that car, buy a different one !
Just because its a car and its got a fairly powerful engine doesn't mean you have to approve of it and rant about the injustice of it, its like going into Miss Selfridge and moaning that there are trousers there you dont like, that dont fit you, because they are for women.
Everyone seems to think they know better than BMW, that they have an impression that BMW just make sporty cars for enthusiasts, they dont, they make some of them and they make millions of run of the mill cars as well and they make what will sell, I am sure PH would spoff itself into a frenzy over a line of remade classic M cars from the past but it wont happen as nobody would buy them compared to an X2 so its not worth the investment.
And the "M" brand, making out like its so precious and is being devalued, well guess what its a letter, and BMW use it to flog cars, it really doesnt matter in the scheme of things, "Only us special people should have a letter M on our special cars, not normal people with their boring cars", who gives a flying toss, they still make the actual M cars, but then people moan they arent as good as they used to be, it was better when it had more cylinders, except that time when it had less cylinders.
There's some garbage in the comments.
An M Sport is just a trim level. No different to an Audi S-line.
It's not a dilution of the M Brand, they're entirely different cars, halo versions of the base model that have little in common.
An M Sport is there for someone who doesn't want an SE. They want bucket style seats, side skirts, bigger wheels, a few sporty accents, lower stiffer suspension. That's pretty much it.
X2 Msport is different to X2M.
I love BMW's and BMW straight sixes. But when complaining about the lack of one in this, think about who else, other than the other 2 Germans, make something this size, with over 300bhp.
None of the generics like Mazda, Nissan, Ford, Renault, Pug, Fiat Etc come close. They're all churning our wheeze worthy shopping carts.
The Audi SQ3 is similar. The Merc AMG isn't - that would be a rival for an X2M, this isn't an X2M
Is there serious talk about the next 1 series being fwd?
I'd think they'd lose sales with that. It's USP has always been that it's the only RWD hatch in its sector. Make it FWD and then customers will have to look at all the other FWD cars in the sector and decide if it's worth it.
Tbh, is we're talking a poverty spec 116, if it changes to FWD, I'd buy a Focus instead and I'm a BMW fan and owner!
An M Sport is just a trim level. No different to an Audi S-line.
It's not a dilution of the M Brand, they're entirely different cars, halo versions of the base model that have little in common.
An M Sport is there for someone who doesn't want an SE. They want bucket style seats, side skirts, bigger wheels, a few sporty accents, lower stiffer suspension. That's pretty much it.
X2 Msport is different to X2M.
I love BMW's and BMW straight sixes. But when complaining about the lack of one in this, think about who else, other than the other 2 Germans, make something this size, with over 300bhp.
None of the generics like Mazda, Nissan, Ford, Renault, Pug, Fiat Etc come close. They're all churning our wheeze worthy shopping carts.
The Audi SQ3 is similar. The Merc AMG isn't - that would be a rival for an X2M, this isn't an X2M
Is there serious talk about the next 1 series being fwd?
I'd think they'd lose sales with that. It's USP has always been that it's the only RWD hatch in its sector. Make it FWD and then customers will have to look at all the other FWD cars in the sector and decide if it's worth it.
Tbh, is we're talking a poverty spec 116, if it changes to FWD, I'd buy a Focus instead and I'm a BMW fan and owner!
E65Ross said:
Wills2 said:
E65Ross said:
Wills2 said:
What was bad about the E30 316i?
The engine was hardly great, which is what I was alluring too (if you see the 1st post in your quotes which I said 
)On your wider point regarding BMW not been known for making good engines, I think that's one of the things they are known for, their modern diesels like the 35/40d generally have the legs on the competition, the straight 6s were/are superb and a BMW signature, the M engines all have a terrific appetite for revs the S85/65 are stunning and same is said of the e39 5.0V8 and that's before you get into the motorsport stuff and the V12s etc....
Since the engine of the year award started back in 1999 BMW has won 62 award nearly twice the nearest competitor.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 7th September 18:00
J4CKO said:
FWD done well is great, reckon the M140i or whatever it gets called will be 4wd anyway, which is great as my M135i doesn't know whether to go for a piss or a haircut in the wet, never mind snow.
Surprised to hear that. Mine was brilliant in the wet, incredibly tractable. It was perhaps more fun in the wet actually and had quite predictable / benigne handling.I can't help feeling the big 3 are losing the plot. It used to be that BMW made very good cars, excellent handling, and lovely engines with subdued and classy interiors that were a masterpiece in simplicity.
I really don't know what's happened. BMW's are cheap looking flashy things with poor engineering, and a ethos that seems to shout loudly about nothing. And this car is the worst. FWD tosh (and I haven't driven one, and I hope I never will).
Yet despite this, they seem to be selling more than ever - you can't move for BM, Merc or VAG. Surely they are funding their current sales with the reputation of yesterday, and sooner or later this has to bite them in the arse.
I've had various BM's over the years, and I'm quite a fan of the older models, but I'm never ever going to buy one from the last 10 years, nor one of the current crop. I'd have a Hyundai in preference.
Surely it can't end well??
I really don't know what's happened. BMW's are cheap looking flashy things with poor engineering, and a ethos that seems to shout loudly about nothing. And this car is the worst. FWD tosh (and I haven't driven one, and I hope I never will).
Yet despite this, they seem to be selling more than ever - you can't move for BM, Merc or VAG. Surely they are funding their current sales with the reputation of yesterday, and sooner or later this has to bite them in the arse.
I've had various BM's over the years, and I'm quite a fan of the older models, but I'm never ever going to buy one from the last 10 years, nor one of the current crop. I'd have a Hyundai in preference.
Surely it can't end well??
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