Modern BMWs - The ultimate upperclass chav machine

[SidewaysSi]

Deep Thought said:

Shiv_P said:

E90s I agree with, always seem to be driven by chavs especially the lesser 318/320i/d models. Most will probably blow up with timing chain issues in a few years anyway

And only well balanced, discerning types drive Focus STs then?

I would rather drive a 318 than a Focus ST.

[Wills2]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

C70R said:

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

The only reason I will never own a BMW is because of how they're typically driven ...
You only have to watch Youtube channels like UK Dashcams etc to see what sort of muppetry goes on - the clips where you think 'Fuuuuuck ' is usually either a BMW or Audi.

Thank you.
You have helped me to realise that you're a moron without having to read any more of your posts. I just can't get my head around how stupid someone would have to be to try and generalise about drivers of the 5th highest selling manufacturer in the UK.

How rude

Oh, you're a BMW driver. Figures... Carry on.

Well if you're going come out with stupid statements expect people to join the dots and conclude you're an imbecile.

[Mr Tidy]

Brilliant - I'll be watching this thread for ages I reckon!

I've never been "upperclass" and stopped wearing white socks in the 80s, so probably not a chav either!

But I've had BMWs for the last 13 years!

Because I like RWD driver's cars, and nobody else has really done that recently.

My 1st car was a MK2 Cortina, followed by a Fiat 125, Rover P6B 3500S, MK2 Granada Ghia, MK2 Escort RS2000, Capri 2.8 Injection, Cavalier Sportshatch, Capri Injection, Granada Scorpio, Mercedes 280e.....! You get the idea.

Still my E9* daily is an E91 so as it's a Touring possibly not as chav? But I like it, so don't really care!

[Chestrockwell]

I’m quite young, I wear trainers and have a 4 series, I acknowledge people feel that way towards me, I’d play music quietly right, not loud at all, but because mine has Harmon kardon, you can always hear the base and it’s never loud but it’s enough to turn a head or 2, I’d get looked at, probably judged, so what do I do? Press sport plus, slot the gearbox to the left and be sure to floor it off until I reach the speed limit, allowing a small amount of wheelspin, the longer the stare, the more wheelspin

That’s just at normal places where people walk past, I always get looked at in petrol stations, not like I’m walking around with my Johnson in my hand but whenever I pull up or someone pulls up, I always get a look, a weird one, maybe of intimidation, especially by people with ‘inferior’ cars, 95% of the time, every time.

As for people saying BMW’s aren’t what they used to be, I completely agree, you could almost say they have lost their way, I’ve driven a few 90’s BMW’s and a few E46’s, they don’t make them like that anymore but what people fail to understand is, while they don’t, if you look around and drive the equivalents of any BMW, the BMW will be far superior so, in conclusion, BMW’s are still as good as they were 20 years ago compared to the competition. Give me a E34 M5 over a W124 500E any day of the week.

BMW’s are the people’s car manufacturer, I’m glad, I see so many M140i’s on the road now, everywhere and it’s nice to see people get to experience these incredible machines for a low cost, it’s 2018, you can go BMW tomorrow and buy a brand new or nearly new 3.0 turbo straight 6 for less than 30 grand with all the kit you need, where else can you do that? Why do people hate BMW and their drivers, were just here to enjoy driving!

Edited by Chestrockwell on Wednesday 12th September 01:45

[Mike335i]

Anti BMW views (in my experience) are generally based on either

1.envy - "flash git comments";

2.'received wisdom' about BMW drivers - everyone says BMW drivers are aggressive so they must be. Let's not allow facts and/or reason get it the way and rely on YouTube videos for evidence etc ;

3.not liking German products - because of the war or football or some other nonsensical views that form xenophobia;

4. Loyalty to other brands - spending lots of money on, let's say for arguments sake a Jaguar, is not going to endear you to its rivals;

5. A very small minority have heard some widely publicised problems on the Internet and assume that all BMWs are unreliable. Conveniently forgetting that EVERY manufacturer has a similar array of 'common issues'.

[stumpage]

Mike335i said:

Anti BMW views (in my experience) are generally based on either

1.envy - "flash git comments";

2.'received wisdom' about BMW drivers - everyone says BMW drivers are aggressive so they must be. Let's not allow facts and/or reason get it the way and rely on YouTube videos for evidence etc ;

3.not liking German products - because of the war or football or some other nonsensical views that form xenophobia;

4. Loyalty to other brands - spending lots of money on, let's say for arguments sake a Jaguar, is not going to endear you to its rivals;

5. A very small minority have heard some widely publicised problems on the Internet and assume that all BMWs are unreliable. Conveniently forgetting that EVERY manufacturer has a similar array of 'common issues'.

Or people that have had one from new for 3 years and was glad to see the back of it when it came to replacement time.

[Mike335i]

stumpage said:

Or people that have had one from new for 3 years and was glad to see the back of it when it came to replacement time.

Do you hate the whole brand because you didn't like the car you had? Or do you not like the car you had? I had a bad Peugeot once, doesn't mean I hate the brand and the people that drive them.

[Monkeylegend]

ntiz said:

All this stereotyping stuff is such bullst. You can apply a bad stereotype to any car you like if want to.

Ferrari: Chav lottery winners and footballers

Bentley: Orange people and footballers

Lambo: You like to drive around Knightsbridge revving the tits off it.

Aston Martin: man child 007 wanna bee.

Rolls Royce: Gangsta rapper.

Range Rover: Drug dealer or rapper.

All of these are un true for 99% of owners and most people don't think that way about brands. You can twist anything to have a bad image if you want. On the flip side you could say nice things about all of the above as well. It says more about you than the cars that you stereotype.

Careful, Audemars will be rushing to change his made up garage

And he won't have a clue what to put in it next.

Edited by Monkeylegend on Wednesday 12th September 09:10

[ntiz]

Chestrockwell said:

I’m quite young, I wear trainers and have a 4 series, I acknowledge people feel that way towards me, I’d play music quietly right, not loud at all, but because mine has Harmon kardon, you can always hear the base and it’s never loud but it’s enough to turn a head or 2, I’d get looked at, probably judged, so what do I do? Press sport plus, slot the gearbox to the left and be sure to floor it off until I reach the speed limit, allowing a small amount of wheelspin, the longer the stare, the more wheelspin

That’s just at normal places where people walk past, I always get looked at in petrol stations, not like I’m walking around with my Johnson in my hand but whenever I pull up or someone pulls up, I always get a look, a weird one, maybe of intimidation, especially by people with ‘inferior’ cars, 95% of the time, every time.

Edited by Chestrockwell on Wednesday 12th September 01:45

So lets get this straight you basically drive around with your bass turned up a bit too high then wheel spin away to prove your awesomeness to the people who have given you a glance because you have just turned up with your bass banging away.

Then you think that people are intimidated by your diesel 4 series. This seems a tad unlikely or you are a little bit of a knob.

Have I just taken the bait or is whoosh parrot due?

I have to ask who is this Audemers I have seen him referenced in a few threads now?

[Mike335i]

ntiz said:

So lets get this straight you basically drive around with your bass turned up a bit too high then wheel spin away to prove your awesomeness to the people who have given you a glance because you have just turned up with your bass banging away.

Then you think that people are intimidated by your diesel 4 series. This seems a tad unlikely or you are a little bit of a knob.

Have I just taken the bait or is whoosh parrot due?

I have to ask who is this Audemers I have seen him referenced in a few threads now?

I assumed it was a joke, but you have got me wondering now! Surely this can't be serious?

[anonymous-user]

av185 said:

BMW bottom.

Vauxhall a highly placed seventh.

Speaks volumes.

130i, water pump failed at 100K, E90 M3 throttle bodies failed at 65K (warranty), 320d zip. They've been as good as anything else I have owned and drive better than most of the other options in their segment. The term 'chav' could be applied to anything and anyone. A brand new Mclaren wrapped in gold IMO is no better, similarly a pink Range Rover. Does that make the cars 'chav machines', nope, it's just what some want to do with their property and you know what, good on them. It's the usual dimwits on here generalising and ultimately not happy with their lot. The OP, his mate, if he exists should buy what makes him happy.

BTW does Audemars actually own any of the cars he has listed, I missed the memo.........

[Monkeylegend]

Chestrockwell said:

I’m quite young,

BMW’s are the people’s car manufacturer,

Edited by Chestrockwell on Wednesday 12th September 01:45

You need to swat up on your history.

[Monkeylegend]

yonex said:

BTW does Audemars actually own any of the cars he has listed, I missed the memo.........

A tub of birds would prove us wrong

[lyonspride]

My neighbours are chavs, f**king dss renters, chav anthems 2018 belting out at 5am in the morning, kids trash the street and throw rubbish and human waste all over the place..... They just got a poo brown BMW 3 or 5 series, no more than a few years old.
It's driven up and down the street at stupid speed, and they seem to be obsessed with testing the horn, the radio and also the suspension by standing in the boot, grabbing the tailgate and jumping up/down

Honestly, if it's new you'll see some slimy salesman type in a suit, if it's more than a couple years old, then it's usually some undesirable in a tracksuit and a baseball hat. BUT you can say exactly the same about Audi and Mercedes too. I used to be surprised at the state of the people driving these cars, but i'm gradually realising it's the norm.

As for reliability of these cars, ask yourself whether these manufacturers might want to discourage these types of owners from purchasing them. with high service costs, high parts costs and poor long term reliability (5+ years) worse than a Fiat or Alfa.
Every chav that buy one of them, damages the image of the brand and they know their most valued customers wouldn't be seen dead in one more than a few years old.

[popeyewhite]

Wills2 said:

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

C70R said:

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

The only reason I will never own a BMW is because of how they're typically driven ...
You only have to watch Youtube channels like UK Dashcams etc to see what sort of muppetry goes on - the clips where you think 'Fuuuuuck ' is usually either a BMW or Audi.

Thank you.
You have helped me to realise that you're a moron without having to read any more of your posts. I just can't get my head around how stupid someone would have to be to try and generalise about drivers of the 5th highest selling manufacturer in the UK.

How rude

Oh, you're a BMW driver. Figures... Carry on.

Well if you're going come out with stupid statements expect people to join the dots and conclude you're an imbecile.

Irony. Obviously not worried about conforming to stereotype.

Why does it appear many BMW supporters are so humourless?

[Monkeylegend]

lyonspride said:

Every chav that buy one of them, damages the image of the brand and they know their most valued customers wouldn't be seen dead in one more than a few years old.

What better way than persuading customers to change cars every 3 years or so then. Seems to me the manufacturers are on to a winner.

[stumpage]

Mike335i said:

stumpage said:

Or people that have had one from new for 3 years and was glad to see the back of it when it came to replacement time.

Do you hate the whole brand because you didn't like the car you had? Or do you not like the car you had? I had a bad Peugeot once, doesn't mean I hate the brand and the people that drive them.

I can never understand how anyone can 'hate' a car brand, so no I don't hate the brand. I can just never understand why there are so many people who think BMW's are the best thing on the roads.

I have driven many BMW's over the years, petrol, diesel, M Cars, X5...2 Series Active Tourer (Let's not dwell on that one) and every time got out of them wondering what all the fuss is about. There was one exception though the E46 (had to look that up) M3 CSL.

They are a good car, but so are many others on the road. Do BMW make the best handling saloon on the road today? Do they have the best build quality? Best reliability? I don't think today you can say yes to any of those questions. Back in the 80's (yes I'm getting on) they were a class above but they were priced that way. Order a 3 series in the mid 80s and you had to pay extra for a radio. Not today.

So I cannot see why there is such love for them.

[fido]

Monkeylegend said:

Chestrockwell said:

I’m quite young,

BMW’s are the people’s car manufacturer,

You need to swat up on your history.

I am a BMW-driver (albeit M3 Coupe) but I loathe the image and take every opportunity to USE THE INDICATORS and I do not tailgate people in the outside lane. Be like me. Be a good BMW owner. An i30N will be on the cards soon (to replace the MX-5) and I can't wait to drive something no one notices or detests.

[RobM77]

yonex said:

av185 said:

BMW bottom.

Vauxhall a highly placed seventh.

Speaks volumes.

130i, water pump failed at 100K, E90 M3 throttle bodies failed at 65K (warranty), 320d zip. They've been as good as anything else I have owned and drive better than most of the other options in their segment. The term 'chav' could be applied to anything and anyone. A brand new Mclaren wrapped in gold IMO is no better, similarly a pink Range Rover. Does that make the cars 'chav machines', nope, it's just what some want to do with their property and you know what, good on them. It's the usual dimwits on here generalising and ultimately not happy with their lot. The OP, his mate, if he exists should buy what makes him happy.

BTW does Audemars actually own any of the cars he has listed, I missed the memo.........

Does JD Power just track reliability? Most of these surveys include other subjective measures, such as customer satisfaction. Plus, as I said earlier, BMW seem to have a very generous attitude to warranty replacements (my Dad got a new gearbox because he mentioned it was a little sticky when cold!).

[av185]

lyonspride said:

My neighbours are chavs, f**king dss renters, chav anthems 2018 belting out at 5am in the morning, kids trash the street and throw rubbish and human waste all over the place..... They just got a poo brown BMW 3 or 5 series, no more than a few years old.

Honestly, if it's new you'll see some slimy salesman type in a suit, if it's more than a couple years old, then it's usually some undesirable in a tracksuit and a baseball hat. BUT you can say exactly the same about Audi and Mercedes too. I used to be surprised at the state of the people driving these cars, but i'm gradually realising it's the norm.

Every chav that buy one of them, damages the image of the brand and they know their most valued customers wouldn't be seen dead in one more than a few years old.

Yep Audi BMW and Merc are unquestionably the chav chariot of choice these days for sure.

Unfortunately these one time premium marques are now no more than white goods cattle class euroboxes with broadly no better driving dynamics and capabilities above the increasingly rare and substantially cheaper Ford's and Vauxhalls of this world. Driven by every person and his/her dog it is quite hilarious to see how pcp has essentially allowed the have nots council class sink estate chavs access to these one time essentially well engineered cars.

Was it just a couple of years back that Mercedes had the bright idea to appoint Tini Tempah fake rappa innit bruv as their brand ambassador who featured in TV adverts pushing their latest aggressively styled eurobox (a la BMW) largely towards the snowflake pcp chav generation.

Advertising certainly got the desired result.