Modern BMWs - The ultimate upperclass chav machine

[loose cannon]

Apparently cool people don’t drive cars at all

[av185]

nikaiyo2 said:

Driver101 said:

What do the cool cats drive these days?

Just about every car has been ruled out due to image issues. What's left?

Edited by Driver101 on Monday 10th September 21:29

Singer?

[Audemars]

Modern BMWs are at the bottom of reliability surveys after Land Rover.

Not only are they unreliable and but they depreciate heavily. M3/M4 owners losing £35k in 3 yrs is the norm it would appear.

What I find really absurd is how owners would not own a BMW without a £1k per year warranty after 3 yrs.

Good cars????

Youtube BMW videos and meets amd just look at the owners.

BMW, Audi and Range Rover are the brands I avoid at all cost.

Edited by Audemars on Tuesday 11th September 09:29

[J4CKO]

Audemars said:

Modern BMWs are at the bottom of reliability surveys after Land Rover.

Not only are they unreliable and but they depreciate heavily. M3/M4 owners losing £35k in 3 yrs is the norm it would appear.

What I find really absurd is how owners would not own a BMW without a £1k per year warranty after 3 yrs.

Good cars????

Youtube BMW videos and meets amd just look at the owners.

BMW, Audi and Range Rover are the brands I avoid at all cost.

Edited by Audemars on Tuesday 11th September 09:29

Not in any surveys I have looked at recently,

https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-20...

Seem to be consistently in the top half, they arent paragons of reliability but they dont seem to be bottom ?

Of course any car that is aspirational is going to get some that are a bit over enthusiastic and do some knobby stuff, you arent going to get gangs of young lads in Honda Jazz's and Kia Sportages doing burnouts and generally being tits. Its *some* owners, same with Audis, for every white S Line diesel being a cocksocket there are legions of them just going about their business.

I think some that are hard of brains tend to buy certain cars and feel the need to live up to a stereotype.

Actually, I did flash someone to get out of lane 2 this morning, 45 miles and hour on a largely empty dual carriageway, after three roundabouts with him going to lane two I got bored, no reaction, didnt move so at the next one I accelerated past, but I expect that makes me a cock in a BMW, depends on your viewpoint !

Edited by J4CKO on Tuesday 11th September 09:47

[av185]

J4CKO said:

Audemars said:

Modern BMWs are at the bottom of reliability surveys after Land Rover.

Not only are they unreliable and but they depreciate heavily. M3/M4 owners losing £35k in 3 yrs is the norm it would appear.

What I find really absurd is how owners would not own a BMW without a £1k per year warranty after 3 yrs.

Good cars????

Youtube BMW videos and meets amd just look at the owners.

BMW, Audi and Range Rover are the brands I avoid at all cost.

Edited by Audemars on Tuesday 11th September 09:29

Not in any surveys I have looked at recently,

https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-20...

Seem to be consistently in the top half, they arent paragons of reliability but they dont seem to be bottom ?

BMW bottom.

Vauxhall a highly placed seventh.

Speaks volumes.

[CS Garth]

av185 said:

BMW bottom.

Vauxhall a highly placed seventh.

Speaks volumes.

The problem with these numbers is that they have no meaning to anyone with a modicum of analytical sense. A reported minor dashboard squeak has the same weight as the engine falling out.

I just put it down to the fact that people who buy these cars are, to a large extent, the sort of people who moan about food in restaurants in the hope of getting money off the bill

[J4CKO]

CS Garth said:

av185 said:

BMW bottom.

Vauxhall a highly placed seventh.

Speaks volumes.

The problem with these numbers is that they have no meaning to anyone with a modicum of analytical sense. A reported minor dashboard squeak has the same weight as the engine falling out.

I just put it down to the fact that people who buy these cars are, to a large extent, the sort of people who moan about food in restaurants in the hope of getting money off the bill

Being bottom isnt great whatever the reason but would like to see what the issues are, is it people buying BMWs are more fussy, are they generally bigger, more complex cars or are they just plain old unreliable ?

Mine seems fine so far, I am pretty easily pleased after an 17 year old TT though.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

The only reason I will never own a BMW is because of how they're typically driven - Outside lane forcing people out of the way, dangerous overtakes, general arrogant attitude & dickish behavior on the road.

Recent accidents in our family:
Wife - BMW pulled out of side road right in front of my wife. Wife emergency stopped only for the BMW give it too many beans and oversteer into the side of her.
Me - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me slowing to let someone come up a narrow lane. He was going way too fast, braked hard, swerved to avoid me and destroyed some old ladies stone wall (and his car lol).
Me again - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me stopping at a T junction to turn right and went into the back of me.
Son - (he has a black box so sadly for BMW drivers has to stick to speed limits causing much rage) - Mr BMW overtakes him in a 30 and ploughs into someone turning into the road from a side exit on the opposite side causing injuries to the other driver, ambulances needed etc.

You only have to watch Youtube channels like UK Dashcams etc to see what sort of muppetry goes on - the clips where you think 'Fuuuuuck ' is usually either a BMW or Audi.

[RobM77]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

The only reason I will never own a BMW is because of how they're typically driven - Outside lane forcing people out of the way, dangerous overtakes, general arrogant attitude & dickish behavior on the road.

Recent accidents in our family:
Wife - BMW pulled out of side road right in front of my wife. Wife emergency stopped only for the BMW give it too many beans and oversteer into the side of her.
Me - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me slowing to let someone come up a narrow lane. He was going way too fast, braked hard, swerved to avoid me and destroyed some old ladies stone wall (and his car lol).
Me again - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me stopping at a T junction to turn right and went into the back of me.
Son - (he has a black box so sadly for BMW drivers has to stick to speed limits causing much rage) - Mr BMW overtakes him in a 30 and ploughs into someone turning into the road from a side exit on the opposite side causing injuries to the other driver, ambulances needed etc.

You only have to watch Youtube channels like UK Dashcams etc to see what sort of muppetry goes on - the clips where you think 'Fuuuuuck ' is usually either a BMW or Audi.

That's pure superstition. Look up the Skinner Pigeon experiment.

Alternatively, think of each time you're thinking of buying a specific make of car - you suddenly start spotting them everywhere, whereas you didn't before. The human mind is hard wired to see patterns, and the false positive rate is pretty high. It's why the Scientific Method has to be formalised; to stop us falling for stuff like that.

[anonymous-user]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

The only reason I will never own a BMW is because of how they're typically driven - Outside lane forcing people out of the way, dangerous overtakes, general arrogant attitude & dickish behavior on the road.

Recent accidents in our family:
Wife - BMW pulled out of side road right in front of my wife. Wife emergency stopped only for the BMW give it too many beans and oversteer into the side of her.
Me - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me slowing to let someone come up a narrow lane. He was going way too fast, braked hard, swerved to avoid me and destroyed some old ladies stone wall (and his car lol).
Me again - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me stopping at a T junction to turn right and went into the back of me.
Son - (he has a black box so sadly for BMW drivers has to stick to speed limits causing much rage) - Mr BMW overtakes him in a 30 and ploughs into someone turning into the road from a side exit on the opposite side causing injuries to the other driver, ambulances needed etc.

You only have to watch Youtube channels like UK Dashcams etc to see what sort of muppetry goes on - the clips where you think 'Fuuuuuck ' is usually either a BMW or Audi.

Does the Doofenschmirtz clan suffer from a gypsy curse ????

[CS Garth]

J4CKO said:

Being bottom isnt great whatever the reason but would like to see what the issues are, is it people buying BMWs are more fussy, are they generally bigger, more complex cars or are they just plain old unreliable ?

Mine seems fine so far, I am pretty easily pleased after an 17 year old TT though.

Absolutely - I’d like to see them group the issues into mechanical, drivetrain, tech etc. I think even paint defects count FFS.

Basically it’s media fodder for those who get their news from Facebook.

[stumpage]

JaredVannett said:

I started asking him if was a specific generation of BMWs, E46, E90, F30 but he looked gone out as if I was throwing food additive e-numbers at him.

I would look the same, never can get my head around the BMW model numbers game everytime an E,F,G number is thrown out in PH I have to google it. All I know off the top of my head is the one I had was an F10.

[J4CKO]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

The only reason I will never own a BMW is because of how they're typically driven - Outside lane forcing people out of the way, dangerous overtakes, general arrogant attitude & dickish behavior on the road.

Recent accidents in our family:
Wife - BMW pulled out of side road right in front of my wife. Wife emergency stopped only for the BMW give it too many beans and oversteer into the side of her.
Me - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me slowing to let someone come up a narrow lane. He was going way too fast, braked hard, swerved to avoid me and destroyed some old ladies stone wall (and his car lol).
Me again - Mr BMW couldn't comprehend me stopping at a T junction to turn right and went into the back of me.
Son - (he has a black box so sadly for BMW drivers has to stick to speed limits causing much rage) - Mr BMW overtakes him in a 30 and ploughs into someone turning into the road from a side exit on the opposite side causing injuries to the other driver, ambulances needed etc.

You only have to watch Youtube channels like UK Dashcams etc to see what sort of muppetry goes on - the clips where you think 'Fuuuuuck ' is usually either a BMW or Audi.

Hmm, common factor other than BMW's in this ?

Four recent accidents, is that just the ones involving BMW's ?

[RobM77]

JaredVannett said:

Do you agree/disagree that BMW no longer has the image it once did?

Quite a significant number of people buy cars based on image, because that's all they've got to go on. As an analogy, I know nothing about how shoes are made, so I buy on comfort, prior experience, and what they look like. People like the guy you describe think like that about cars. What's annoying is when they assume everyone else thinks like them.

Personally I buy BMWs (I'm on my 6th) because they're rear drive, you can get a decent suspension setup without paying out for a big, heavy and thirsty engine, and manuals are common on the secondhand market. I need a four seater car with an accessible low roof rack and a decent boot, and I can't think of any other car that does all those things. My Dad's on his third BMW in a row now, and he buys for entirely different reasons again.

Stereotyping sucks - with a car as common as a BMW, there's no such thing as a typical owner. Perhaps for a Caterham or Elise, but certainly not a 3 series, Mondeo etc. Same with Apple phones - the common and easy way to identify yourself as an idiot is to claim everyone buys them for the image.

[toohuge]

J4CKO said:

CS Garth said:

av185 said:

BMW bottom.

Vauxhall a highly placed seventh.

Speaks volumes.

The problem with these numbers is that they have no meaning to anyone with a modicum of analytical sense. A reported minor dashboard squeak has the same weight as the engine falling out.

I just put it down to the fact that people who buy these cars are, to a large extent, the sort of people who moan about food in restaurants in the hope of getting money off the bill

Being bottom isnt great whatever the reason but would like to see what the issues are, is it people buying BMWs are more fussy, are they generally bigger, more complex cars or are they just plain old unreliable ?

Mine seems fine so far, I am pretty easily pleased after an 17 year old TT though.

Those numbers are not particularly useful.....

Considering companies that share parts and engines etc are spread so far apart! How are Peugeot and Citroen so far apart?

What about the VAG group - skoda near the top , Audi near the bottom and vw way down.... perhaps the guys from Audi ought to pay skoda a visit and see how it’s done

[Europa1]

OP, out of interest, how would your colleague classify Audi?

[RobM77]

CS Garth said:

J4CKO said:

Being bottom isnt great whatever the reason but would like to see what the issues are, is it people buying BMWs are more fussy, are they generally bigger, more complex cars or are they just plain old unreliable ?

Mine seems fine so far, I am pretty easily pleased after an 17 year old TT though.

Absolutely - I’d like to see them group the issues into mechanical, drivetrain, tech etc. I think even paint defects count FFS.

Basically it’s media fodder for those who get their news from Facebook.

There may be lots of factors not immediately apparent. For example, my Dad bought a new E90 in 2007 and went into the dealer after a few weeks about a slightly sticky gearbox from cold. The dealer replaced the gearbox and the clutch with no questions asked. The new gearbox felt exactly the same - it was probably just a slight design/tolerances issue (solved with the LCI as far as I can tell), but probably got recorded as a failure. I'd be very surprised if Ford or Vauxhall would do that.

[stumpage]

toohuge said:

perhaps the guys from Audi ought to pay skoda a visit and see how it’s done

Skoda get the old tech passed down from Audi - VW - Skoda/Seat. Any problems will have been ironed out by Audi then VW before Skoda/Seat get it.

[dimots]

The 540i X-Drive in estate form is one of the nicest cars available at any price. That's all I have to add really.

[Shakermaker]

He should just get a new Skoda then? They're rather good these days. Get one in L&K spec for that knowledge that you've got enough money for a nice car, but don't really want to shout about it.