Modern BMWs - The ultimate upperclass chav machine
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J4CKO said:
I just enjoyed my chavmobile on some empty, dry roads, lovely cool and crisp evening so it felt really quite healthy, not that it doesnt normally but that extra bit of sharpness, it gives lovely wiggle as you get on the power and then howls freely round to the redline, gaining speed at a rate not that dissimilar to a 911 turbo from not all that long ago (its no longer standard). Then slow down a bit to let it cool down before we get home. I got an old fridge in it to go to the tip earlier, I dropped my wife and two mates off for a birthday meal, it will do 45 mpg if you are gentle, the ride is pretty good, the brakes are epic, the auto box is as good as I have tried and it fits in a normal parking space.
^^ This is the image that BMW owners and fans of BMWs residing in this forum wish to project. I selected a car that is functional in an everyday capacity, well built and performs well. J4CKO said:
But of course, cant really enjoy them as cars, purely a status symbol for us vain and shallow folk, one pay packet away from financial oblivion.
But this is the reality of modern BMW ownership, as observed with many many many examples out there on the streets of Britain.cb1965 said:
I don't get the whole snobbery with leasing .... surely if anyone can get themselves into a nice shiny new car by shelling out a monthly amount they can afford then fair play to them. End of subject for me! So what's wrong with it? What am I missing that makes it such a crime on here?
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
popeyewhite said:
e30m3Mark said:
popeyewhite said:
Brooking10 said:
popeyewhite said:
popeyewhite said:
Awful plate on that Porsche. Does anyone know what it's supposed to mean?
I guess that's a 'no' then. Makes you wonder why people bother.
TwinExit said:
J4CKO said:
I just enjoyed my chavmobile on some empty, dry roads, lovely cool and crisp evening so it felt really quite healthy, not that it doesnt normally but that extra bit of sharpness, it gives lovely wiggle as you get on the power and then howls freely round to the redline, gaining speed at a rate not that dissimilar to a 911 turbo from not all that long ago (its no longer standard). Then slow down a bit to let it cool down before we get home. I got an old fridge in it to go to the tip earlier, I dropped my wife and two mates off for a birthday meal, it will do 45 mpg if you are gentle, the ride is pretty good, the brakes are epic, the auto box is as good as I have tried and it fits in a normal parking space.
^^ This is the image that BMW owners and fans of BMWs residing in this forum wish to project. I selected a car that is functional in an everyday capacity, well built and performs well. J4CKO said:
But of course, cant really enjoy them as cars, purely a status symbol for us vain and shallow folk, one pay packet away from financial oblivion.
But this is the reality of modern BMW ownership, as observed with many many many examples out there on the streets of Britain.It just happened the car I wanted had a BMW badge, I bought it sort of in spite of, not because of that, my wife really wasnt keen due to the image of some BMW drivers but I am not going to not buy something because some owners are b it knobbish, would never buy a car if that was the case.
I am probably a knob, but for many other reasons
TwinExit said:
cb1965 said:
I don't get the whole snobbery with leasing .... surely if anyone can get themselves into a nice shiny new car by shelling out a monthly amount they can afford then fair play to them. End of subject for me! So what's wrong with it? What am I missing that makes it such a crime on here?
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
TwinExit said:
cb1965 said:
I don't get the whole snobbery with leasing .... surely if anyone can get themselves into a nice shiny new car by shelling out a monthly amount they can afford then fair play to them. End of subject for me! So what's wrong with it? What am I missing that makes it such a crime on here?
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
Yes, it is easier for the majority to finance a new 'premium' car, However, being wealthy doesn't exclude you from potentially being a 'chav' as you say. Smart people and smart wealthy people are making good use of cheap credit thanks to the rock bottom interests rates the last 9 years.
It sounds like you are sour or even angry that almost anyone can go and buy a car they want with their hard earned money thanks to finance. Do you buy your property out right in cash or do you pay it up in instalments over 20-30years.
Leasing (in most cases) makes the most sense when buying a new car. why would you want to buy a heavily depreciating asset out right when you can spread the cost over the term you want to keep the car or just pay monthly rentals.
neil1jnr said:
TwinExit said:
cb1965 said:
I don't get the whole snobbery with leasing .... surely if anyone can get themselves into a nice shiny new car by shelling out a monthly amount they can afford then fair play to them. End of subject for me! So what's wrong with it? What am I missing that makes it such a crime on here?
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
Yes, it is easier for the majority to finance a new 'premium' car, However, being wealthy doesn't exclude you from potentially being a 'chav' as you say. Smart people and smart wealthy people are making good use of cheap credit thanks to the rock bottom interests rates the last 9 years.
It sounds like you are sour or even angry that almost anyone can go and buy a car they want with their hard earned money thanks to finance. Do you buy your property out right in cash or do you pay it up in instalments over 20-30years.
Leasing (in most cases) makes the most sense when buying a new car. why would you want to buy a heavily depreciating asset out right when you can spread the cost over the term you want to keep the car or just pay monthly rentals.
TwinExit said:
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.
I think all that proves is that BMW have chosen to chase volumes rather than set themselves into the realms of "only rich people can afford one".I dont consider the vast bulk of BMWs to be aspirational. Maybe some people still do, but then those same people probably aspire to having a job.
For example, Mercedes have very clearly over the last 5-10 years changed tact and aimed themselves towards the younger / volume market.
Cars like pretty much everyones other outgoings - mortgage, mobile phone, electricity, gas, credit card payment - have been distilled down to a monthly payment. Not unreasonable as most people get paid monthly.
TwinExit said:
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.
As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
What a load of crap. As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
First point. It’s got sweet nothing to do with anyone else but the person who signs on the dotted line. Second point, linking BMW, or any manufacturer is just dumb, why, because you can get a finance deal from all of them. Thirdly, and most importantly, what does it matter exactly?
yonex said:
TwinExit said:
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.
As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
What a load of crap. As such, the demographic and income profile of the modern BMW driver has changed compared to 20 years back.
How does this connect to the stereotype of the car being driven/owned by chavs? The brand and halo models of the brand appeals to this very profile, and when a very accessible form of credit is introduced ,you have the situation we see today on the streets.
First point. It’s got sweet nothing to do with anyone else but the person who signs on the dotted line. Second point, linking BMW, or any manufacturer is just dumb, why, because you can get a finance deal from all of them. Thirdly, and most importantly, what does it matter exactly?
And 20 years ago the only real difference was that people were using HP deals rather than PCP deals so maybe had some equity in it. Its not like people were going in to their local dealers with a suitcase load of cash.
And the people who can now get a new car on a PCP deal were previously buying 3-4 year old stuff when it fell out of the dealer network to smaller indies.
Deep Thought said:
TwinExit said:
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.
I think all that proves is that BMW have chosen to chase volumes rather than set themselves into the realms of "only rich people can afford one".I dont consider the vast bulk of BMWs to be aspirational. Maybe some people still do, but then those same people probably aspire to having a job.
For example, Mercedes have very clearly over the last 5-10 years changed tact and aimed themselves towards the younger / volume market.
Cars like pretty much everyones other outgoings - mortgage, mobile phone, electricity, gas, credit card payment - have been distilled down to a monthly payment. Not unreasonable as most people get paid monthly.
Fortunately for them they have (much like Apple) very strong brand power, so it really matters not one bit to them if a huge proportion of their customers are not the of rich/gentry/wealth maker types anymore.
Currency knows no age, race, sex or creed.
J4CKO said:
Not wishing to project an image, have had other more distinctive cars so a One series, to my mind just blends in, its just a medium sized hatch not a declaration of my personal wealth and value system.
It just happened the car I wanted had a BMW badge, I bought it sort of in spite of, not because of that, my wife really wasnt keen due to the image of some BMW drivers but I am not going to not buy something because some owners are b it knobbish, would never buy a car if that was the case.
I am probably a knob, but for many other reasons
Sorry just to be clear I wasn't having a dig at you, it's just your 2 well written paragraphs perfectly illustrated the 2 sides of the fence in this thread.It just happened the car I wanted had a BMW badge, I bought it sort of in spite of, not because of that, my wife really wasnt keen due to the image of some BMW drivers but I am not going to not buy something because some owners are b it knobbish, would never buy a car if that was the case.
I am probably a knob, but for many other reasons
neil1jnr said:
popeyewhite said:
e30m3Mark said:
popeyewhite said:
Brooking10 said:
popeyewhite said:
popeyewhite said:
Awful plate on that Porsche. Does anyone know what it's supposed to mean?
I guess that's a 'no' then. Makes you wonder why people bother.TwinExit said:
J4CKO said:
Not wishing to project an image, have had other more distinctive cars so a One series, to my mind just blends in, its just a medium sized hatch not a declaration of my personal wealth and value system.
It just happened the car I wanted had a BMW badge, I bought it sort of in spite of, not because of that, my wife really wasnt keen due to the image of some BMW drivers but I am not going to not buy something because some owners are b it knobbish, would never buy a car if that was the case.
I am probably a knob, but for many other reasons
Sorry just to be clear I wasn't having a dig at you, it's just your 2 well written paragraphs perfectly illustrated the 2 sides of the fence in this thread.It just happened the car I wanted had a BMW badge, I bought it sort of in spite of, not because of that, my wife really wasnt keen due to the image of some BMW drivers but I am not going to not buy something because some owners are b it knobbish, would never buy a car if that was the case.
I am probably a knob, but for many other reasons
av185 said:
Yo!
Repost, but several people are suggesting this could actually be Yonex's Chavplate!
Seems a reasonable assumption having regard to his extreme defensive stance regarding Chavplates BMWs and other Chav related subjects.
Perhaps it will soon be seen 'gracing' his forthcoming 320d.
You do the Porsche brand no favours.Repost, but several people are suggesting this could actually be Yonex's Chavplate!
Seems a reasonable assumption having regard to his extreme defensive stance regarding Chavplates BMWs and other Chav related subjects.
Perhaps it will soon be seen 'gracing' his forthcoming 320d.
An idiot or chav can have any car, which is made even clearer by some in this thread, I have no idea what gives people the right mock peoples aspiration, whatever car they may be, says more about you than the person.
TwinExit said:
Deep Thought said:
TwinExit said:
Because paying in installments for 2-3 years does not necessarily mean you have the income to buy a 'premium/aspirational' brand of car outright like wealthy person could easily do.
I think all that proves is that BMW have chosen to chase volumes rather than set themselves into the realms of "only rich people can afford one".I dont consider the vast bulk of BMWs to be aspirational. Maybe some people still do, but then those same people probably aspire to having a job.
For example, Mercedes have very clearly over the last 5-10 years changed tact and aimed themselves towards the younger / volume market.
Cars like pretty much everyones other outgoings - mortgage, mobile phone, electricity, gas, credit card payment - have been distilled down to a monthly payment. Not unreasonable as most people get paid monthly.
Fortunately for them they have (much like Apple) very strong brand power, so it really matters not one bit to them if a huge proportion of their customers are not the of rich/gentry/wealth maker types anymore.
Currency knows no age, race, sex or creed.
And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
Deep Thought said:
Indeed
And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
Surely that applies to virtually every brand of manufacturer though?And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
I mean 20 or more likely 30 years ago would many have foreseen that Porsche, Ferrari (if the reports are true), Lamborghini (ignoring the LM002 for a moment), Bentley and RR would be making "mainstream" SUV's? with some of them rewarmed chassis from "lesser" brands? I doubt it.
Nearly all the manufacturers to some degree have started to chase "volume" and in doing so the UK is an "important source" of shifting units mostly on a financial basis of monthly payments.
Ultrafunkula said:
I think his point may have eluded you...
What was his point ?I’m still trying to process the reference to “the situation we see on the streets today “
It actually makes the issue of how people fund their cars sound like something of genuine importance.
What next , a Nancy Reagan style “Just say no !” type campaign funded the small minded denizens of PH in response as to this terrible scourge we see on the streets today ?
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th September 14:50
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