Modern BMWs - The ultimate upperclass chav machine
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Ninja59 said:
Deep Thought said:
Indeed
And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
Surely that applies to virtually every brand of manufacturer though?And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
I mean 20 or more likely 30 years ago would many have foreseen that Porsche, Ferrari (if the reports are true), Lamborghini (ignoring the LM002 for a moment), Bentley and RR would be making "mainstream" SUV's? with some of them rewarmed chassis from "lesser" brands? I doubt it.
Nearly all the manufacturers to some degree have started to chase "volume" and in doing so the UK is an "important source" of shifting units mostly on a financial basis of monthly payments.
Porsche dealers sell proportionately as many cars on finance as everybody else apparently.
Not only that but taking Porsche fininance is one of several boxes to be ticked in order to become a preferred customer.
The chavs !
Ninja59 said:
Deep Thought said:
Indeed
And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
Surely that applies to virtually every brand of manufacturer though?And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
I mean 20 or more likely 30 years ago would many have foreseen that Porsche, Ferrari (if the reports are true), Lamborghini (ignoring the LM002 for a moment), Bentley and RR would be making "mainstream" SUV's? with some of them rewarmed chassis from "lesser" brands? I doubt it.
Nearly all the manufacturers to some degree have started to chase "volume" and in doing so the UK is an "important source" of shifting units mostly on a financial basis of monthly payments.
Brooking10 said:
Ninja59 said:
Deep Thought said:
Indeed
And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
Surely that applies to virtually every brand of manufacturer though?And they've conciously made their product more accessible and appealing to larger markets.
I mean 20 or more likely 30 years ago would many have foreseen that Porsche, Ferrari (if the reports are true), Lamborghini (ignoring the LM002 for a moment), Bentley and RR would be making "mainstream" SUV's? with some of them rewarmed chassis from "lesser" brands? I doubt it.
Nearly all the manufacturers to some degree have started to chase "volume" and in doing so the UK is an "important source" of shifting units mostly on a financial basis of monthly payments.
Porsche dealers sell proportionately as many cars on finance as everybody else apparently.
Not only that but taking Porsche fininance is one of several boxes to be ticked in order to become a preferred customer.
The chavs !
Deep Thought said:
Ironically - as per what i posted several pages back - av185 has commented on another thread on how many Porsches now have chav plates, yet he sees chav plates as "evidence" of BMW being a chav brand?
With apologies to Baldrick one suspects AV files irony alongside bronzey and goldy........Brooking10 said:
Deep Thought said:
Ironically - as per what i posted several pages back - av185 has commented on another thread on how many Porsches now have chav plates, yet he sees chav plates as "evidence" of BMW being a chav brand?
With apologies to Baldrick one suspects AV files irony alongside bronzey and goldy........
I cant help but wonder why, given he appears to have enough Porsches that he could physically build a wall with them between his house and the Great Unwashed, he seems to go so far out of his way to be outraged by them?
I know chavs are out there, but i certainly dont go looking for evidence of their existence and prevalence as he seems to.
Brooking10 said:
What was his point ?
I’m still trying to process the reference to “the situation we see on the streets today “
It actually makes the issue of how people fund their cars sound like something of genuine importance.
What next , a Nancy Reagan style “Just say no !” type campaign funded the small minded denizens of PH in response as to this terrible scourge we see on the streets today ?
It's more that the easy finance boom has made cars once considered aspirational (like BMWs) within the grasp of people who previously wouldn't have been able to obtain them. This has changed the ownership base and reduced the brand image to the level that Ford was 20 years ago. Great for business, not so good for the brand image and it's most German car brands which suffer from this. I’m still trying to process the reference to “the situation we see on the streets today “
It actually makes the issue of how people fund their cars sound like something of genuine importance.
What next , a Nancy Reagan style “Just say no !” type campaign funded the small minded denizens of PH in response as to this terrible scourge we see on the streets today ?
Edited by Brooking10 on Tuesday 25th September 14:50
Not necessarily a problem I might add, but it contributes to the point of the thread IMO.
Ultrafunkula said:
Brooking10 said:
What was his point ?
I’m still trying to process the reference to “the situation we see on the streets today “
It actually makes the issue of how people fund their cars sound like something of genuine importance.
What next , a Nancy Reagan style “Just say no !” type campaign funded the small minded denizens of PH in response as to this terrible scourge we see on the streets today ?
It's more that the easy finance boom has made cars once considered aspirational (like BMWs) within the grasp of people who previously wouldn't have been able to obtain them. This has changed the ownership base and reduced the brand image to the level that Ford was 20 years ago. Great for business, not so good for the brand image and it's most German car brands which suffer from this. I’m still trying to process the reference to “the situation we see on the streets today “
It actually makes the issue of how people fund their cars sound like something of genuine importance.
What next , a Nancy Reagan style “Just say no !” type campaign funded the small minded denizens of PH in response as to this terrible scourge we see on the streets today ?
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th September 14:50
Not necessarily a problem I might add, but it contributes to the point of the thread IMO.
There has been a fundamental shift right across the industry as profit becomes harder to secure from the metal and volume takes precedence allied to switching profit to the finance provision.
What I don’t see, and am not saying you are advocating, is the need to continually sneer st the consumer who avails him or herself of the finance.
Ultrafunkula said:
Brooking10 said:
What was his point ?
I’m still trying to process the reference to “the situation we see on the streets today “
It actually makes the issue of how people fund their cars sound like something of genuine importance.
What next , a Nancy Reagan style “Just say no !” type campaign funded the small minded denizens of PH in response as to this terrible scourge we see on the streets today ?
It's more that the easy finance boom has made cars once considered aspirational (like BMWs) within the grasp of people who previously wouldn't have been able to obtain them. This has changed the ownership base and reduced the brand image to the level that Ford was 20 years ago. Great for business, not so good for the brand image and it's most German car brands which suffer from this. I’m still trying to process the reference to “the situation we see on the streets today “
It actually makes the issue of how people fund their cars sound like something of genuine importance.
What next , a Nancy Reagan style “Just say no !” type campaign funded the small minded denizens of PH in response as to this terrible scourge we see on the streets today ?
Edited by Brooking10 on Tuesday 25th September 14:50
Not necessarily a problem I might add, but it contributes to the point of the thread IMO.
Whilst you describe it as "easy finance" its a repackaging of the selling of cars to make it more palatable. Who wants an outlay of say £15,000 every 3 years or so to keep your car up to date when you can simply pay a monthly payment to cover your depreciation and warranty?
Edited by Deep Thought on Tuesday 25th September 16:23
Deep Thought said:
It affects most german cars, because they benefit most from the move from outright purchase to monthly payment. Why drive a humble Mondeo when you can drive a 3 series for £20 a month more? When its £5,000 extra of hard earned cash or HP payment then the Ford used to win the argument, when its a small adjustment of the monthly payment then the BMW has won....
Whilst you describe it as "easy finance" its a repackaging of the selling of cars to make it more palatable. Who wants an outlay of say £15,000 every 3 years or so to keep your car up to date when you can simply pay a monthly payment to cover your depreciation and warranty?
I don't want to get involved in the finance vs cash argument which has broken out here once again, pick the one that suits you best. I'm simply offering a reason why BMW's can be seen as an 'upperclass chav machine', which is that finance has made it easier for some people to get hold of them, thus changing the brand image. Whilst you describe it as "easy finance" its a repackaging of the selling of cars to make it more palatable. Who wants an outlay of say £15,000 every 3 years or so to keep your car up to date when you can simply pay a monthly payment to cover your depreciation and warranty?
Edited by Deep Thought on Tuesday 25th September 16:23
av185 said:
Continuing the theme.
Random spot at the gym today.
Lots of free car parking spaces.
Not one but two illegally parked cars on double yellows causing numerous obstructions and preventing access to the disabled.
f
kwits.
No other brand of vehicle was similarly parked illegally.
Unsurprisingly, they are both BMWs.
Same thing happened outside my local David Lloyd. This time 2 Audi's & a BMW. Owners returned to find their bodywork had been keyed. When the owners moaned CCTV that happened to cover the gyms environs showed an elderly gent with a mobility scooter who having struggled to get through what was left of the pavement left for him for him to use, did an about turn, took some sort of implement out of his pocket & went past scratching each car as he went past. The owners insisted on the police being advised but refused to do so claiming they had no manpower to follow the matter up. The word around the club was that all the owners got was I believe a crime number. Random spot at the gym today.
Lots of free car parking spaces.
Not one but two illegally parked cars on double yellows causing numerous obstructions and preventing access to the disabled.
f
kwits.No other brand of vehicle was similarly parked illegally.
Unsurprisingly, they are both BMWs.
Keying cars parked on pavements & blocking access for pedestrians, especially those without the luxury of some poncy show-off vehicle, is fully justified in my view.
Ultrafunkula said:
Deep Thought said:
It affects most german cars, because they benefit most from the move from outright purchase to monthly payment. Why drive a humble Mondeo when you can drive a 3 series for £20 a month more? When its £5,000 extra of hard earned cash or HP payment then the Ford used to win the argument, when its a small adjustment of the monthly payment then the BMW has won....
Whilst you describe it as "easy finance" its a repackaging of the selling of cars to make it more palatable. Who wants an outlay of say £15,000 every 3 years or so to keep your car up to date when you can simply pay a monthly payment to cover your depreciation and warranty?
I don't want to get involved in the finance vs cash argument which has broken out here once again, pick the one that suits you best. I'm simply offering a reason why BMW's can be seen as an 'upperclass chav machine', which is that finance has made it easier for some people to get hold of them, thus changing the brand image. Whilst you describe it as "easy finance" its a repackaging of the selling of cars to make it more palatable. Who wants an outlay of say £15,000 every 3 years or so to keep your car up to date when you can simply pay a monthly payment to cover your depreciation and warranty?
Edited by Deep Thought on Tuesday 25th September 16:23
Deep Thought said:
WJNB said:
Keying cars parked on pavements & blocking access for pedestrians, especially those without the luxury of some poncy show-off vehicle, is fully justified in my view.
Absolutely no justification for it, ever, in my opinion.andharri said:
Deep Thought said:
WJNB said:
Keying cars parked on pavements & blocking access for pedestrians, especially those without the luxury of some poncy show-off vehicle, is fully justified in my view.
Absolutely no justification for it, ever, in my opinion.No one has the right to set themselves up as judge and executioner for whatever reason they deem to justify damaging someone elses property, and i think its particularly dangerous when people start condoning it.
Deep Thought said:
andharri said:
Deep Thought said:
WJNB said:
Keying cars parked on pavements & blocking access for pedestrians, especially those without the luxury of some poncy show-off vehicle, is fully justified in my view.
Absolutely no justification for it, ever, in my opinion.No one has the right to set themselves up as judge and executioner for whatever reason they deem to justify damaging someone elses property, and i think its particularly dangerous when people start condoning it.
andharri said:
Deep Thought said:
andharri said:
Deep Thought said:
WJNB said:
Keying cars parked on pavements & blocking access for pedestrians, especially those without the luxury of some poncy show-off vehicle, is fully justified in my view.
Absolutely no justification for it, ever, in my opinion.No one has the right to set themselves up as judge and executioner for whatever reason they deem to justify damaging someone elses property, and i think its particularly dangerous when people start condoning it.
So why is my opinion toilet paper?
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