RE: Ferrari F512M: Showpiece of the Week

[chappardababbar]

Arsecati said:

TIGA84 said:

Purely for the fact that even now, what 2 years on? Every time he posts a photo - it gets people talking about it, he then sells more cars.

Like it or not, its done its job and will continue to do so.

I'm afraid I'd have to disagree!

When my numbers come in (and yep, that is a 'when', not an 'if': I'm feeling particulary perky this afternoon!), I will absolutely fill up my dream garage with cars bought from any other dealership than Hartleys, purely because those stupid lake photos are so awful. I wouldn't even care less if they turned out to be offering the best deal on something - I would spend more elsewhere, just to make a point.

THAT is how much I hate those stupid photos!

Now, if we all just wait patiently for said numbers to finally come in....... then I shall go ahead and prove my point!

agree agree agree

[Agent57]

They perfected the Testarossa styling with the 512TR and then decided to ruin it with this.

I know others have said it before but I thought it within half a nano-second when the F512M was first launched.

Edited by Agent57 on Monday 17th September 22:12

[Chestrockwell]

I’m not an expert on classic Ferrari prices but I cannot help but think this is really over priced, of course a car is worth what somebody would pay for but 230 grand?! If I had the cash and wanted to purchase something that I could drive on the sunniest of days and have the car gain value, I’d much rather lump my money on a 16M Scuderia, I don’t see this 512M being worth any more than 230 grand any time soon, where as a 16M definitely would, I still can’t believe 599 GTO’s are nudging a million pounds! Unbelievable

[T74T]

Reading the advert it seems to have lost a few hundred horses over the years.

[Pericoloso]

Chestrockwell said:

I’m not an expert on classic Ferrari prices but I cannot help but think this is really over priced, of course a car is worth what somebody would pay for but 230 grand?! If I had the cash and wanted to purchase something that I could drive on the sunniest of days and have the car gain value, I’d much rather lump my money on a 16M Scuderia, I don’t see this 512M being worth any more than 230 grand any time soon, where as a 16M definitely would, I still can’t believe 599 GTO’s are nudging a million pounds! Unbelievable

Romans had a 16M recently for considerably more than 230K, more like 300K+.

It's gone now ,so someone's bought it.

[Its Just Adz]

suffolk009 said:

I know it's irrational, but I really do detest Hartley's pond photos.

Better than the competitor on a scruffy industrial estate.

[TooMany2cvs]

I don't think we're going to see the end of the puddle any time soon... They're very, VERY proud of it...

https://twitter.com/tomhartleycars/status/89940383...
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/93851/super...
https://www.supercar-driver.com/amorningwithtomhar...

[Resolutionary]

T74T said:

Reading the advert it seems to have lost a few hundred horses over the years.

The advert is a fking mess. Imagine listing something at £230k and stating that the 512 is turbocharged, makes 174hp and 295 lbs/ft, and is apparently white.

[Galsia]

The 512M is a complete mess and Tom Hartley's 'park it in a dirty puddle' sales technique isn't doing it any favours.

[pistolpedro]

I remember reading about the then new 512M in Autocar, great article the highlight was the journalist (Andrew Frankel?) chances upon a prototype of the the then unannounced F50 and gives chase, fantastic stuff and I always think of it whenever I see a red 512M

I may be mistaken but weren't TR wheels a no cost option at the time?

Edited by pistolpedro on Tuesday 18th September 17:06

[C70R]

Gregor-lun1d said:

it never ceases to amaze me how a supercar dealer who will know what "only ever used in the dry" means to a prospective purchaser will go and soak the underside of a car for the purposes of a mediocre photo opportunity.

genuine /facepalm stuff

Anybody who looks at that photo and considers that it might have had any impact on the long-term condition of the car should sit down and slap themselves.
How is it possible to get so worked up about a photo setting? It's just a bloody photograph...

Edited by C70R on Tuesday 18th September 17:07

[DP33]

What I love about reading PH comments / posts - no punch pulled. The 512M was simply not up to snuff: wheels, lights - front and rear just go to show how much better the original Testarossa looked.

Countach Anniversary vrs LP400 - same thing.

[Agent57]

Also just because something is rarer does not mean it is better or worth more.

[MX6]

Well I agree with many of the comments on this. The front/rear light and smily face grill changes on the 'M were something of a botched facelift, the 512 TR was a much better and more sutble styling update of the classic Testarossa.

I always much prefered staggered deep dish wheels like those of the F40 on a supercar of this period. The wheels of the Testarossa variants look a bit high offset and hatchbacky by comparison, with those of the 'M having a somewhat odd convex front face...

[Plate spinner]

That is one awkward looking Ferrari with a face only a mother could love.

[Pereldh]

What are you, blind..?

You honestly cannot see why the 512M is cheap..?

You write about the slats being out of fashion etc etc etc.. You MUST be blind or at least completely without taste.

Look at the "facelifted" front and rear, compared to the Testarossa or the TR.
IT*S HIDEOUS!!!!!!

[TooMany2cvs]

Pereldh said:

What are you, blind..?

You honestly cannot see why the 512M is cheap..?

You write about the slats being out of fashion etc etc etc.. You MUST be blind or at least completely without taste.

Look at the "facelifted" front and rear, compared to the Testarossa or the TR.
IT*S HIDEOUS!!!!!!

Y'know, this gets me thinking...

What's the price difference between a 512M and a TR or Testiclerossa?
How much would it cost to "de-facelift" the front and rear...?

[jk86]

Gameface said:

I'll be the first to say it...

The preceding 512TR was far better looking. Much more resolved design.

This one is a mess. Hideous wheels. Round rear lights don't gel. Fronts aren't much better.

A real backwards step IMO.

Edited by Gameface on Monday 17th September 12:25

Agreed! Its fugly...

[dog man]

Thats got Harry's name all over it!

[coppice]

Another shameless piece of recycling history from Marenello - the original 512M from 1970 is not just achingly gorgeous, but , with its cousin the 512S, sounds like a foretaste of heaven. It didn't often beat the Porsche 917 but whatever .

But this thing belongs to the Tipo Miami Vice school of Ferrari styling.