JLR on 3 day week

[btom]

And just to cover off the inevitable 'month does not maketh the year' jibe: J fiscal year to date = up 3% (to 83k), LR down 7% (to 203k).

[No ideas for a name]

adamcot said:

PP2 was the final pre production build phase. The brief to suppliers for this stage is that the cars are ‘fully saleable’. Therefore, certain retrofits may have occurred to finesse the car after production.

It’s normal for JLR to sell PP2 cars into the dealer network.

Edited by adamcot on Friday 2nd November 18:49

Thanks for the info... interestingly when they built mine they 'forgot' to fit the TV tuner and dual view screen. Its on the build sheet, but not on the car. It was also shown in the ad I purchased from. Dealer thinks that is fine.

I have been told the retro fit is not possible.

[amstrange1]

No ideas for a name said:

Dan_1981 said:

Pp is a pre-production build but not a prototype.

Is it on a reg plate starting V? Or an OY?

Thanks, maybe I have been misled a bit by CRC's comments today. I wasn't told it was a pre-production unit when sold, but I did find that out later.

Original reg was OW15....

That'll be an ex-management scheme or fleet vehicle then - they're Oxford registered.

[craigjm]

btom said:

And just to cover off the inevitable 'month does not maketh the year' jibe: J fiscal year to date = up 3% (to 83k), LR down 7% (to 203k).

Yes but If the sales not making any money they can sell millions and it won’t make a difference.

[BenjiS]

btom said:

What is it about Jaguar that gets people's goat?

The very British past-time of putting down British success.

[craigjm]

BenjiS said:

btom said:

What is it about Jaguar that gets people's goat?

The very British past-time of putting down British success.

I wasn’t putting them down. I have had new recent Tata Jags, I have a rare classic Jag and I’m in the owners club. The quarterly report is not good reading no matter what lens you look at it through.

[Sa Calobra]

BenjiS said:

The very British past-time of putting down British success.

Best not talk about their reliability record then.

[btom]

Sa Calobra said:

Best not talk about their reliability record then.

Why not? Compared to whom?

[greenarrow]

btom said:

Sa Calobra said:

Best not talk about their reliability record then.

Why not? Compared to whom?

JLR reliability isn't brilliant, but still better than some German brands that are beloved on here. In the 2018 UK JD Power reliability survey, Jaguar came 17th and LandRover 21st.

But by comparison however, Mercedes were 16th, Audi 23rd.and BMW 24th and last.

So yes, sadly, there is yet again an element of Brit bashing by Brits. German cars really do rule on Pistonheads.

I really don't understand why so many on this site relish putting the boot into Jaguar.

[Peter3442]

Perception and reputation are based more on what comes out of the propaganda machines and impressions from decades ago rather than on true information.

[Sa Calobra]

https://www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100

Google can throw up more.

Nothing to do with 'decades ago'.

[saaby93]

Sa Calobra said:

https://www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100

Google can throw up more.

Nothing to do with 'decades ago'.

Some of the models are middling

Look at this
https://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/searc...
Surely if you pay the earth for that youd exepct reliability to be way over at the green end stop

[craigjm]

greenarrow said:

In the 2018 UK JD Power reliability survey, Jaguar came 17th and LandRover 21st.

But by comparison however, Mercedes were 16th, Audi 23rd.and BMW 24th and last.

In response to what question though? There is no overall “position” just results for each individual question

[F1GTRUeno]

CambsBill said:

I'd say JLR might be counting themselves a bit lucky compared to Audi, whose sales across Europe fell by 56% in September, sales in Germany being almost 70% down

But hey, lets just focus on JLR 'cos we like to give them a good kicking

The thread is about JLR...

[Jim the Sunderer]

craigjm said:

greenarrow said:

In the 2018 UK JD Power reliability survey, Jaguar came 17th and LandRover 21st.

But by comparison however, Mercedes were 16th, Audi 23rd.and BMW 24th and last.

In response to what question though? There is no overall “position” just results for each individual question

I'm sure those things are just ancient owners complains the wireless is broken due to being unable to tune it to whichever station plays the shipping forecast.

Would explain why Honda never wins these.

[Willy Nilly]

saaby93 said:

Sa Calobra said:

https://www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100

Google can throw up more.

Nothing to do with 'decades ago'.

Some of the models are middling

Look at this
https://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/searc...
Surely if you pay the earth for that youd exepct reliability to be way over at the green end stop

People don't buy cars like this for reliability, they drove past all of the Japanese dealers on the way to buy it.

[Sa Calobra]

JDPowers website is currently down however I'm loathe to link the express website but they have a table at the foot of this link taken from JD:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/987091/M...

JLR are below average and a French car maker sits above them.

Its nothing to do with an old fashion perception on the brand. JLR stopped the Mondeo in drag years ago for instance.

Theyve pit out stylish classy vehicles for years.

[btom]

Sa Calobra said:

JDPowers website is currently down however I'm loathe to link the express website but they have a table at the foot of this link taken from JD:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/987091/M...

JLR are below average and a French car maker sits above them.

Its nothing to do with an old fashion perception on the brand. JLR stopped the Mondeo in drag years ago for instance.

Theyve pit out stylish classy vehicles for years.

You are missing the point.

No one is saying they are the paragon of reliability but in every statistical metric they are better than the majority of comparable manufacturers. The only difference is that every thread regarding Porsche, Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc isn't bombarded with unreliability jibes despite them, on average, performing worse.

Jaguar gets a level of pedantry than most other makers do not. My favourite quote on the thread is the chap saying he wouldn't buy one because of claimed corruption in the Tata family. He doesn't say he wouldn't buy an Audi/VW/Porsche because of the dieselgate/ prostitutes for all scandals or BMW for dieselgate/Viagra for all.

The double standards are as laughable as they are rotative.

[anonymous-user]

Sa Calobra said:

JDPowers website is currently down however I'm loathe to link the express website but they have a table at the foot of this link taken from JD:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/987091/M...

JLR are below average and a French car maker sits above them.

Its nothing to do with an old fashion perception on the brand. JLR stopped the Mondeo in drag years ago for instance.

Theyve pit out stylish classy vehicles for years.

What’s your personal experience of ownership, reliability and how the dealer/manufacturer handled any issues ?

[Burwood]

btom said:

Sa Calobra said:

JDPowers website is currently down however I'm loathe to link the express website but they have a table at the foot of this link taken from JD:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/987091/M...

JLR are below average and a French car maker sits above them.

Its nothing to do with an old fashion perception on the brand. JLR stopped the Mondeo in drag years ago for instance.

Theyve pit out stylish classy vehicles for years.

You are missing the point.

No one is saying they are the paragon of reliability but in every statistical metric they are better than the majority of comparable manufacturers. The only difference is that every thread regarding Porsche, Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc isn't bombarded with unreliability jibes despite them, on average, performing worse.

Jaguar gets a level of pedantry than most other makers do not. My favourite quote on the thread is the chap saying he wouldn't buy one because of claimed corruption in the Tata family. He doesn't say he wouldn't buy an Audi/VW/Porsche because of the dieselgate/ prostitutes for all scandals or BMW for dieselgate/Viagra for all.

The double standards are as laughable as they are rotative.

It’s not a double standard at all. One group made some poor choices. The other group have made dodgy deals their way of life. Rotten to the core.