JLR on 3 day week
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I doubt that despondency is limited to JLR. In fact, I like many of the LR products as they are at least trying to do something unique in that market like being able to go off road and also look better than anything else. There's just so much samey diesel dullness these days where a new car seems to be mostly about the size of the infotainment screen and maybe with a bit of luck, some CO2 reduction and some hybrid tech. This is hardly what a car enthusiast dreams of. At least the J in JLR is trying to get their cars to handle better than most but perhaps nobody cares anymore.
DMZ said:
I doubt that despondency is limited to JLR. In fact, I like many of the LR products as they are at least trying to do something unique in that market like being able to go off road and also look better than anything else. There's just so much samey diesel dullness these days where a new car seems to be mostly about the size of the infotainment screen and maybe with a bit of luck, some CO2 reduction and some hybrid tech. This is hardly what a car enthusiast dreams of. At least the J in JLR is trying to get their cars to handle better than most but perhaps nobody cares anymore.
I think it is...unless you want an SUV.I've looked at Jags (or tried to) every time I've changed car since 2007. They've never had anything really to offer when looking at a sporting saloon.
BMW have always had plenty of options, ditto Merc. Ditto Audi (although always found them dull to drive). Lexus have some options. Alfa have come back with a string fight. Jag have gone from 'Meh' to non-existent.
My next car will likely be an SUV again, so a JLR product might be on the cards.
Sa Calobra said:
'a clique of JLR haters'
I hope you aren't lumping me into that
I've already said they are stylish cars.
I happen to agree on your last point, I'm on my third now and, whilst I won't pretend they've been faultless, I've had far fewer problems than colleagues with Mercs or almost anything from the VAG stable. My experience of the local dealer has been extremely good, and all three cars have given a really well balanced driving experience.I hope you aren't lumping me into that
I've already said they are stylish cars.
In contrast, in the late 90's I had a succession of 3 Mercs, starting with a W124. Only the first was well built, with the quality falling with each successive car. None of them was especially pleasurable to drive however.
This may have been covered before but in fairness to Jaguar they have launched a decent Tesla competitor before any of the Germans. And they're having a six month waiting list on that. It's a bummer that they decided to outsource the manufacturing of it as I'm sure that would have been welcome work (and skills) in the JLR factories. There is obviously talk of Jaguar shifting to electric propulsion across the board starting with the XJ which they can do much faster than the Germans due to their small scale. This is what it's truly about now, not who makes the best diesel-powered car or who plays the best engine MP3 sounds through the speakers.
So to me Jaguar seems more with it than the Germans at the moment. This won't last forever of course.
So to me Jaguar seems more with it than the Germans at the moment. This won't last forever of course.
I’ll tell you a few of the rumours going around. None confirmed, but still worth discussion.
The suppliers seem to know more about this (LEAR, DHL off-site workers are sources). Allegedly there is another unconventional shutdown planned Dec 7th - Jan 7th, although not sure if Jag or LR, or both!!
A top bloke in his industry of some sort of IT transferring, who has done work for IBM amongst others, has been tasked with moving the companies IT abroad. Really wish I could remember exactly what he said, but the gist was that this man only comes in for a big shift in a business. 3rd had news but he said that he thinks that’s terminal for the U.K. manufacturing.
They have a tech plant an Hungary I hear. Gaydon replacement was mentioned. They seem to be recruiting experienced engineers from that part of the world, most are at Gaydon now.
Heard they may split the J & LR ...... and run off abroad with the cash cow that is LR. J too uncertain, and it could be a good time to offload.
All the Slovaks that came to train in the U.K. left for BMW on returning 😆
Speaking to many company car owners, if Jag currently had a hybrid in their saloons, they would sell. One bloke said the company car tax in a Jag would be £400pm, and the Lexus he had instead was £140, and that he’d have the Jag of it had a hybrid option.
The suppliers seem to know more about this (LEAR, DHL off-site workers are sources). Allegedly there is another unconventional shutdown planned Dec 7th - Jan 7th, although not sure if Jag or LR, or both!!
A top bloke in his industry of some sort of IT transferring, who has done work for IBM amongst others, has been tasked with moving the companies IT abroad. Really wish I could remember exactly what he said, but the gist was that this man only comes in for a big shift in a business. 3rd had news but he said that he thinks that’s terminal for the U.K. manufacturing.
They have a tech plant an Hungary I hear. Gaydon replacement was mentioned. They seem to be recruiting experienced engineers from that part of the world, most are at Gaydon now.
Heard they may split the J & LR ...... and run off abroad with the cash cow that is LR. J too uncertain, and it could be a good time to offload.
All the Slovaks that came to train in the U.K. left for BMW on returning 😆
Speaking to many company car owners, if Jag currently had a hybrid in their saloons, they would sell. One bloke said the company car tax in a Jag would be £400pm, and the Lexus he had instead was £140, and that he’d have the Jag of it had a hybrid option.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that my local(ish) JLR dealer have partly aborted their showroom refurb and massively scaled it back to just include LR and no Jag side.
I thought JLR would have dictated that both would have to have representation? In fact, it was the whole point of the refurb to include Jag in and add the whole shiny grey facade up to current JLR standards. I didn't think they would have a hope in hell selling Jags there so they seem to have done their homework and receeded.
If Jag goes up for sale who would buy it? I'm not bad mouthing them, I genuinely want Jaguar to succeed, but they need the right products and backing behind them.
I thought JLR would have dictated that both would have to have representation? In fact, it was the whole point of the refurb to include Jag in and add the whole shiny grey facade up to current JLR standards. I didn't think they would have a hope in hell selling Jags there so they seem to have done their homework and receeded.
If Jag goes up for sale who would buy it? I'm not bad mouthing them, I genuinely want Jaguar to succeed, but they need the right products and backing behind them.
We’ll be back to the 2010 plant closure discussion soon. They were dead set on closing one of the 2 Brum plants back then before an upturn saved them.
What was the deal with the Union they did? I know the head of the Union there is also a councillor in Wolverhampton. I heard the engine plant is on his actual patch too.
Hungary was discussed in 2013.
The new plant was going to Mexico until the Slovak government offered a £120mill ‘sweetener’, which was then investigated by the EC as a seemed like a ‘bung’. Hence it was a year behind schedule.
What was the deal with the Union they did? I know the head of the Union there is also a councillor in Wolverhampton. I heard the engine plant is on his actual patch too.
Hungary was discussed in 2013.
The new plant was going to Mexico until the Slovak government offered a £120mill ‘sweetener’, which was then investigated by the EC as a seemed like a ‘bung’. Hence it was a year behind schedule.
Kierkegaard said:
If Jag goes up for sale who would buy it? I'm not bad mouthing them, I genuinely want Jaguar to succeed, but they need the right products and backing behind them.
sapf0 said:
Continuing to cut agency staff. Down to 600 after Xmas....
Contractors at Gaydon told to have extended Xmas, and with a “we’ll call you......”
Voluntary Redundancies offered......
Not attending Geneva Motorshow (among others), due to cash flow......
What’s next?
Production to Slovakia.Contractors at Gaydon told to have extended Xmas, and with a “we’ll call you......”
Voluntary Redundancies offered......
Not attending Geneva Motorshow (among others), due to cash flow......
What’s next?
And the new Defender.
And possibly offloading Jaguar?? But as said above, who will buy it?
If they want higher build quality cars with less ongoing life costs then abroad built would be my bet, better staff for lower costs, less unionisation, I can see the Ipace & defender builds moving to either Europe or the USA where demand would be highest & profitable to sell back to Europe?
If the Jag brand was sold off I can see that being viable to a few in the USA.
If the Jag brand was sold off I can see that being viable to a few in the USA.
cptsideways said:
If they want higher build quality cars with less ongoing life costs then abroad built would be my bet, better staff for lower costs, less unionisation, I can see the Ipace & defender builds moving to either Europe or the USA where demand would be highest & profitable to sell back to Europe?
keep up at the backipace is already manufactured only at magny steyr
Where is the new defender being made?
saaby93 said:
cptsideways said:
If they want higher build quality cars with less ongoing life costs then abroad built would be my bet, better staff for lower costs, less unionisation, I can see the Ipace & defender builds moving to either Europe or the USA where demand would be highest & profitable to sell back to Europe?
keep up at the backipace is already manufactured only at magny steyr
Where is the new defender being made?
cptsideways said:
saaby93 said:
cptsideways said:
If they want higher build quality cars with less ongoing life costs then abroad built would be my bet, better staff for lower costs, less unionisation, I can see the Ipace & defender builds moving to either Europe or the USA where demand would be highest & profitable to sell back to Europe?
keep up at the backipace is already manufactured only at magny steyr
Where is the new defender being made?
craigjm said:
cptsideways said:
saaby93 said:
cptsideways said:
If they want higher build quality cars with less ongoing life costs then abroad built would be my bet, better staff for lower costs, less unionisation, I can see the Ipace & defender builds moving to either Europe or the USA where demand would be highest & profitable to sell back to Europe?
keep up at the backipace is already manufactured only at magny steyr
Where is the new defender being made?
cptsideways said:
I'm aware the Ipace is built in Graz though this is only a short term solution? Defender is going to be built in Slovenia I think you'll find, no doubt along with other alu bodied cars on the same platform, Discovery is to be built there.
The intention is for the I-Pace and E-Pace to be made by Magna throughout this model lifecycle (likely to be 7yrs). The Slovakia plant will build Defender and Discovery, along with a couple of Jags. Unfortunately, the Magna deal was done when JLR's UK plants were at peak capacity. At the time of development, they had no space for them.
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