JLR on 3 day week
Discussion
PurpleTurtle said:
Without lazily saying “old man’s car” I’m struggling to see what Jaguar’s customer base is other than that. I’m 46 but I feel my mates would make jokes about golf club membership and retirement if I bought one.
What is the average age of a Jaguar driver these days?
The Germans have all gone for model range diversification, the 1 to the 7 Series, the A1 to the A8 and SUVs in between. Whenever I see an A1 it’s got a hot to trot young blonde at the wheel, Audi have successfully widened their customer profile.
Jaguar: some saloons, an SUV and a nice roadster. Anyone under 45 buying them?
I remember when I bought my first Golf GTI back in 1982 Audi’s were allocated 1 space at the back of the VW showroom,then came the Quattro roaring through forest stages and the rest is history.What is the average age of a Jaguar driver these days?
The Germans have all gone for model range diversification, the 1 to the 7 Series, the A1 to the A8 and SUVs in between. Whenever I see an A1 it’s got a hot to trot young blonde at the wheel, Audi have successfully widened their customer profile.
Jaguar: some saloons, an SUV and a nice roadster. Anyone under 45 buying them?
When I hear the word a jaguar what springs to mind is E type not any of the new stuff.
Jaguar need to relaunch themselves similar to how Mercedes have.
Growing up for me Mercedes were always branded as the old man's car. They were always fairly bland if with some shockers (old A Class).
They seem to have reinvented themselves significantly since around the time they re-entered F1. The cars (although not to my tastes) are very popular now with the younger generation.
I've always wondered what Jag are going for. Can't remember the last time they properly had a go at anything motorsport before formula e.
All the other manufactuers seem to have a DTM/BTCC/GT3. Jaguar never really seemed too bothered, their XK GT3 a few years back seemed more like a bodge job from a privateer.
Maybe they just got burnt too badly from their ill fated F1 attempt in the early 2000's.
Growing up for me Mercedes were always branded as the old man's car. They were always fairly bland if with some shockers (old A Class).
They seem to have reinvented themselves significantly since around the time they re-entered F1. The cars (although not to my tastes) are very popular now with the younger generation.
I've always wondered what Jag are going for. Can't remember the last time they properly had a go at anything motorsport before formula e.
All the other manufactuers seem to have a DTM/BTCC/GT3. Jaguar never really seemed too bothered, their XK GT3 a few years back seemed more like a bodge job from a privateer.
Maybe they just got burnt too badly from their ill fated F1 attempt in the early 2000's.
sapf0 said:
A drop in the ocean really. Wouldn’t be a bad move to lead the pack in EV.
While it’s the future it won’t pay the bills now, in fact it needs massive upfront money. No other manufacture is considering putting all their eggs in EV because they know what it will do to their bottom line. Even Volvo who have issued very misleading statements are only going hybridEven simple things like servicing and parts are going to be turned on it’s head, currently a very profitable revenue stream channel for manufacturers (and which effectively subsidise their dealers) will largely disappear.
Thesprucegoose said:
jag made nearly 400 million profit last year, from this thread you would think they are moribund. The cuts are admin and management they have taken on a extra 4000 in china. sounds healthy to me.
Some comments here:-1) Investment in the future - R&D in most areas (esp. infotainment, powertrains, lightweight architecture*), cutting-edge production lines, quality-throughout. As someone who's dealt with them a fair bit, they're woefully behind the curve.
2) Cashflow. Worth finding out how that's doing, esp. considering the dire need for #1.
3) Plant throughput-vs-capacity. Are they operating at near-capacity or not?
4) China is long overdue - up until 2 years ago all cars were built in the UK and shipped over, suffering huge import tariffs. JLR are finally catching up with the rest of the industry by creating a JV in China, just as China's economy starts to stall...
* JLR talk a load of BS about 'lightweight' structures...then their cars are weighed in the real-world and are equal to or greater than the equivalent BMW.
tigerkoi said:
Anyway back to Jaaaaaagggg. Ralf Speth can bounce around and blame everything else around him, but the seeds of this mess were sown ages ago. He’d be better off blaming the 7-year economic cycle and the fertility of women! 
Ralf Speth is another high powered ex PAG German*, banging on about R&D and other passionate subjects. The E Type was Bill Lyons and a bunch of talented engineers doing stuff on fag packets and by instinct. That's why with all the money in the world, Ze Germans could never really make anything as appealing as the original XJ6. Faster, more reliable, better on fuel. But there's better and there's preferable. - Wolfgang Reiztle was another. Their way of thinking was great for BMW but......
havoc said:
Some comments here:-
1) Investment in the future - R&D in most areas (esp. infotainment, powertrains, lightweight architecture*), cutting-edge production lines, quality-throughout. As someone who's dealt with them a fair bit, they're woefully behind the curve.
2) Cashflow. Worth finding out how that's doing, esp. considering the dire need for #1.
3) Plant throughput-vs-capacity. Are they operating at near-capacity or not?
4) China is long overdue - up until 2 years ago all cars were built in the UK and shipped over, suffering huge import tariffs. JLR are finally catching up with the rest of the industry by creating a JV in China, just as China's economy starts to stall...
* JLR talk a load of BS about 'lightweight' structures...then their cars are weighed in the real-world and are equal to or greater than the equivalent BMW.
A lot of Chinese with money want their cars actually built in the UK. Very funny culture they have when it comes to 'showing face'1) Investment in the future - R&D in most areas (esp. infotainment, powertrains, lightweight architecture*), cutting-edge production lines, quality-throughout. As someone who's dealt with them a fair bit, they're woefully behind the curve.
2) Cashflow. Worth finding out how that's doing, esp. considering the dire need for #1.
3) Plant throughput-vs-capacity. Are they operating at near-capacity or not?
4) China is long overdue - up until 2 years ago all cars were built in the UK and shipped over, suffering huge import tariffs. JLR are finally catching up with the rest of the industry by creating a JV in China, just as China's economy starts to stall...
* JLR talk a load of BS about 'lightweight' structures...then their cars are weighed in the real-world and are equal to or greater than the equivalent BMW.
sapf0 said:
havoc said:
Some comments here:-
1) Investment in the future - R&D in most areas (esp. infotainment, powertrains, lightweight architecture*), cutting-edge production lines, quality-throughout. As someone who's dealt with them a fair bit, they're woefully behind the curve.
2) Cashflow. Worth finding out how that's doing, esp. considering the dire need for #1.
3) Plant throughput-vs-capacity. Are they operating at near-capacity or not?
4) China is long overdue - up until 2 years ago all cars were built in the UK and shipped over, suffering huge import tariffs. JLR are finally catching up with the rest of the industry by creating a JV in China, just as China's economy starts to stall...
* JLR talk a load of BS about 'lightweight' structures...then their cars are weighed in the real-world and are equal to or greater than the equivalent BMW.
A lot of Chinese with money want their cars actually built in the UK. Very funny culture they have when it comes to 'showing face'1) Investment in the future - R&D in most areas (esp. infotainment, powertrains, lightweight architecture*), cutting-edge production lines, quality-throughout. As someone who's dealt with them a fair bit, they're woefully behind the curve.
2) Cashflow. Worth finding out how that's doing, esp. considering the dire need for #1.
3) Plant throughput-vs-capacity. Are they operating at near-capacity or not?
4) China is long overdue - up until 2 years ago all cars were built in the UK and shipped over, suffering huge import tariffs. JLR are finally catching up with the rest of the industry by creating a JV in China, just as China's economy starts to stall...
* JLR talk a load of BS about 'lightweight' structures...then their cars are weighed in the real-world and are equal to or greater than the equivalent BMW.
The bigger picture, perhaps?
Bestmag said:
Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) has said it will build “one of the UK’s largest battery assembly centres of its kind” in the English Midlands. (Despite job cuts gloom.)
http://www.bestmag.co.uk/industry-news/jaguar-land-rover-build-uk-battery-plant-despite-job-cuts-gloomDigga said:
The bigger picture, perhaps?
Well indeed. People tend to go into chicken licken mode when some jobs are shed and say the company is doomedBestmag said:
Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) has said it will build “one of the UK’s largest battery assembly centres of its kind” in the English Midlands. (Despite job cuts gloom.)
http://www.bestmag.co.uk/industry-news/jaguar-land-rover-build-uk-battery-plant-despite-job-cuts-gloomDigga said:
The bigger picture, perhaps?
We barely have any battery centres of its kind outside of small-scale specialist manufacturers so I wouldn't use that to counter the job cuts gloom too strongly (if you're looking to be accurate - not everyone is these days), but at least it's some good news.Bestmag said:
Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) has said it will build “one of the UK’s largest battery assembly centres of its kind” in the English Midlands. (Despite job cuts gloom.)
http://www.bestmag.co.uk/industry-news/jaguar-land-rover-build-uk-battery-plant-despite-job-cuts-gloomNickGibbs said:
We barely have any battery centres of its kind outside of small-scale specialist manufacturers so I wouldn't use that to counter the job cuts gloom too strongly (if you're looking to be accurate - not everyone is these days), but at least it's some good news.
I think it's more that there is some longer term thinking at play and that it does, still, involve UK jobs and investment.I hear they having a large ‘middle management’ cull in Solihull.
Did anybody see the ‘bomb vest’ incident in the media recently? I’m told from someone connected to it that it was allegedly a Secret Santa, and an Indian lad ended up with a mock up bomb vest. I’m told nobody involved took offence, as the other presents where allegedly along the lines of ‘industrial banter’ between mates. It’s alleged that 1 bloke not connected, did tell people he was offended by this, but nothing was done, so now 2 senior managers among others have been suspended. I am also aware of a woman allegedly filing sexual harassment claims against a colleague which have also gone ignored, and now she has been ‘released’ as she’s an agency contractor.
The place is a bloody mess at all levels it seems.
Did anybody see the ‘bomb vest’ incident in the media recently? I’m told from someone connected to it that it was allegedly a Secret Santa, and an Indian lad ended up with a mock up bomb vest. I’m told nobody involved took offence, as the other presents where allegedly along the lines of ‘industrial banter’ between mates. It’s alleged that 1 bloke not connected, did tell people he was offended by this, but nothing was done, so now 2 senior managers among others have been suspended. I am also aware of a woman allegedly filing sexual harassment claims against a colleague which have also gone ignored, and now she has been ‘released’ as she’s an agency contractor.
The place is a bloody mess at all levels it seems.
sapf0 said:
I hear they having a large ‘middle management’ cull in Solihull.
Did anybody see the ‘bomb vest’ incident in the media recently? I’m told from someone connected to it that it was allegedly a Secret Santa, and an Indian lad ended up with a mock up bomb vest. I’m told nobody involved took offence, as the other presents where allegedly along the lines of ‘industrial banter’ between mates. It’s alleged that 1 bloke not connected, did tell people he was offended by this, but nothing was done, so now 2 senior managers among others have been suspended. I am also aware of a woman allegedly filing sexual harassment claims against a colleague which have also gone ignored, and now she has been ‘released’ as she’s an agency contractor.
The place is a bloody mess at all levels it seems.
Absolutely, if you can't have a bit of bantz and a grope of work colleagues then the place is proper fooked. Did anybody see the ‘bomb vest’ incident in the media recently? I’m told from someone connected to it that it was allegedly a Secret Santa, and an Indian lad ended up with a mock up bomb vest. I’m told nobody involved took offence, as the other presents where allegedly along the lines of ‘industrial banter’ between mates. It’s alleged that 1 bloke not connected, did tell people he was offended by this, but nothing was done, so now 2 senior managers among others have been suspended. I am also aware of a woman allegedly filing sexual harassment claims against a colleague which have also gone ignored, and now she has been ‘released’ as she’s an agency contractor.
The place is a bloody mess at all levels it seems.
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