JLR on 3 day week

[Digga]

craigjm said:

Digga said:

he two firms - PSA and JLR -have history. Remember that the V6 diesel used in the Discover also found it's way into the wonderful, guilty pleasure that was the Citroen C6. IIRC it was a joint project from the start.

It was in the forgettable 407 before that. The lion engine project was a joint venture started in 1999 and launched in 2003. The v8 version only ever went in RR

Thanks for confirming.

[Wills2]

JD said:

Burwood said:

JD said:

PRND said:

Yes, the French will help with the reliability woes..

Seriously though, difficult to see who could take on JLR successfully - even those that wouldn't consider it anyway - I could see it slip into VW group, to the horror of many I'd imagine but they don't have a '4x4' company and Jaguar could be reskinned Audis - again to the horror of many I bet. Despite their recent issues with diesels I think VW could still afford to buy out JLR, and turn them around.

I dont think VW could handle the hit to the euro emissions targets that JLR would bring them if they bought them anytime soon.

Really. 10% of their output coupled with not using dinosaur v8s.

They are already looking at fines of over a billion euros as it is, absorbing JLR would increase that.

JLR are on target to hit their EU emissions targets unlike VW

[stevemcs]

Please don't let PSA design the dashboard or steering wheel in in JLR products if they do take them over.

[Ares]

JD said:

I dont think VW could handle the hit to the euro emissions targets that JLR would bring them if they bought them anytime soon.

That would be the issue, group wide emissions will be difficult for anyone with a bias towards luxury motoring. Anyone without that is less likely to succeed. VW are, ironically, the best placed given their multiple brands operating in a sub-luxury market.


BMW could do it, again, but it would put pressure on their emissions targets. Ditto Merc (possibly even worse)

[sapf0]

New Defender to be made in Slovakia. To be honest, that was an open secret anyway. I reckon it'll tank. It should have returned as a pickup truck!!

[anonymous-user]

sapf0 said:

New Defender to be made in Slovakia. To be honest, that was an open secret anyway. I reckon it'll tank. It should have returned as a pickup truck!!

I don't think it will have too big an impact on sales being built out of the UK. The only thing is, I can't really see the customer - farmers are in in Japanese pick-ups, die-hard Defender fans, let's call them Defender Defenders, will always buy an old one and I can't see the commercial side; tree surgeons, emergency services, British gas etc. using them. The only people to me, really, is the hipster who has a VW Caravelle for mountain bikes, or shock horror yummy mummy school runs - but they have the Velar and Evoque to choose from.

Ironically, now I think it will be a small niche of customers for one of their biggest models.

[saaby93]

At least they make an Evoque pick up

[TheStigsWeeBrother]

sapf0 said:

New Defender to be made in Slovakia. To be honest, that was an open secret anyway. I reckon it'll tank. It should have returned as a pickup truck!!

Saw 3 new defenders a couple of weeks ago it’s about the size of a DiscoSport but a bit boxyer.

[Jazzy Jag]

JLR spending Billions on producing a car to fill a niche that doesn't exist and already catered for by existing products in their range.

I wonder why that had to make 4500 redundancies?

[Sixpackpert]

Jazzy Jag said:

JLR spending Billions on producing a car to fill a niche that doesn't exist and already catered for by existing products in their range.

I wonder why that had to make 4500 redundancies?

I think it will fill the spot the Disco 4 left tbh.

[AstonZagato]

saaby93 said:

At least they make an Evoque pick up

Didn't get the recognition it deserved.



I did think about buying an Evoque convertible as a bit of a laugh. Strip out the back seats and put a dog bench in there. Take it shooting. Cost less than 3 years of depreciation on a Rangie. But a rather expensive joke. And I'd have to drive it.

[sapf0]

Anyone see that 150k XE on Grand Tour? Only 300 to be made. My mate said it’s been cut to 200 as they can’t sell them. They had to pretty much make a new car as every panel needed modification.

Each car has a plaque with its number our of 300 too. 😂

What a waste of £50 million!!

[TheStigsWeeBrother]

sapf0 said:

Anyone see that 150k XE on Grand Tour? Only 300 to be made. My mate said it’s been cut to 200 as they can’t sell them. They had to pretty much make a new car as every panel needed modification.

Each car has a plaque with its number our of 300 too. ??

What a waste of £50 million!!

Saw one last night,a bit crashed through Halfords to be honest.

[Taaaaang]

Local News saying today that leaked documents from JLR state that the business is to be sold immediately.

Interesting times

[Ar63]

Article said:

Jaguar Land Rover is reported to be on the brink of being sold to French car maker PSA.

It is understood a “post-sale integration document” is already in circulation

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...

[Cold]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

A spokesman for Tata said:

"As a matter of policy, we do not comment on media speculation.

"But we can confirm there is no truth to these rumours."

/shrug/ Wait and see I guess.

[Burwood]

I read they just developed an Astronaut RR. Only available (POA) to those who have booked to fly into Space with Virgin Galactic. They are doomed if this is the sort of crap they are churning out.

[sapf0]

havoc said:

Burwood said:

Really. 10% of their output coupled with not using dinosaur v8s.

It's more that JLR don't have any small vehicles, nor (iPace excepted) any true LEVs. WLTP averages are getting pretty tough now - Porsche are looking at a hybrid 911, FFS!!! :angry:

Silly as it sounds, a PSA/JLR "merger" might make sense from PSA's perspective - they get access to some UK plants, some 'premium' engineering (although quite frankly JLRs engineering is far from premium in my experience), one very well-known, if not always well-regarded, brand in RR/LR (let's ignore Jaguar for now...) and a foothold in two completely new segments. Ultimately, scale* is what is going to keep most car mfrs going over the next 10 years....that and cashflow.



You won 😂



* In terms of tooling / R&D amortisation, greater gross-margin to pay for back-office overheads, and blending of WLTP averages.

[Jazzy Jag]

It would fit in with the streamlining of the workforce by 4500 to make it look leaner and more attractive.

JLR's real problems are with the incompetence of management, its corporate culture/ structure and poor product quality.

Unless PSA can change the long engrained attitudes, they will just add themselves to the growing list of companies who have tried and failed to fix JLR.

BMW gave up
Ford gave up
PSA...?

[Jazzy Jag]

The Crack Fox said:

PSA's last stand in Blighty was the Ryton plant near Coventry making the 206; a terribly designed, badly built, irredeemably hateful little car.

Honestly, I cannot think of a worse partner for JLR.

Perhaps they deserve each other?