RE: Honda Civic Type R (FD2): Spotted

[Alpinestars]

Ahbefive said:

Unless freshly imported, these tend to be rustbuckets. Massively overpriced rustbuckets that are not very quick.

That 2.2 280bhp one looks great fun though.

Not as quick, fun or as well galvanised as a Focus RS.

I think the 2.2RR was 256 horses.

[Kewy]

Alpinestars said:

Not as quick, fun or as well galvanised as a Focus RS.

I think the 2.2RR was 256 horses.

Your first suggestion is purely subjective. And you have every right to hold those views.

Personally I would choose a N/A Type R over an RS every single time.

[hooblah]

I got chased by one of these in my Audi S4. I was quite surprised that it was keeping up at 120+.

[Alpinestars]

Kewy said:

Alpinestars said:

Not as quick, fun or as well galvanised as a Focus RS.

I think the 2.2RR was 256 horses.

Your first suggestion is purely subjective. And you have every right to hold those views.

Personally I would choose a N/A Type R over an RS every single time.

So would I

[designforlife]

Love these, and would almost certainly have one as an upgrade over my DC5 if finances allowed.

[Kewy]

hooblah said:

I got chased by one of these in my Audi S4. I was quite surprised that it was keeping up at 120+.

That's because they're not slow haha. Everyone seems to think anything without a turbo is slow, and granted they don't feel as instantly fast due to a lack of torque, but when they're on cam they do shift!

Not many cars I come across that the K20 can't at least keep up with, rarely are you left in the dust.

[Kewy]

Alpinestars said:

So would I

Tasty! FN2's don't usually do it for me but the white ones do look nice and this one is a beauty.

[Ahbefive]

Speed Badger said:

When you say 'not very quick' do you mean in a straight line? Because most modern turbo things will probably beat it in a straight line. I can only assume either you've never driven on on a track or on twisty b roads, or you don't have much driving talent.

I do mean in a straight line or on an only slightly curvy road. I'm not sure what it would have to do with my driving talent as I have only passengered in one and driven alongside it in my standard old focus ST but the focus was quicker.

I have no doubt that the CTR would be quicker on a track though just as my R26 with 260bhp is quicker on track than a friends 300bhp Focus ST but still the car that doesn't handle as well on a track is the faster car on the road.

The only Honda that has gone past my lowly megane on track was an NSX which then spun out at Silverstone SS.

[havoc]

Kewy said:

Alex said:

280bhp without forced induction? That is impressive.

I was thinking that! Purely from Mugen internals?

It's bored/stroked out to 2.2.

Given the right breathing and enough fuel, that's not that unreasonable, but it does require some precision parts (to cope with >9,000rpm) and no small investment - the BTCC cars were making an easy 300bhp from 2.0 motors >15 years ago.

...and I'm aware of at least one n/a build which squeezed close to 250bhp out of the 1.8 B18C in the Integra. Even allowing for a generous dyno, that's >230bhp in reality, which is similar specific output to this build.

[Alex]

But BTCC engines were turbo-charged?

[havoc]

Alex said:

But BTCC engines were turbo-charged?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_2000

OK, c.280bhp at a max rpm of 8,500. That'll require greater BMEP to Harry's engine, albeit Harry's will need slightly finer balance.

[Harryeyre]

I have a friend with a JDM wide track blob eye, i’ve driven it and it’s a capable car but a little vague and numb i’m Looking forward to when he tunes and makes the most of 8k plus redline.

I’m not going to get sucked into the not very quick argument, even in a straight line it is rapid. I dragged a mk2 focus RS just after I bought it and it was kneck and kneck.

Rust wise I’ve Had a few issues but it’s seen a lot of winter miles, it’s all under sealed now.

Well spotted on the Benz, only the seat and the bonnet give a clue in that pick! it is an epic daily driver and great on the motorway. After my tuning the Honda averages around 32mpg on a run but the Benz can be up at 27-28. Mine has a secondary cat delete and high flow primaries and makes 540 so it’s a lot of fun. I’ve got an LSD and performance pack so it can handle the power.

The Honda engine has got different cams, valve springs a port and polish as well as a bigger throttle body. My last mod to do is ITBs which will make the most of it and bring it up to the 300 mark. Before the big build I had 250 from intake and exhaust so that’s a lot better value!

[Harryeyre]

Also, my 250 and 280 are aided by invisible cats....

[Harryeyre]

Also my 250 and 280 figures are aided by invisible cats...

[Kewy]

Harryeyre said:

Before the big build I had 250 from intake and exhaust so that’s a lot better value!

Nice! Was that with a tune? The FD2 is around the 220-225 mark stock right? Same as the other JDM K20A models?

[Ahbefive]

Harryeyre said:

I dragged a mk2 focus RS just after I bought it and it was kneck and kneck.

Fd2 0-100 15.2seconds. 60-100 mph 9.2 seconds.

Mk2RS 0-100 12.6seconds. 60-100mph 6.9 seconds

Not even close. Also it's neck.

[Alpinestars]

Ahbefive said:

Harryeyre said:

I dragged a mk2 focus RS just after I bought it and it was kneck and kneck.

Fd2 0-100 15.2seconds. 60-100 mph 9.2 seconds.

Mk2RS 0-100 12.6seconds. 60-100mph 6.9 seconds

Not even close. Also it's neck.

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/o9t0g67vjv9d

[MRobbins1987]

Ahbefive said:

Fd2 0-100 15.2seconds. 60-100 mph 9.2 seconds.

Mk2RS 0-100 12.6seconds. 60-100mph 6.9 seconds

Not even close. Also it's neck.

There’s not a chance of a standard Mk2 FRS doing 0-100 in those times.

Evo magazine tested it at 14. something to 100 mph.

Supposedly around 150 FD2’s in the country according to people who own them so a rare car. Last of the proper Type R’s.

[SidewaysSi]

MRobbins1987 said:

Ahbefive said:

Fd2 0-100 15.2seconds. 60-100 mph 9.2 seconds.

Mk2RS 0-100 12.6seconds. 60-100mph 6.9 seconds

Not even close. Also it's neck.

There’s not a chance of a standard Mk2 FRS doing 0-100 in those times.

Evo magazine tested it at 14. something to 100 mph.

Supposedly around 150 FD2’s in the country according to people who own them so a rare car. Last of the proper Type R’s.

Far superior to any Ford IME and far more of an event to drive.

[Civpilot]

havoc said:

Kewy said:

Alex said:

280bhp without forced induction? That is impressive.

I was thinking that! Purely from Mugen internals?

It's bored/stroked out to 2.2.

Given the right breathing and enough fuel, that's not that unreasonable, but it does require some precision parts (to cope with >9,000rpm) and no small investment - the BTCC cars were making an easy 300bhp from 2.0 motors >15 years ago.

...and I'm aware of at least one n/a build which squeezed close to 250bhp out of the 1.8 B18C in the Integra. Even allowing for a generous dyno, that's >230bhp in reality, which is similar specific output to this build.

The guy who developed and built that 2.2 conversion while working for Mugen Euro is actually a Pistonheader. Think they developed 256bhp when delivered by Mugen, but obviously they were built in a tune that would last and was drivable in slow road conditions, so more power would of been in there (the prototype was a complete animal by all accounts and needed quite a lot of reworking on the map ).

I remember getting a random photo from him of a white Mugen Civic he had put together and it was only when zoomed you could see the very subtle Mugen sticker on the side stating "Type-R 2.2"