RE: New Ferrari Monza SP1 and SP2 first look

[cookie1600]

BelfastBoy said:

On a related note, Ferrari are such a powerful brand that if they announced a ride-on lawnmower as a 'limited run', they could probably sell hundreds of them for any price!

Whoohhaaa! Next you'l be saying Lamborghini will start offering tractors?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

cookie1600 said:

Ha ha, they kept the air vents but there's no windscreen! Couldn't make that up!

huh?

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cookie1600 said:

Cold said:

Not a huge Ferrari fan but I quite like this, especially in SP2 form.

Ha ha, they kept the air vents but there's no windscreen! Couldn't make that up!

What else do you do on a hot day whilst stationary?

Take it you've never had a convertible?

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Unfortunately someone got beat them

[Lord_Howit_Hertz]

Honestly didn't think much of this when it was announced, but then once I had seen this picture above, I have to admit, possibly one of the best looking cars in a very long time (in my opinion since the 8C and the Z8 before that).

ETA:- oh and these pics....

Edited by Lord_Howit_Hertz on Wednesday 19th September 12:15

[WCZ]

the SP2 only adds 20kg! there's no real point in getting an SP1 imo

looks fantastic in black with 2 seats, reminds me of an F50 from the back

shame that it's basically pointless in my mind now as it only weighs 25kg less than an 812.

also worth mentioning that the SLR sterling moss was -200kg +90hp on the SLR and cost less.

Edited by WCZ on Wednesday 19th September 12:35

[cookie1600]

GroundEffect said:

Take it you've never had a convertible?

I drive one every single day

[Talksteer]

E65Ross said:

Talksteer said:

I've been saying they should do something like this for about 10 years.

However the execution is a bit lazy in engineering terms, with all Ferrari's capabilities this thing should have half a 458 or 812 engine in it and weigh around 500kg with a bespoke CF monocoque.

They could have then had a single make series.

I'm sure there is a host of small British companies which could have designed a built the chassis for them!

I'm assuming you mean 1500kgs and not 500kgs? If you do mean 500kgs.....that'd be very interesting how you'd remotely plan to do that!

The BAC Mono is 540kg, Caterhams are around 500kg as is the Aerial Atom.

I would assume that even accounting for the increased safety requirements that Ferrari are likely to put into it if you built the chassis out of CF you could get the weight down to a similar level.

Half a 458 Speciale engine is just a 2.4l straight 4, half a 812 engine is a 3.1l straight six, these should be light motors. Then use a whole load of off the shelf stuff like the BAC Mono uses e.g. Hewland F3 gearbox.

If necessary set up Ferrari manufacturing Ltd in the UK and certify them all via an IVA test.

Also they should take a leaf out of Elon's Musk's book, while it is a legal requirement to sell a car with wing mirrors it is not a legal requirement to drive with them, hence just have them hung on with magnets and allow the owner to remove them and replace them with camera's or a single central chrome one as per 1950's Lemans.

Edited by Talksteer on Wednesday 19th September 17:08

[E65Ross]

Talksteer said:

E65Ross said:

Talksteer said:

I've been saying they should do something like this for about 10 years.

However the execution is a bit lazy in engineering terms, with all Ferrari's capabilities this thing should have half a 458 or 812 engine in it and weigh around 500kg with a bespoke CF monocoque.

They could have then had a single make series.

I'm sure there is a host of small British companies which could have designed a built the chassis for them!

I'm assuming you mean 1500kgs and not 500kgs? If you do mean 500kgs.....that'd be very interesting how you'd remotely plan to do that!

The BAC Mono is 540kg, Caterhams are around 500kg as is the Aerial Atom.

I would assume that even accounting for the increased safety requirements that Ferrari are likely to put into it if you built the chassis out of CF you could get the weight down to a similar level.

Half a 458 Speciale engine is just a 2.4l straight 4, half a 812 engine is a 3.1l straight six, these should be light motors. Then use a whole load of off the shelf stuff like the BAC Mono uses e.g. Hewland F3 gearbox.

If necessary set up Ferrari manufacturing Ltd in the UK and certify them all via an IVA test.

Also they should take a leaf out of Elon's Musk's book, while it is a legal requirement to sell a car with wing mirrors it is not a legal requirement to drive with them, hence just have them hung on with magnets and allow the owner to remove them and replace them with camera's or a single central chrome one as per 1950's Lemans.

Edited by Talksteer on Wednesday 19th September 17:08

Just because they haven't done what you'd prefer that doesn't make it lazy engineering.

I suspect Ferrari spoke to customers before even making this, or did some market research and felt that this was something that would be more desired by its clientele, against something similar to a BAC Mono.

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E65Ross said:

Talksteer said:

E65Ross said:

Talksteer said:

I've been saying they should do something like this for about 10 years.

However the execution is a bit lazy in engineering terms, with all Ferrari's capabilities this thing should have half a 458 or 812 engine in it and weigh around 500kg with a bespoke CF monocoque.

They could have then had a single make series.

I'm sure there is a host of small British companies which could have designed a built the chassis for them!

I'm assuming you mean 1500kgs and not 500kgs? If you do mean 500kgs.....that'd be very interesting how you'd remotely plan to do that!

The BAC Mono is 540kg, Caterhams are around 500kg as is the Aerial Atom.

I would assume that even accounting for the increased safety requirements that Ferrari are likely to put into it if you built the chassis out of CF you could get the weight down to a similar level.

Half a 458 Speciale engine is just a 2.4l straight 4, half a 812 engine is a 3.1l straight six, these should be light motors. Then use a whole load of off the shelf stuff like the BAC Mono uses e.g. Hewland F3 gearbox.

If necessary set up Ferrari manufacturing Ltd in the UK and certify them all via an IVA test.

Also they should take a leaf out of Elon's Musk's book, while it is a legal requirement to sell a car with wing mirrors it is not a legal requirement to drive with them, hence just have them hung on with magnets and allow the owner to remove them and replace them with camera's or a single central chrome one as per 1950's Lemans.

Edited by Talksteer on Wednesday 19th September 17:08

Just because they haven't done what you'd prefer that doesn't make it lazy engineering.

I suspect Ferrari spoke to customers before even making this, or did some market research and felt that this was something that would be more desired by its clientele, against something similar to a BAC Mono.

I agree it's probably not what the customers of this car probably want but never the less you laughed at the suggestion it could weigh 500kg. Ferrari have apparently abandoned their weight saving effort. How this thing weighs just 5kg less than an 812 is mind boggling; 1500kg is lame. It's still a gorgeous thing though.

[Talksteer]

fblm said:

E65Ross said:

Talksteer said:

E65Ross said:

Talksteer said:

I've been saying they should do something like this for about 10 years.

However the execution is a bit lazy in engineering terms, with all Ferrari's capabilities this thing should have half a 458 or 812 engine in it and weigh around 500kg with a bespoke CF monocoque.

They could have then had a single make series.

I'm sure there is a host of small British companies which could have designed a built the chassis for them!

I'm assuming you mean 1500kgs and not 500kgs? If you do mean 500kgs.....that'd be very interesting how you'd remotely plan to do that!

The BAC Mono is 540kg, Caterhams are around 500kg as is the Aerial Atom.

I would assume that even accounting for the increased safety requirements that Ferrari are likely to put into it if you built the chassis out of CF you could get the weight down to a similar level.

Half a 458 Speciale engine is just a 2.4l straight 4, half a 812 engine is a 3.1l straight six, these should be light motors. Then use a whole load of off the shelf stuff like the BAC Mono uses e.g. Hewland F3 gearbox.

If necessary set up Ferrari manufacturing Ltd in the UK and certify them all via an IVA test.

Also they should take a leaf out of Elon's Musk's book, while it is a legal requirement to sell a car with wing mirrors it is not a legal requirement to drive with them, hence just have them hung on with magnets and allow the owner to remove them and replace them with camera's or a single central chrome one as per 1950's Lemans.

Edited by Talksteer on Wednesday 19th September 17:08

Just because they haven't done what you'd prefer that doesn't make it lazy engineering.

I suspect Ferrari spoke to customers before even making this, or did some market research and felt that this was something that would be more desired by its clientele, against something similar to a BAC Mono.

I agree it's probably not what the customers of this car probably want but never the less you laughed at the suggestion it could weigh 500kg. Ferrari have apparently abandoned their weight saving effort. How this thing weighs just 5kg less than an 812 is mind boggling; 1500kg is lame. It's still a gorgeous thing though.

I work in a large engineering company and I'm familiar with the decision making process.

They are effectively sweating a pre-existing asset the 812 platform, that sells profitably at a fraction of the cost they will sell this for, it will be effectively a paperwork exercise to get this through the myriad of internal and external gatekeepers.

I suspect that something along the lines of what I proposed was in the minds of the designers who came up with this, e.g. a evocation of the 50's GT cars.

Producing the vehicle I described would probably be more faithful but as a large industrial the amount of hassle it would be to produce such a car in terms of internal administration and planning would be formidable. So I suspect that they probably surveyed their prospective clients with the base it on a 812 design, saw there was a market and went with that.

[Cold]

Talksteer said:

Also they should take a leaf out of Elon's Musk's book, while it is a legal requirement to sell a car with wing mirrors it is not a legal requirement to drive with them, hence just have them hung on with magnets and allow the owner to remove them and replace them with camera's or a single central chrome one as per 1950's Lemans.

Is carbon fibre magnetic?