RE: Toyota Supra prototype: Driven
Discussion
Hmm, I am a big fan of the original in un fannied with form, maybe being a Gran Turismo enthusiast for some years had a part to play but also, when left alone or done right they are drop dead stunning, from any angle, well the last Supra was, didnt mind the MK and MK1 but it is all about the MK3 really.
Nice to see the name revived and I dont think things have to stay the same because thats how it used to be, but this seems smaller, more, dare I say it Celica sized ?
It has 340 bhp, which seems a bit low these days, funny how the Mk3 with 320 sound like all the power in the world, this will be markedly quicker so it wont be slow, its just there isnt clear air between it and anything else comparable, you need 500 bhp to raise an eyebrow nowadays.
Will reserve judgement on the styling until its revealed but I do have a feeling of mild disappointment in that its a reworked BMW and not a single minded Toyota development like in the nineties, I am not into nostalgia that much but will make an exception for the Supra.
Still, bet it will be a pretty fantastic proposition, and 50k, though its a lot of money, in context of what else it out there it isnt, probably maginally cheaper based on current prices than the Mk3 was in 1992.
Nice to see the name revived and I dont think things have to stay the same because thats how it used to be, but this seems smaller, more, dare I say it Celica sized ?
It has 340 bhp, which seems a bit low these days, funny how the Mk3 with 320 sound like all the power in the world, this will be markedly quicker so it wont be slow, its just there isnt clear air between it and anything else comparable, you need 500 bhp to raise an eyebrow nowadays.
Will reserve judgement on the styling until its revealed but I do have a feeling of mild disappointment in that its a reworked BMW and not a single minded Toyota development like in the nineties, I am not into nostalgia that much but will make an exception for the Supra.
Still, bet it will be a pretty fantastic proposition, and 50k, though its a lot of money, in context of what else it out there it isnt, probably maginally cheaper based on current prices than the Mk3 was in 1992.
given the massive cost of developing a new car, especially one likely to sell in lesser volume, we're fortunate to have two OEMs who've collaborated on this one
it does seem, however, that one of these two OEMs is more the origin than the other; I'm probably being a bit unfair (and certainly uninformed!)
I did notice that the kerb weight (1500kg) is not too lardy; substantial, yes, but not overweight by contemporary standards
GroundEffect said:
spikyone said:
KillianB4 said:
I am iffy on the looks of the front end but lets see how it looks come production. But I think this car will sell well. How long until they have one GT3 racing do we reckon?
Are they planning on going GT3 with it? It's almost certain to end up in SuperGT anyway, but it'd be good to see it on some tracks outside the far east. Castrol livery, please Toyota...stongle said:
It feels a bit like this is the car the GT86 “could” have been?
In exactly the same way that a Focus RS is the car that a base spec Fiesta could have been. 
I’m definitely glad this shares a lot with the BMW in terms of the infotainment/i drive!
My mother has a 2017 RAV4 and my god, the infotainment is a joke, looks like it’s been designed by a 12 year old in 2006 using PowerPoint. Laggy touchscreen with so many menus, colours and small logos, very distracting if you’re using while driving.
As for the engine, it’s like another poster said, BMW has a ready made environmentally friendly straight 6 to use, why go out of their way and spend millions to develop their own.
I think this can be a very appealing car and I may be tempted to buy it in the near future when it’s been out for a few years.
Now, imagine if Nissan and Mercedes AMG decide to make the R36 with Merc switchgear and the 4.0 TT V8 with everything else sorted by Nissan : O
My mother has a 2017 RAV4 and my god, the infotainment is a joke, looks like it’s been designed by a 12 year old in 2006 using PowerPoint. Laggy touchscreen with so many menus, colours and small logos, very distracting if you’re using while driving.
As for the engine, it’s like another poster said, BMW has a ready made environmentally friendly straight 6 to use, why go out of their way and spend millions to develop their own.
I think this can be a very appealing car and I may be tempted to buy it in the near future when it’s been out for a few years.
Now, imagine if Nissan and Mercedes AMG decide to make the R36 with Merc switchgear and the 4.0 TT V8 with everything else sorted by Nissan : O
WCZ said:
this.
1991 Carrera - 247hp
1991 Supra Turbo - 280hp
2018 Carrera 370hp
2018 Supra 350hp....
well I've actually gone against my point here, presumed the latest base 911's were much much powerful! nevermind
The '91 280PS model was Japan only, with the rest of the world only getting 232bhp from that generation of Supra.1991 Carrera - 247hp
1991 Supra Turbo - 280hp
2018 Carrera 370hp
2018 Supra 350hp....
well I've actually gone against my point here, presumed the latest base 911's were much much powerful! nevermind
What a tremendous disappointment. This doesn't deserve to wear the Supra moniker and I hope it doesn't. Call it a Celica if anything as that is more in keeping with this effort.
As a previous owner of 2 JZA80's, I have been waiting for this for years, initial design of the FT1 looked good although it always looked a little on the small side. This looks pants in size, in looks, in appeal, hardly a halo model, more of a limp wristed upscaled GT86 for unadventurous moderates as opposed to an emotive beast for red blooded petrol heads.
The bean counters at Toyota have triumphed over the engineers. I was hoping the Supra would be standing proud among its other great compatriots like the Nissan GTR and Honda NSX. Instead it's a lame duck effort in keeping with the rest of Toyota's predominantly uninspiring white goods range. I thought things would be different under Toyoda who seemed to have a genuine passion for reigniting Toyota's flame which burned so brightly in the 90's. The LFA would have made the perfect base for a worthy Supra successor. Now that is a true reflection of what an inspired Toyota is capable of.
Disappointed, very.
As a previous owner of 2 JZA80's, I have been waiting for this for years, initial design of the FT1 looked good although it always looked a little on the small side. This looks pants in size, in looks, in appeal, hardly a halo model, more of a limp wristed upscaled GT86 for unadventurous moderates as opposed to an emotive beast for red blooded petrol heads.
The bean counters at Toyota have triumphed over the engineers. I was hoping the Supra would be standing proud among its other great compatriots like the Nissan GTR and Honda NSX. Instead it's a lame duck effort in keeping with the rest of Toyota's predominantly uninspiring white goods range. I thought things would be different under Toyoda who seemed to have a genuine passion for reigniting Toyota's flame which burned so brightly in the 90's. The LFA would have made the perfect base for a worthy Supra successor. Now that is a true reflection of what an inspired Toyota is capable of.
Disappointed, very.
red_slr said:
To be a proper Supra it needs to be on a par with the base 911, which its not. IMHO. It needs to be special. The last TT was special because of the 2JZ. I don't see anything special about this.
to be a proper Supra replacement it'd have to be based on the new 8 series (if it absolutely has to be based on a BMW). Otherwise it's going to end up in a similar discount basket near the exit as the new NSX (bit of exaggeration of course, it's more like a Celica than a Supra).rjfp1962 said:
BMW Z4 badged as a Toyota Supra, just Like AMG Mercedes now being badged as Aston Martin!
Is a shame that some "premium" brands cannot manufacture their own product more..
???? Premium brands not manufacture their own product? Is a shame that some "premium" brands cannot manufacture their own product more..
Neither of these two car manufacturers are likely to manufacture it! The bloody thing irrespective of BMW (100% certain!) or Toyota (more than likely) is being put together in Austria by Magna!
In fairness like some other posters this more BMW than Toyota!
A tide of negativity has rolled in, seems to be down to a simple summing up as follows
"Toyota have released another BMW Z4 and this means they are no longer different and also the engine will not be as unique as the last one which was just as Godzilla as anything in a Nissan."
As a summary I cannot fault that point of view. The new Yaris GRMN is also far more Toyota which means individual. This car seems to be following the crowd more which is sad.
However, can I put some thoughts across why that sadness is misplaced?
1. This car has a proper roof and is not a convertible like the Z4. Not only has it a roof, it seems to be bubble.
That in itself is cool.
2. The convertible Supra, aka BMW Z4 is handy around a well known racetrack it seems. The Supra will be even quicker.
3. Not many stats so far but the rear tyres are 275. Which means the wheel arches are kind for people fitting extremely light and wide magnesium wheels from Japan etc. Hopefully this is a tuning friendly car, as is the Toyota tradition, and not just on the engine.
4 Main complaints on the GT86 was poor interior, not enough horsepower and wheezy four pot. Toyota now solved both that but you will have to pay more.
Let's just see. Could be a nice compliment to the Alpine A110, both nibbling at Ph's affections. Let's hope
Too early to write it off yet as a BMW clone.
"Toyota have released another BMW Z4 and this means they are no longer different and also the engine will not be as unique as the last one which was just as Godzilla as anything in a Nissan."
As a summary I cannot fault that point of view. The new Yaris GRMN is also far more Toyota which means individual. This car seems to be following the crowd more which is sad.
However, can I put some thoughts across why that sadness is misplaced?
1. This car has a proper roof and is not a convertible like the Z4. Not only has it a roof, it seems to be bubble.
That in itself is cool.
2. The convertible Supra, aka BMW Z4 is handy around a well known racetrack it seems. The Supra will be even quicker.
3. Not many stats so far but the rear tyres are 275. Which means the wheel arches are kind for people fitting extremely light and wide magnesium wheels from Japan etc. Hopefully this is a tuning friendly car, as is the Toyota tradition, and not just on the engine.
4 Main complaints on the GT86 was poor interior, not enough horsepower and wheezy four pot. Toyota now solved both that but you will have to pay more.
Let's just see. Could be a nice compliment to the Alpine A110, both nibbling at Ph's affections. Let's hope
Too early to write it off yet as a BMW clone.
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