RE: Ferrari Monza SP1 and SP2: Official!
Discussion
I know this may be controversial, but personally I think the wheels are far too big for that size and shape of car; it just looks wrong.
Also, the body is trying to look 'motorsport', and that's not possible with wheels and tyres like that, which are the preserve of road cars - it doesn't fit.
Other than that, I'm sure this would be wonderful; a bit like my 2-Eleven but with better weight distribution
Also, the body is trying to look 'motorsport', and that's not possible with wheels and tyres like that, which are the preserve of road cars - it doesn't fit.
Other than that, I'm sure this would be wonderful; a bit like my 2-Eleven but with better weight distribution
havoc said:
Agreed. I just don't get how some manufacturers can seem to make their cars out of lead...I mean, the engine itself will weigh-in at <250kg without gearbox, vs >150kg for the Lotus/Toyota V6. So even with gearbox you're only looking at ~150kg more. Bigger footprint probably accounts for the same again, chassis-wise, so there's maybe 300kg difference to the 3-11...
I mean - yes it's a Superfast underneath, but you've no glass, no interior to speak of, (presumably) no aircon or infotainment, and ultra-lightweight seats. That's gotta be >100kg of saving right there...before the CF bodywork and (presumed) reduced soundproofing.
Having had a whinge about the weight, they're utterly, utterly gorgeous though, and a very nice riposte to the Mclaren Senna.
it's crazy isn't it. the sterling moss was 200kg lighter than the slr just by removing bodywork, windows, and nav. and that had a bigger air brake fitted which must have been heavier. oh and it had an extra 90bhp too so presumably more engine parts.I mean - yes it's a Superfast underneath, but you've no glass, no interior to speak of, (presumably) no aircon or infotainment, and ultra-lightweight seats. That's gotta be >100kg of saving right there...before the CF bodywork and (presumed) reduced soundproofing.
Having had a whinge about the weight, they're utterly, utterly gorgeous though, and a very nice riposte to the Mclaren Senna.
TwinExit said:
Doesn't matter how much they try to hark back to the golden era of the 60s-70s and make it 'exclusive' by non disclosure of the RRP, these cars will be snagged up by the likes of Jay Leno (who makes himself more wealthy by televising about a car he just brought effectively paying for it) and young 'princes' racing up and down Knightsbridge in 1st gear.
Even Glasgowdon Ramsay is a celeb Ferrarista.
That's all the heritage you have left Ferrari, until you start winning in top motorsport again.
You do know Ferrari have won five F1 races this year?Even Glasgowdon Ramsay is a celeb Ferrarista.
That's all the heritage you have left Ferrari, until you start winning in top motorsport again.
I also don't like the modern supercar industry and it's limited editions etc but I try not to be an idiot about it.
havoc said:
fblm said:
Swalsey said:
To me these are stunning and I'm sure will sound and drive amazing. I'd buy one if I could, but I'd be really interested to see where the mass is coming from to make up 1500kg dry with a carbon fibre body. There must good reasons they are >600kg heavier than a 3-11.
The weight is really disappointing, particularly after the big song and dance they made about the Millechili concept a few years back. If ever there was a project to launch a 1000kg car this surely was it. I mean - yes it's a Superfast underneath, but you've no glass, no interior to speak of, (presumably) no aircon or infotainment, and ultra-lightweight seats. That's gotta be >100kg of saving right there...before the CF bodywork and (presumed) reduced soundproofing.
Having had a whinge about the weight, they're utterly, utterly gorgeous though, and a very nice riposte to the Mclaren Senna.
WCZ said:
it's crazy isn't it. the sterling moss was 200kg lighter than the slr just by removing bodywork, windows, and nav. and that had a bigger air brake fitted which must have been heavier. oh and it had an extra 90bhp too so presumably more engine parts.
That SLR thing was based on a carbon tub though, so it wouldn't lose any strength by not having a roof. The aluminium chassis in the Ferrari would need more reinforcing compared to the coupe version. It's very common for convertibles to weigh more than the coupe they were converted from.Why would it need more engine parts to make more power?
TwinExit said:
Doesn't matter how much they try to hark back to the golden era of the 60s-70s and make it 'exclusive' by non disclosure of the RRP, these cars will be snagged up by the likes of Jay Leno (who makes himself more wealthy by televising about a car he just brought effectively paying for it) and young 'princes' racing up and down Knightsbridge in 1st gear.
Even Glasgowdon Ramsay is a celeb Ferrarista.
That's all the heritage you have left Ferrari, until you start winning in top motorsport again.
If you'd want ANYONE to own a car it would be someone like Jay Leno. A trust enthusiast who has the ability to own and share his passion for cars with the world via Jay Leno's Garage, or out and about in LA at the car meets. A Pistonhead of the very highest order.Even Glasgowdon Ramsay is a celeb Ferrarista.
That's all the heritage you have left Ferrari, until you start winning in top motorsport again.
Edited by Justices on Wednesday 19th September 18:20
regarding the large wheels, I, too, will raise my hand
I kind of wonder how these cars would look with significantly smaller wheels
does this mean that the cars, themselves, could be just a wee bit smaller? (and lighter)
still lovely though, they are
the black with red interior is very seductive / wicked
WCZ said:
havoc said:
Agreed. I just don't get how some manufacturers can seem to make their cars out of lead...I mean, the engine itself will weigh-in at <250kg without gearbox, vs >150kg for the Lotus/Toyota V6. So even with gearbox you're only looking at ~150kg more. Bigger footprint probably accounts for the same again, chassis-wise, so there's maybe 300kg difference to the 3-11...
I mean - yes it's a Superfast underneath, but you've no glass, no interior to speak of, (presumably) no aircon or infotainment, and ultra-lightweight seats. That's gotta be >100kg of saving right there...before the CF bodywork and (presumed) reduced soundproofing.
Having had a whinge about the weight, they're utterly, utterly gorgeous though, and a very nice riposte to the Mclaren Senna.
it's crazy isn't it. the sterling moss was 200kg lighter than the slr just by removing bodywork, windows, and nav. and that had a bigger air brake fitted which must have been heavier. oh and it had an extra 90bhp too so presumably more engine parts.I mean - yes it's a Superfast underneath, but you've no glass, no interior to speak of, (presumably) no aircon or infotainment, and ultra-lightweight seats. That's gotta be >100kg of saving right there...before the CF bodywork and (presumed) reduced soundproofing.
Having had a whinge about the weight, they're utterly, utterly gorgeous though, and a very nice riposte to the Mclaren Senna.
Apart from wanting to fold in the middle think of all the twisting loads when you bring corners into it..
Last of all, I'm sure a lot of safety equipment (crash protection not harnesses!). Potential owners of these cars, I'm sure Ferrari would like to keep alive as best as possible
Got to say, I see a lot of other modern cars in both designs. The black one from the side reminded me a lot of the f type svr convertible actually, the rear lights on the silver looks like modern Porsche etc.. but either way I hope to see either one of them in the fleshy stuff one day!!
Was chatting with a mate who works in car sales at the high end about earlier on today and he came up with a apt comment.
"Pull up to a country pub in a Valkyrie and everyone's going to think you're a sad F1 wannabe with too much money. Pull up to a country pub in a Monza and it won't matter if you're a 50 year old bloke with appalling teeth who farts if he even looks at a cheese, everyone's going to think you're the coolest f
ker on the planet,"
"Pull up to a country pub in a Valkyrie and everyone's going to think you're a sad F1 wannabe with too much money. Pull up to a country pub in a Monza and it won't matter if you're a 50 year old bloke with appalling teeth who farts if he even looks at a cheese, everyone's going to think you're the coolest f
ker on the planet," fblm said:
Swalsey said:
To me these are stunning and I'm sure will sound and drive amazing. I'd buy one if I could, but I'd be really interested to see where the mass is coming from to make up 1500kg dry with a carbon fibre body. There must good reasons they are >600kg heavier than a 3-11.
The weight is really disappointing, particularly after the big song and dance they made about the Millechili concept a few years back. If ever there was a project to launch a 1000kg car this surely was it. Only on PH would a 820PS super-duper car weighing similar to a 3 series is scorned for not trying hard enough.
GroundEffect said:
Carbon body panels are irrelevant. It's the structure that holds the weight and this is aluminium which means a lot of reinforcement underneath when roof taken off. And it has a sodding 6.5 V12 in it.
Only on PH would a 820PS super-duper car weighing similar to a 3 series is scorned for not trying hard enough.
Firstly I'd love one, it's stunning but yes for the price they are no doubt going to charge lopping the top off a production car and bolting on some very pretty new panels really isn't trying that hard! The F50 also had a V12, no roof and weighed 600lb less. 20 years ago. 600 pounds! That's like buying an F50 and squeezing in there with 2 Diane Abbots. It's just wrong!Only on PH would a 820PS super-duper car weighing similar to a 3 series is scorned for not trying hard enough.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 19th September 22:33
I mean, they couldn’t be any more perfectly designed, could they? I’ve been dreaming about something like this since I saw a Maserati Barchetta for the first time 20 years ago.
But seriously (and although it’s obviously a moot point for me since I’m not a customer), with fluids and a driver this is a 1700 kg car! Surely there’s going to be some cognitive incongruance when you’re sitting in something that looks like a RenaultSport Spider but weighs twice as much?
But seriously (and although it’s obviously a moot point for me since I’m not a customer), with fluids and a driver this is a 1700 kg car! Surely there’s going to be some cognitive incongruance when you’re sitting in something that looks like a RenaultSport Spider but weighs twice as much?
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