RE: All-new 2019 BMW 3 Series revealed
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Nanook said:
Ares said:
I disagree. I think they are the most innovative, ground breaking automotive business in 100 yrs. I came very close to getting a Model S last year, and know 30/40 owners who rate their cars as the best they've owned.
The joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
You know more than 30 Tesla owners? And have had a discussion with every one of them about whether or not it's the best car they've owned. And they all said yesThe joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
That sounds a little bit made-up.
Apologies if I've misunderstood.
There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
Ares said:
Nanook said:
Ares said:
I disagree. I think they are the most innovative, ground breaking automotive business in 100 yrs. I came very close to getting a Model S last year, and know 30/40 owners who rate their cars as the best they've owned.
The joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
You know more than 30 Tesla owners? And have had a discussion with every one of them about whether or not it's the best car they've owned. And they all said yesThe joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
That sounds a little bit made-up.
Apologies if I've misunderstood.
There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
Well I know 158 Tesla owners living as I do in London.
Ares said:
Nanook said:
Ares said:
I disagree. I think they are the most innovative, ground breaking automotive business in 100 yrs. I came very close to getting a Model S last year, and know 30/40 owners who rate their cars as the best they've owned.
The joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
You know more than 30 Tesla owners? And have had a discussion with every one of them about whether or not it's the best car they've owned. And they all said yesThe joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
That sounds a little bit made-up.
Apologies if I've misunderstood.
There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
anonymous said:
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Looking back I’m surprised they even released the i3, perhaps they should’ve started with an i5/6/7.Expensive batteries, carbon cell, avant garde styling, lots of new tech - surely they’d have been better off with something they could’ve flogged at the £60-80k mark (or more - I think the BMW brand would support that)
It’s not that much cheaper to produce a small car than a big car, so not sure about starting with what’s considered a very pricey city car.
Obviously they had the i8, but that’s also pretty niche IMO, how well has that sold?
Ares said:
At least. Come to where I love - Alderley Edge/Wilmslow. Loads of them. I was looking at one last year, I counselled a lot of opinions at the time, and have done so since.
There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
To the contrary, of the three guys in my village who I know personally and whom own Teslas (all S models), one is getting rid because in his words 'it's a one trick pony and bloody boring to drive', another is getting rid, or at least is trying to, because of the lack of quality, as he sees it. Third is happy with his, but hasn't anything to say about it other than it does what it is supposed to.There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
As a product, Teslas are undoubtedly very impressive from a technology perspective, and have of course been very disruptive in the market place, no doubt driving and accelerating change in a very good way. However, as someone who has been involved at a senior level in the auto industry for a very long time, I can tell you that their business and their manufacturing facilities are, indeed, a joke.
had ham said:
one is getting rid because in his words 'it's a one trick pony and bloody boring to drive',
That's not the first time I've heard that. I guess that 2 tonnes (and 4WD in some models) isn't a great recipe for driving enjoyment. Many non-car people think performance cars are just about straight line pace though, and in that sense it is an amazing car to combine that performance with a large luxury saloon. I guess it depends what you want.epom said:
Ares said:
Nanook said:
Ares said:
I disagree. I think they are the most innovative, ground breaking automotive business in 100 yrs. I came very close to getting a Model S last year, and know 30/40 owners who rate their cars as the best they've owned.
The joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
You know more than 30 Tesla owners? And have had a discussion with every one of them about whether or not it's the best car they've owned. And they all said yesThe joke is on anyone that thinks Tesla is a joke, IMO
That sounds a little bit made-up.
Apologies if I've misunderstood.
There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
had ham said:
Ares said:
At least. Come to where I love - Alderley Edge/Wilmslow. Loads of them. I was looking at one last year, I counselled a lot of opinions at the time, and have done so since.
There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
To the contrary, of the three guys in my village who I know personally and whom own Teslas (all S models), one is getting rid because in his words 'it's a one trick pony and bloody boring to drive', another is getting rid, or at least is trying to, because of the lack of quality, as he sees it. Third is happy with his, but hasn't anything to say about it other than it does what it is supposed to.There are 7 Model Xs and 4 Model S at my daughters school. There are 6 Model S's and 2 Xs at my gym. I know 4 owners of Xs and 2 Ss away from either those, and thats before the people I've spoken to around the village.
As a product, Teslas are undoubtedly very impressive from a technology perspective, and have of course been very disruptive in the market place, no doubt driving and accelerating change in a very good way. However, as someone who has been involved at a senior level in the auto industry for a very long time, I can tell you that their business and their manufacturing facilities are, indeed, a joke.
kambites said:
I'm a bit bemused as to why anyone would buy a Model-S expecting anything else? It's a damned great barge, it's not meant to be a sports car or even a sports saloon. The owners I know are largely either after an alternative to an SUV, or a motorway cruiser.
iSore said:
Ares said:
What is the i3 if it isn't an EV..??
Other than adorable??
The incredibly naive assumption that I didn't know it existed you fool! Other than adorable??
God!!
And I guessed you knew....hence why you'd mentioned it. It just made the rest of your comment look stupid and/or pathetic and/or disingenuous
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