RE: All-new 2019 BMW 3 Series revealed
Discussion
JMF894 said:
Well it's no looker is it? I'll keep my E46 coupe for now. My eyes can only take so much and our F46 GT takes care of that. Surpised there's no power increase for the 320d. Is there any weight gain over the old one?
It's lighter than the old one. I also don't think the old one was Euro-6D compliant (it might not have even been 6C?) so maintaining the same power isn't the same as doing no work on the engine. As WLTP takes hold I think we're going to see a stall in the relentless increase in specific power output of mainstream road car engines. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 2nd October 11:36
Beautiful, looks amazing, proportions and everything!
The 3 series desperately needed a new interior and this has it nailed down to a T, I spent a month with the new 6GT and getting back into my 4 series made it feel quite old inside, I will most definitely be enquiring about this.
Only worry would be the 40i variant being a full blown m lite which means it won’t be cheap at all, wouldn’t settle for anything less than a straight 6 petrol in one of these, let’s hope it’s not too expensive, and by expensive I mean a starting price of 55k without options.
The 3 series desperately needed a new interior and this has it nailed down to a T, I spent a month with the new 6GT and getting back into my 4 series made it feel quite old inside, I will most definitely be enquiring about this.
Only worry would be the 40i variant being a full blown m lite which means it won’t be cheap at all, wouldn’t settle for anything less than a straight 6 petrol in one of these, let’s hope it’s not too expensive, and by expensive I mean a starting price of 55k without options.
moffat said:
Ares said:
374bhp for a non M model!
It's good news, a lightly boosted version of the current 340i and 440i that have the M Power, Performance and Sound Kit which provide a performance exhaust and light remap to 360bhp. I've got that package now and it's fantastic. Ninja59 said:
No 335D? Sad times, or I suppose these days "340D".
It is interesting that BMW appear to be restricting the twin turbo variant of the B57 to a very small amount of vehicles, unless like with the 5 series BMW UK are artificially not bringing it over to the UK, due to lack of interest and sales (540D and M550D), which if memory serves will only leave the 740D, 840D and some of the 40D X range with the twin turbo B57 available on UK shores. Disappointing.
Dirty diesels!It is interesting that BMW appear to be restricting the twin turbo variant of the B57 to a very small amount of vehicles, unless like with the 5 series BMW UK are artificially not bringing it over to the UK, due to lack of interest and sales (540D and M550D), which if memory serves will only leave the 740D, 840D and some of the 40D X range with the twin turbo B57 available on UK shores. Disappointing.
Robert-nszl1 said:
I'm sure a very accomplished car, but while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, like so many current BMWs this one only it's mother could love!
Many manufactures seem to live in a post Bangle world of unnecessary creases, and jumbled/ fussy details. I wish someone would have the courage to revert to cleaner lines....
I am just going to leave this hereMany manufactures seem to live in a post Bangle world of unnecessary creases, and jumbled/ fussy details. I wish someone would have the courage to revert to cleaner lines....
Lets be honest, the 3 series (like the VW Golf) has reached a point where really there are no major improvements to be made. So all we are talking about is minor tweeks. Perhaps a bit less NVH, a chassis retune to make it feel more sporty and less comfortable, a different screen or button or two inside. That sort of thing.
Handling wise, with the same architecture (McP front, multilink back) and a few minor changes (different bushing, slightly wider track etc) then it's not suddenly going to become a caterham overnight. In fact, i suspect that BMW alternate their chassis tunes between models (comfort -> sporty -> comfort -> sporty) simply to give then something to "improve" over the last model.....
Handling wise, with the same architecture (McP front, multilink back) and a few minor changes (different bushing, slightly wider track etc) then it's not suddenly going to become a caterham overnight. In fact, i suspect that BMW alternate their chassis tunes between models (comfort -> sporty -> comfort -> sporty) simply to give then something to "improve" over the last model.....
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 2nd October 12:00
M Powered said:
Robert-nszl1 said:
I'm sure a very accomplished car, but while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, like so many current BMWs this one only it's mother could love!
Many manufactures seem to live in a post Bangle world of unnecessary creases, and jumbled/ fussy details. I wish someone would have the courage to revert to cleaner lines....
I am just going to leave this hereMany manufactures seem to live in a post Bangle world of unnecessary creases, and jumbled/ fussy details. I wish someone would have the courage to revert to cleaner lines....
jamoor said:
I can't be thinking that the whole thing looks remarkably old fashioned.
Does it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
When autonomous driving is still such a distant reality, they are right to not compromise other aspects of the design/car to fit in with it.Does it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
Bound to be elements of the same tech as seen in the 5 & & in there though.
Krikkit said:
Wills2 said:
NJJ said:
sidesauce said:
...waits for comments about the door handles being different heights.
Now that I've seen that I cannot unsee it! 
Indeed, my brain had managed to skip over them. Now it can't!Usually what BMW essentially do is as you go higher up the range more tech becomes standard and the nicer engines.
I do think some of the specification on certain models is a bit harsh like folding split seats on some of the lower range models, I mean really?
Usually what also happens is some of the material choices get reduced down to meet cost constraints and equally things like lined storage areas disappear.
The last one might sound petty but for someone who hates items rattling in storage areas it is amazing the amount having a lined areas can help.
I know many have commented on the design I like a lot of it, but that front bumper and the lights does look a tad "odd". In some of the side profile I do see some AR as well.
I do think some of the specification on certain models is a bit harsh like folding split seats on some of the lower range models, I mean really?
Usually what also happens is some of the material choices get reduced down to meet cost constraints and equally things like lined storage areas disappear.
The last one might sound petty but for someone who hates items rattling in storage areas it is amazing the amount having a lined areas can help.
I know many have commented on the design I like a lot of it, but that front bumper and the lights does look a tad "odd". In some of the side profile I do see some AR as well.
Ninja59 said:
kambites said:
Well both. BMW decide not to bring cars here because if and only if they wouldn't generate them a net profit. Fashions in the market obviously play a large part in the profitability of a particular model/variant.
Of course we make something of a rod for our own back in that regard by driving on the "wrong" side of the road.
Exactly Of course we make something of a rod for our own back in that regard by driving on the "wrong" side of the road.
.I am surprised rather like you mention that BMW has not combined a 6 pot with a petrol. I suspect part of the restriction is torque as BMW use ZF's hybrid system which replaces the TC.
kambites said:
I think the problem is that the shoulder lines of modern cars have risen for crash safety reasons so there's a far higher ratio of door to glass-house. The swathe lines are used to hide this proportional mess; if you removed them but kept the proportions the same they'd look incredibly slab-sided.
I was under the impression that manufacturers created creases and swathe lines on large panels to stop them flapping about like a sail in the wind and drumming through road/wind vibration. At least that's what some guy in a body shop told me. It means manufacturers don't have to add loads of support on the opposite side of the panel along with the crash protection leading to a lighter car. Admittedly, it can look pish.I can't get excited about any sort of 3 series. Like many cars these days it's little more than an appliance now. However, I dare say if I worked a job where I had to spend hours trapped inside a car navigating our horribly congested road network then I would perhaps feel a small glimmer of "want" when looking at the comfy looking seats in the photos.
Ares said:
M Powered said:
Robert-nszl1 said:
I'm sure a very accomplished car, but while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, like so many current BMWs this one only it's mother could love!
Many manufactures seem to live in a post Bangle world of unnecessary creases, and jumbled/ fussy details. I wish someone would have the courage to revert to cleaner lines....
I am just going to leave this hereMany manufactures seem to live in a post Bangle world of unnecessary creases, and jumbled/ fussy details. I wish someone would have the courage to revert to cleaner lines....
front = ooooooo
side = mmmmmmmmmm
rear = huh? Audi huh?
i struggle with knowing whats what now that we have m140i ( 40 suggests 4 litres and 1 is clearly a 1 series but 140? whats the correllation to engine size or output? same for the M240i and M340i - is the 40i telling us its always a 3 litre with that demonination? baffling.
320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....
wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....
wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
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