RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender - first sighting!
Discussion
David87 said:
Are they assuming the folk who buy these will be so stupid they have to write 'STOP' and 'GO' on the pedals? 
Edit: that rev counter seems to suggest petrol power, no? Good.
Well it’s a LHD vehicle. So likely in the USA or at least testing over there. For the N American market it would be unlikely to be diesel. Over here. Not so sure. I know there is some hysteria, but tbh a diesel is still a good choice in a 4x4. Edit: that rev counter seems to suggest petrol power, no? Good.
B10 said:
Looks like there is a middle seat unless I am mistaken.
This was my first thought too... Looks as tough inside as a new Amarok or Navara and will no doubt be ambitiously engineered and probably costly somewhere down the line! The days of taking a Defender (or any production 4x4) up to it's windscreen in floodwater have long gone. I can't think of anything mass produced that doesn't have fancy electronics for emissions and safety purposes nowadays. Those who want to play in the deep stuff will find an old Defender/Disco/Hilux to play with. I do just at least hope a manual is an option!
DomRoePhotography said:
B10 said:
Looks like there is a middle seat unless I am mistaken.
This was my first thought too... Looks as tough inside as a new Amarok or Navara and will no doubt be ambitiously engineered and probably costly somewhere down the line! The days of taking a Defender (or any production 4x4) up to it's windscreen in floodwater have long gone. I can't think of anything mass produced that doesn't have fancy electronics for emissions and safety purposes nowadays. Those who want to play in the deep stuff will find an old Defender/Disco/Hilux to play with. I do just at least hope a manual is an option!
YouTube is littered with videos of such.
For the US market the benchmark is going to be the Jeep Wrangler.
So as long as it can broadly match the Wrangler I think that’ll be fine.
Mafffew said:
"Leaked" is a bit of a reach I think. Looks very staged, including Richard Agnew's response claiming legal are on the way...
Dacia called saying Romanian legal is on the way for copyright infringement on cheap crappy plastic interiors. Romanian legal also only asks questions later... 
yellowstreak said:
Auto-box. 
I drive a lot of different cars from manufacturers such as Land Rover, Toyota, Isuzu, etc on a weekly basis due to my business, and it’s quite rare to find a manual box in a newish Land Rover.On the rare occasion I get in a Land Rover and find a clutch pedal and gear stick, I almost can’t be arsed driving it.
Also, many of the Hilux, Isuzu, etc now sold are automatic.
My wife’s Cayenne is auto, my Dad’s Range Rover is auto, my mums Discovey is auto...
I can think of only a miniscule number of circumstances where it would be better to have a manual gearbox these days.
An auto box is certainly an easier and more enjoyable drive in most vehicles.
Cold said:
yellowstreak said:
Auto-box.
Much better off road and for towing. Lord Marylebone said:
yellowstreak said:
Auto-box.
I drive a lot of different cars from manufacturers such as Land Rover, Toyota, Isuzu, etc on a weekly basis due to my business, and it’s quite rare to find a manual box in a newish Land Rover.On the rare occasion I get in a Land Rover and find a clutch pedal and gear stick, I almost can’t be arsed driving it.
Also, many of the Hilux, Isuzu, etc now sold are automatic.
My wife’s Cayenne is auto, my Dad’s Range Rover is auto, my mums Discovey is auto...
I can think of only a miniscule number of circumstances where it would be better to have a manual gearbox these days.
An auto box is certainly an easier and more enjoyable drive in most vehicles.
llcoolmac said:
Anyway I think this will be an abject failure. JLR just don't seem to understand any of their markets.
Yes. The last Defender was dirt cheap and sold in its hundreds of thousands, year on year,to mines, utility companies, farmers and business users all over the world.
Oh, no - that was actually the Japanese pickups which modern Land Rover would never, nor could ever, compete with.
Still, it’s a point we’ve never heard on a thread about the new Defender.
andyj007 said:
another pile of electronic s
te from land rover, no doubt to spend more time in the dealer ship being fixed than driven.. bring it on....
love a good laugh..
Another dwad spouting cut and paste nonsense on a JLR thread no doubt with zero first hand experience.te from land rover, no doubt to spend more time in the dealer ship being fixed than driven.. bring it on.... love a good laugh..
Give it a rest.....
Nobody’s laughing.
NomduJour said:
Yes. The last Defender was dirt cheap and sold in its hundreds of thousands, year on year,
to mines, utility companies, farmers and business users all over the world.
Oh, no - that was actually the Japanese pickups which modern Land Rover would never, nor could ever, compete with.
This a thousand times over. Cheap reliable pickups rule the day for all of the above users who care about cost, reliability, and a decent level of off-road capability. For your fully fledged off road enthusiasts then sure, a Defender or similar will go further; but how many sales do these account for? to mines, utility companies, farmers and business users all over the world.
Oh, no - that was actually the Japanese pickups which modern Land Rover would never, nor could ever, compete with.
I don't see why they've rebooted the Defender to be honest as the LR product line seems diverse enough. They can't sell it for loads a la the G Wagen as it will tread on the full fat RR's toes. They're unlikely to sell it for peanuts as to not devalue the brand, and realistically they're looking to cash in on the Defender name.
NomduJour said:
llcoolmac said:
Anyway I think this will be an abject failure. JLR just don't seem to understand any of their markets.
Yes. The last Defender was dirt cheap and sold in its hundreds of thousands, year on year,to mines, utility companies, farmers and business users all over the world.
Oh, no - that was actually the Japanese pickups which modern Land Rover would never, nor could ever, compete with.
Still, it’s a point we’ve never heard on a thread about the new Defender.
And a heck of a lot are still used for industry. Not just here but in other countries too such as parts of Africa.
I regularly see late model 110’s with custom rear tubs/body or even cranes on. For various electric/water boards.
Saw 3 of these yesterday. And they aren’t exactly a rare site in and around the region.
Plus more specialist ones. Note the Puma bonnet and reg. Only a year before production ceased.
As an observation I still see far more Land Rovers kitted out like this than I do Japanese pickups.
300, they sold where the British govt locked out all competition.
Hence why they sold in the colonies right up until those colonies became independent and the U.K. government lost the ability to block competition.
They sold well to the utility firms right up until those firms were nationalised and the U.K. government lost the ability to block out competition.
They sold well to the MOD until too many people died for the U.K. government to continue locking out competition.
They sold to U.K. farmers until the instant that cheaper and better products were available after the U.K. government dropped the tariffs that had kept them out.
The only fair and free market they ever sold to were lifestyle blokes who just wanted them for a bit of fun as urban runabouts.
Now they are building a product that won’t just appeal to Londoners but to people like them across the world. People who want some fun and have the disposable income to lob at it. LR have completely understood their market.
Hence why they sold in the colonies right up until those colonies became independent and the U.K. government lost the ability to block competition.
They sold well to the utility firms right up until those firms were nationalised and the U.K. government lost the ability to block out competition.
They sold well to the MOD until too many people died for the U.K. government to continue locking out competition.
They sold to U.K. farmers until the instant that cheaper and better products were available after the U.K. government dropped the tariffs that had kept them out.
The only fair and free market they ever sold to were lifestyle blokes who just wanted them for a bit of fun as urban runabouts.
Now they are building a product that won’t just appeal to Londoners but to people like them across the world. People who want some fun and have the disposable income to lob at it. LR have completely understood their market.
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