Private car sale - Letter of court action

Private car sale - Letter of court action

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cj2013

1,372 posts

126 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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jjr1 said:
Bought and sold a st load of cars privately and never once had comeback. The closest I had was a trader who bought off me a Porsche 911 and then admitting he hadn't properly understood my description of PCM and thought the car had Sat Nav. He sold the car at a huge loss but just laughed it off in a phone call to me sometime later.
Surely he didn't make a "huge loss" based purely on the fact it didn't have Sat Nav?

Assuming it was a 996 by your description

mcg_

1,445 posts

92 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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Imagine how great it would feel to send them a letter with just two words

fk off

MikeDB1

238 posts

74 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Jasandjules said:
Do not say "see you in court" but "In the event that you resort to litigation it is beyond doubt that your claim has no prospects of success however for the avoidance of doubt we will have no alternative but to defend the same and seek any and all costs incurred in so doing" or somesuch.

IF they do lodge a claim, let us know on here......
Unfortunately in the small claims court, the defendant rarely gets any costs due to the structure of the court. Neither does the plaitiff usually, although the judge does have more discretion on this if (s)he feels the defendant could/should have settled long before it got to court.

NotBenny

3,917 posts

180 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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Whatever happened here? Been long enough that it’s either resolved or been rescalated somewhat.

jjr1

3,023 posts

260 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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cj2013 said:
jjr1 said:
Bought and sold a st load of cars privately and never once had comeback. The closest I had was a trader who bought off me a Porsche 911 and then admitting he hadn't properly understood my description of PCM and thought the car had Sat Nav. He sold the car at a huge loss but just laughed it off in a phone call to me sometime later.
Surely he didn't make a "huge loss" based purely on the fact it didn't have Sat Nav?

Assuming it was a 996 by your description
It was a 997 and they were impossible to sell without sat nav at 2 years old.

sco_steve

53 posts

70 months

Friday 22nd February 2019
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If a private sale the no grounds in my opinion and any court would rule in favour of the seller.

Caveat emptor, and a second hand car and the buyer must satisfy them before sale.

Unless a dealer, or distance sale, if they had seen the car before purchase and description was true then in my un-qualified legal opinion, there should be no issue.

Citizens advice or a solicitor should advise though.

If it were me, in my opinion (unqualified and in no way legally qualified), I would suggest that any action would be met with a claim for any legal costs via my solicitor.

AdeTuono

7,254 posts

227 months

Friday 22nd February 2019
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sco_steve said:
If a private sale the no grounds in my opinion and any court would rule in favour of the seller.

Caveat emptor, and a second hand car and the buyer must satisfy them before sale.

Unless a dealer, or distance sale, if they had seen the car before purchase and description was true then in my un-qualified legal opinion, there should be no issue.

Citizens advice or a solicitor should advise though.

If it were me, in my opinion (unqualified and in no way legally qualified), I would suggest that any action would be met with a claim for any legal costs via my solicitor.
I think we covered all that last October.

Mandalore

4,220 posts

113 months

Friday 22nd February 2019
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AdeTuono said:
I think we covered all that last October.
Look who it is. (again)

rolleyes

AdeTuono

7,254 posts

227 months

Friday 22nd February 2019
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Mandalore said:
AdeTuono said:
I think we covered all that last October.
Oh look who it is. (again)

:rolleys:
confused

Thats What She Said

1,152 posts

88 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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NotBenny said:
Whatever happened here? Been long enough that it’s either resolved or been rescalated somewhat.
It's a shame the OP never came back to update us.

If I were to guess, I would say he took our advice (hopefully) and ignored any further communication. This probably resulted in the chancer in this story just going away.

sco_steve

53 posts

70 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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AdeTuono said:
Mandalore said:
AdeTuono said:
I think we covered all that last October.
Oh look who it is. (again)

:rolleys:
confused
A thread is never dead on pistonheads!

segart

61 posts

135 months

Friday 17th May 2019
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Good idea keeping such threads for reference, but having waded thru 5 pages of this one to find that the op could not be @rsed to update it, it should be deleted imo.
Rick

kestral

1,735 posts

207 months

Friday 17th May 2019
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He received a solicitors letter and refunded the money but could not bring himself to let PH's know he had let them down.laugh

moooooobss

Original Poster:

19 posts

66 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Hi everyone

Just resurrecting this thread as we had our day in court last week and I thought I would update everyone with the results.

Short of it is that we sat down with a judge. Judge explained to both parties that the fact that the vehicle may be unfit for purpose is irrelevant in a private sale. The only laws that have to be followed are that the person has the right to sell the vehicle. It be road worthy and that it was not miss described.

Some discussions between the judge and claiment took place. We, as the defendant, were not asked to provide any evidence as the judge had made a decision based on the claiments evidence.

The decision was that the vehicle was not miss described and there fore the case was dismissed.

So after a long two years this has finally been put to bed.

So there you have it folks. I hope no one else has to go through our experience but I just thought I would provide this update for anyone else out there who is looking for answers as I was when I started this thread.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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can you sue for costs?

moooooobss

Original Poster:

19 posts

66 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Probably but at this point we just want to be done with it

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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moooooobss said:
Hi everyone

Just resurrecting this thread as we had our day in court last week and I thought I would update everyone with the results.

Short of it is that we sat down with a judge. Judge explained to both parties that the fact that the vehicle may be unfit for purpose is irrelevant in a private sale. The only laws that have to be followed are that the person has the right to sell the vehicle. It be road worthy and that it was not miss described.

Some discussions between the judge and claiment took place. We, as the defendant, were not asked to provide any evidence as the judge had made a decision based on the claiments evidence.

The decision was that the vehicle was not miss described and there fore the case was dismissed.

So after a long two years this has finally been put to bed.

So there you have it folks. I hope no one else has to go through our experience but I just thought I would provide this update for anyone else out there who is looking for answers as I was when I started this thread.
Excellent news - Thanks for following up
Great result for you.

Janluke

2,585 posts

158 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Delighted it all worked out and many many thanks for updating the thread

Scrump

22,014 posts

158 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Thanks for updating the thread.
Great result. thumbup

moooooobss

Original Poster:

19 posts

66 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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ash73 said:
I remember reading somewhere (probably on here) this is why you should never say things like "in good condition" in an advert, just describe what it is and any known faults.
Best approach is to say as little as possible smile