RE: 2019 Porsche 911: PH goes shotgun in the 992
Discussion
_Leg_ said:
"this car coming with Lane Keeping Assist and Lane Departure Warning systems"
Sorry, I'm still stuck on this stupidity.
If people can't keep a f
king car between 2 white lines and need ste like this to get safely from A to B then which idiot is issuing them with a license? Surely the "keep it between the kerb and the white line" test is pretty much the most basic skill needed to drive?
Porsche could just admit it's there to improve their Euro NCAP / NHTSA safety rating and has nothing to do with how (in)convenient it is or whether customers want it. Sorry, I'm still stuck on this stupidity.
If people can't keep a f
king car between 2 white lines and need ste like this to get safely from A to B then which idiot is issuing them with a license? Surely the "keep it between the kerb and the white line" test is pretty much the most basic skill needed to drive?As it was they spouted a load of marketing b
ks just like they did with a lot of other stuff in that article.
myhandle said:
I don’t think I have particularly low standards in regard to cars, but pretty much uniquely on this thread, I would be really happy with this car and would feel quite lucky to have it. It’s a really nice brand new sports car, well made, looks good, nice and powerful and is just an all-round nice object. I love classics but this car would be an ideal daily driver. Riviera Blue special order please with very dark grey leather, PDK and silver alloys.
+1. Nothing wrong with your standards mate....IMO the 911 hasn't really been a sports car for several generations but that's really not a bad thing; Porsche have the Cayman/Boxster to fulfill that role while the 911 focuses more on its GT credentials. Driver assists fit very well with that remit as, eventually, will the option of full automation.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 11th October 19:59
Nanook said:
If white lines are a challenge, that person should not be shopping for a car anywhere, but thats not what this system is for.
Accidents happen, if they didn't we wouldn't need seatbelts and airbags and crumple zones.
If this thing beeps at one person that's not realised how tired they were, and prompts them to pull over for a break, it seems like a good thing to me.
I see your point mate. I really do. I have a natural distaste for anything that makes our world too safe and compensates for incompetence. Holds the species back. Too much of that and at some stage we'll have to build a fleet of Golgafrincham Ark Ships to get shut of the retards. I suspect we're already there tbh.Accidents happen, if they didn't we wouldn't need seatbelts and airbags and crumple zones.
If this thing beeps at one person that's not realised how tired they were, and prompts them to pull over for a break, it seems like a good thing to me.
dgswk said:
myhandle said:
I don’t think I have particularly low standards in regard to cars, but pretty much uniquely on this thread, I would be really happy with this car and would feel quite lucky to have it. It’s a really nice brand new sports car, well made, looks good, nice and powerful and is just an all-round nice object. I love classics but this car would be an ideal daily driver. Riviera Blue special order please with very dark grey leather, PDK and silver alloys.
+1. Nothing wrong with your standards mate....Nanook said:
_Leg_ said:
I see your point mate. I really do. I have a natural distaste for anything that makes our world too safe and compensates for incompetence. Holds the species back. Too much of that and at some stage we'll have to build a fleet of Golgafrincham Ark Ships to get shut of the retards. I suspect we're already there tbh.
There was a time when it have posted what you did earlier, but I'm embracing modern technology. I can adjust my heating and turn on my robot hoover by voice control from my couch these days, it's making us lazy. 
I'd like to ask the new 9111 99 1 2 the following question
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45367980
A Porsche 911 was always my dream car particularly the 80's and early 90's shape and size which I though was just about perfect in every way, but since then a 911 would be the last thing that would grace my garage they have turned into huge fat bulbous lumps and not too pretty either this new 992 is about as far away from that classic 911 shape as is possible...high performance yes but pretty it is not.
Its a good job Porsche has a very loyal 911 customer base who will buy anything they care to produce.
Its a good job Porsche has a very loyal 911 customer base who will buy anything they care to produce.
chandrew said:
992 Turbo Convertible spotted last weekend on the autobahn
Looks like Kim Kardashian from behind.I love 911s, but in all honesty the 991.x generation was hit or miss visually for me, and this is just another step in the wrong direction IMO.
I'm sure it'll drive brilliantly and sell well, but I think the watercooled cars peaked with the 997.2 models.
sidesauce said:
nd that's why Lotus, Cateram and Morgan sales are through the roof every year. Oh, wait...
To be honest, I would rather have a Lotus or Caterham. Last 911 I drove was a 997 and since then they’ve just doubled down on the stuff that caused it to leave me cold. Basically the stuff necessary to make it acceptable to people who really like German saloon cars.sidesauce said:
nd that's why Lotus, Cateram and Morgan sales are through the roof every year. Oh, wait...
I understand your response towards rhetoric like that espoused by SFord - lets be real, he probably wasn't going to buy a new 911 even if it was NA and manual and under 1500 kg anyway. However, there's a 6 month waiting list for Caterhams and Ariel has a 2 year one for the Atom (I understand that yes this doesn't mean those companies are selling Ford-Fiesta-like numbers but it means something!)
I do find this forum tiring in that EVERY time a new sports/GT car is released there is the standard antediluvian response, especially considering Porsche has the only manual non-American supercar and it was released this year! (If one can consider the GT3 a supercar).
The market wants Tesla Model S/S-Classes in Porsche 911 bodies and thats fine - it doesn't affect me one iota as long as Porsche keep making enthusiast cars, which they appear to be doing
AmosMoses said:
Looks really clunky compared the the 991, and that looked really clunky compared to the 997.
I'm a huge fan of Porsche and no doubt this car will win me over, but they aren't pretty any more are they?
Remember when 21" rims where a rapper's way of pimping their SUV? Now its standard kit on a 911
A PR guy who saw it in the flesh says it does look better in the flesh...I'm a huge fan of Porsche and no doubt this car will win me over, but they aren't pretty any more are they?
Remember when 21" rims where a rapper's way of pimping their SUV? Now its standard kit on a 911
BlackPrince said:
I do find this forum tiring in that EVERY time a new sports/GT car is released there is the standard antediluvian response, especially considering Porsche has the only manual non-American supercar and it was released this year! (If one can consider the GT3 a supercar).
I agree with the thrust of your argument but I don't see how you can consider the GT3 to be a "supercar" but the Noble M600 not to be? Nanook said:
Seems like a positive step to me, and it's certainly not going to do you any harm.
It's another small reason why cars are getting bigger, and heavier, to house all the stuff no-one behind the wheel of a car should need. The more nanny systems are employed, the more people switch off, the more nannies are needed - it's a vicious cycle. We all have fully functioning lane departure warning systems on board - they're called eyes, and pivoting necks, and motor skills that enable coordinated use of our hands and feet. But I guess that's all a bit difficult.You might just think it's a few wires and connectors, but it all needs space, not just in-situ, but during assembly. This means larger sections, which means more material, which means more mass, which demands larger pillar sections to meet roof crush/NVH, which means worse visibility, which necessitates more electronic mitigation/intervention, which will need more space, and means more frontal area and mass, which means larger fuel tanks are needed (or more batteries) to meet range targets, which means more space/mass, which needs more suspension travel and therefore larger tyre envelopes to manage, which drives larger vehicles, which...you get the picture.
So, the all-pervading adoption of this stuff may not do us any harm, but it is slowly eroding what I value in a car, to the extent that there are no new cars on sale today that I actually want.
Because some people can't be arsed to turn their necks.
D.no said:
It's another small reason why cars are getting bigger, and heavier, to house all the stuff no-one behind the wheel of a car should need. The more nanny systems are employed, the more people switch off, the more nannies are needed - it's a vicious cycle. We all have fully functioning lane departure warning systems on board - they're called eyes, and pivoting necks, and motor skills that enable coordinated use of our hands and feet. But I guess that's all a bit difficult.
You might just think it's a few wires and connectors, but it all needs space, not just in-situ, but during assembly. This means larger sections, which means more material, which means more mass, which demands larger pillar sections to meet roof crush/NVH, which means worse visibility, which necessitates more electronic mitigation/intervention, which will need more space, and means more frontal area and mass, which means larger fuel tanks are needed (or more batteries) to meet range targets, which means more space/mass, which needs more suspension travel and therefore larger tyre envelopes to manage, which drives larger vehicles, which...you get the picture.
So, the all-pervading adoption of this stuff may not do us any harm, but it is slowly eroding what I value in a car, to the extent that there are no new cars on sale today that I actually want.
Because some people can't be arsed to turn their necks.
Well said.You might just think it's a few wires and connectors, but it all needs space, not just in-situ, but during assembly. This means larger sections, which means more material, which means more mass, which demands larger pillar sections to meet roof crush/NVH, which means worse visibility, which necessitates more electronic mitigation/intervention, which will need more space, and means more frontal area and mass, which means larger fuel tanks are needed (or more batteries) to meet range targets, which means more space/mass, which needs more suspension travel and therefore larger tyre envelopes to manage, which drives larger vehicles, which...you get the picture.
So, the all-pervading adoption of this stuff may not do us any harm, but it is slowly eroding what I value in a car, to the extent that there are no new cars on sale today that I actually want.
Because some people can't be arsed to turn their necks.
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