RE: VW Up GTI v Mazda 2 GT Sport v Suzuki Swift Sport
Discussion
cj2013 said:
I'm not much of a VAG fan at all, and generally have avoided owning anything of that marque over the years, but I did work at a VW garage for a while and, as such, drove a lot of the range.
I'm not in the market for a new car, and there are many things I'd rather spend £13k+ on, but I would have an Up GTi - if only to continue my ownership of cars that remind me of proper old school hot hatches.
I imagine it's a lot of fun to drive, as even the bog standard ones are nippy and chuckable, if sparse.
I wonder whether the normal Up 1.0T (90PS) might be the most fit for purpose B-road car due to it having smaller rims and chunkier tyres than the Up GTI, plus usefully smaller dimensions than the Mazda 2 whose proportions make it a B-segment car.I'm not in the market for a new car, and there are many things I'd rather spend £13k+ on, but I would have an Up GTi - if only to continue my ownership of cars that remind me of proper old school hot hatches.
I imagine it's a lot of fun to drive, as even the bog standard ones are nippy and chuckable, if sparse.
Unfortunately I worry about VW direct injection engines based on their past flawed designs and I worry about all downsized turbo DI engines especially now Ford's Ecoboost problems have been acknowledged and Vauxhall-PSA seem to be withdrawing their troubled 1.0T in the Adam and Corsa.
DazzaSport said:
Suzuki have most definitely not 'dropped the ball' with the new car. It's better in pretty much every way compared to the old car.
I should know as I have the previous Sport and the brand new Sport both sat next to each other on my drive way.
I felt I had to join the forum to voice my opinion. I've driven both cars back to back - hard. Pistonheads reviewers have it round the wrong way. The new car is more agile than the old one. Drive both cars one after the other, and it's immediately obvious that turn-in is much sharper in the new car. It feels lighter in the nose.
I've drove the old car for a solid two years (a 2016 model)... I agree it is a brilliant little car to drive. But, it took less than 2 months to realise that the new car is even better. The reviewers mention a lack of confidence when driving the new car. For me, it's again - round the other way. The new car is much more confident than the old car. Where the old car would have you backing off during high speed cornering, the new car inspires much more confidence. Within a month or so, I was taking high speed corners at a much higher speed than the old car.
What I will say though, is that the new car is more refined than the old one. That gives the impression that the car is softer than the old car. It isn't. Again, I've driven both cars down familiar roads. You definitely get more thrown around in the new car. Even if the more refined ride is at odds with that.
Besides, don't take my word for it. Suzuki have stated themselves that the car is stiffer than the outgoing Sport... And roll stiffness is up 5% on the old car. So even if the car 'feels' softer (because of new refinements), it actually isn't.
Some reviews have suggested that the new car is not as much fun as the old car as well. Claiming that the rear end resolutely cannot be budged. That's rubbish too. I can confirm that both cars can be managed through a slide in exactly the same fashion. The only difference is grip. Suzuki did a lot of work to the suspension in the new car, to maintain 'wheel geometry' during high load / compression of the suspension. So despite having the exact same size wheels and tyres. The new car maintains a better contact patch with the tarmac. That extra grip means that the car hangs on that little bit more before allowing you to manage the slide through a turn. The result then, on some of my favourite bends, is that both cars can manage a slide between front and rear axles by modulating throttle, etc. But the new car needs more speed to get to that point. That's the only difference.
I guess, some might say the old cars abilities are a little more easily accessible. So more 'easy to access' fun for the average driver. But for those of us with better than average driving ability, the new car is just as much fun, it's an altogether more accomplished driving tool compared to the old car. It's much more precise and stable at speed as well.
I can understand the comments about the new car being more 'grown up' though. The old car feels 'scrappy' all the time. Whereas the 'scrappy' character of the new car is hidden under a layer of refinement. The new car is a great every day car, comfortable enough to use all the time. Even if you're not in the mood. But, the moment you press the go pedal, and grab it by the scruff of the neck... 'scrappy' immediately comes out to play. It's more Jeckyll and Hyde than the old car.
So there you have it. The thoughts of a 40-something old school hot hatch admirer. I got into Swift Sports because I wanted to relive the lightweight, back to basics hot hatch thrills of the 80's and 90's. I can safely say that both cars well and truly deliver. Plus, if the new turbo variant wasn't up to par. I would have felt like I had lost something when moving from the old car. I feel that nothing has been lost, and in fact I've gained quite a bit. The new car is a brilliant drivers car, and offers a considerable amount of extra performance over the old car. In both power delivery and the chassis dynamic.
So there must be something that I don't like in the new car right? Well, yes... It's the steering wheel itself. The new car has one of those currently popular 'D' shaped wheels. I'm not keen on it. Give me a round steering wheel please - like the old car.
Last few comments then. Yes, that engine is a gem. I'm a big fan of a good NA powerplant. But the new turbo Swift Sports engine is a cracking little engine. Like you mentioned. It pulls everywhere. It makes more power than Suzuki claim as well.
Price. For me, I think it's worth the money. A similarly specified Fiesta ST is quite a few thousand more. The Up! GTI may well be cheaper, but compared to the Swift Sport it's spec sheet is barren. Besides, I only paid £16,499 for mine.
Talking of the Up! GTI. Some VW fans would have you believe that its the best thing since sliced bread. But I consider the old Swift Sport to be better than the Up! GTI ever was. It was cheaper, and still better equipped... And it's got a better chassis. Yet the Up! GTI will sell in greater numbers because of the GTI badge - despite Suzuki having better reliability.
Dazza,I should know as I have the previous Sport and the brand new Sport both sat next to each other on my drive way.
I felt I had to join the forum to voice my opinion. I've driven both cars back to back - hard. Pistonheads reviewers have it round the wrong way. The new car is more agile than the old one. Drive both cars one after the other, and it's immediately obvious that turn-in is much sharper in the new car. It feels lighter in the nose.
I've drove the old car for a solid two years (a 2016 model)... I agree it is a brilliant little car to drive. But, it took less than 2 months to realise that the new car is even better. The reviewers mention a lack of confidence when driving the new car. For me, it's again - round the other way. The new car is much more confident than the old car. Where the old car would have you backing off during high speed cornering, the new car inspires much more confidence. Within a month or so, I was taking high speed corners at a much higher speed than the old car.
What I will say though, is that the new car is more refined than the old one. That gives the impression that the car is softer than the old car. It isn't. Again, I've driven both cars down familiar roads. You definitely get more thrown around in the new car. Even if the more refined ride is at odds with that.
Besides, don't take my word for it. Suzuki have stated themselves that the car is stiffer than the outgoing Sport... And roll stiffness is up 5% on the old car. So even if the car 'feels' softer (because of new refinements), it actually isn't.
Some reviews have suggested that the new car is not as much fun as the old car as well. Claiming that the rear end resolutely cannot be budged. That's rubbish too. I can confirm that both cars can be managed through a slide in exactly the same fashion. The only difference is grip. Suzuki did a lot of work to the suspension in the new car, to maintain 'wheel geometry' during high load / compression of the suspension. So despite having the exact same size wheels and tyres. The new car maintains a better contact patch with the tarmac. That extra grip means that the car hangs on that little bit more before allowing you to manage the slide through a turn. The result then, on some of my favourite bends, is that both cars can manage a slide between front and rear axles by modulating throttle, etc. But the new car needs more speed to get to that point. That's the only difference.
I guess, some might say the old cars abilities are a little more easily accessible. So more 'easy to access' fun for the average driver. But for those of us with better than average driving ability, the new car is just as much fun, it's an altogether more accomplished driving tool compared to the old car. It's much more precise and stable at speed as well.
I can understand the comments about the new car being more 'grown up' though. The old car feels 'scrappy' all the time. Whereas the 'scrappy' character of the new car is hidden under a layer of refinement. The new car is a great every day car, comfortable enough to use all the time. Even if you're not in the mood. But, the moment you press the go pedal, and grab it by the scruff of the neck... 'scrappy' immediately comes out to play. It's more Jeckyll and Hyde than the old car.
So there you have it. The thoughts of a 40-something old school hot hatch admirer. I got into Swift Sports because I wanted to relive the lightweight, back to basics hot hatch thrills of the 80's and 90's. I can safely say that both cars well and truly deliver. Plus, if the new turbo variant wasn't up to par. I would have felt like I had lost something when moving from the old car. I feel that nothing has been lost, and in fact I've gained quite a bit. The new car is a brilliant drivers car, and offers a considerable amount of extra performance over the old car. In both power delivery and the chassis dynamic.
So there must be something that I don't like in the new car right? Well, yes... It's the steering wheel itself. The new car has one of those currently popular 'D' shaped wheels. I'm not keen on it. Give me a round steering wheel please - like the old car.
Last few comments then. Yes, that engine is a gem. I'm a big fan of a good NA powerplant. But the new turbo Swift Sports engine is a cracking little engine. Like you mentioned. It pulls everywhere. It makes more power than Suzuki claim as well.
Price. For me, I think it's worth the money. A similarly specified Fiesta ST is quite a few thousand more. The Up! GTI may well be cheaper, but compared to the Swift Sport it's spec sheet is barren. Besides, I only paid £16,499 for mine.
Talking of the Up! GTI. Some VW fans would have you believe that its the best thing since sliced bread. But I consider the old Swift Sport to be better than the Up! GTI ever was. It was cheaper, and still better equipped... And it's got a better chassis. Yet the Up! GTI will sell in greater numbers because of the GTI badge - despite Suzuki having better reliability.
Do you know what has happened to the Sport Owners Club I started a thread in the Jap Chat section - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... - hoping someone from the forum would see it and let us know.
DazzaSport said:
Suzuki have most definitely not 'dropped the ball' with the new car. It's better in pretty much every way compared to the old car.
I should know as I have the previous Sport and the brand new Sport both sat next to each other on my drive way.
I felt I had to join the forum to voice my opinion. I've driven both cars back to back - hard. Pistonheads reviewers have it round the wrong way. The new car is more agile than the old one. Drive both cars one after the other, and it's immediately obvious that turn-in is much sharper in the new car. It feels lighter in the nose.
I've drove the old car for a solid two years (a 2016 model)... I agree it is a brilliant little car to drive. But, it took less than 2 months to realise that the new car is even better. The reviewers mention a lack of confidence when driving the new car. For me, it's again - round the other way. The new car is much more confident than the old car. Where the old car would have you backing off during high speed cornering, the new car inspires much more confidence. Within a month or so, I was taking high speed corners at a much higher speed than the old car.
What I will say though, is that the new car is more refined than the old one. That gives the impression that the car is softer than the old car. It isn't. Again, I've driven both cars down familiar roads. You definitely get more thrown around in the new car. Even if the more refined ride is at odds with that.
Besides, don't take my word for it. Suzuki have stated themselves that the car is stiffer than the outgoing Sport... And roll stiffness is up 5% on the old car. So even if the car 'feels' softer (because of new refinements), it actually isn't.
Some reviews have suggested that the new car is not as much fun as the old car as well. Claiming that the rear end resolutely cannot be budged. That's rubbish too. I can confirm that both cars can be managed through a slide in exactly the same fashion. The only difference is grip. Suzuki did a lot of work to the suspension in the new car, to maintain 'wheel geometry' during high load / compression of the suspension. So despite having the exact same size wheels and tyres. The new car maintains a better contact patch with the tarmac. That extra grip means that the car hangs on that little bit more before allowing you to manage the slide through a turn. The result then, on some of my favourite bends, is that both cars can manage a slide between front and rear axles by modulating throttle, etc. But the new car needs more speed to get to that point. That's the only difference.
I guess, some might say the old cars abilities are a little more easily accessible. So more 'easy to access' fun for the average driver. But for those of us with better than average driving ability, the new car is just as much fun, it's an altogether more accomplished driving tool compared to the old car. It's much more precise and stable at speed as well.
I can understand the comments about the new car being more 'grown up' though. The old car feels 'scrappy' all the time. Whereas the 'scrappy' character of the new car is hidden under a layer of refinement. The new car is a great every day car, comfortable enough to use all the time. Even if you're not in the mood. But, the moment you press the go pedal, and grab it by the scruff of the neck... 'scrappy' immediately comes out to play. It's more Jeckyll and Hyde than the old car.
So there you have it. The thoughts of a 40-something old school hot hatch admirer. I got into Swift Sports because I wanted to relive the lightweight, back to basics hot hatch thrills of the 80's and 90's. I can safely say that both cars well and truly deliver. Plus, if the new turbo variant wasn't up to par. I would have felt like I had lost something when moving from the old car. I feel that nothing has been lost, and in fact I've gained quite a bit. The new car is a brilliant drivers car, and offers a considerable amount of extra performance over the old car. In both power delivery and the chassis dynamic.
So there must be something that I don't like in the new car right? Well, yes... It's the steering wheel itself. The new car has one of those currently popular 'D' shaped wheels. I'm not keen on it. Give me a round steering wheel please - like the old car.
Last few comments then. Yes, that engine is a gem. I'm a big fan of a good NA powerplant. But the new turbo Swift Sports engine is a cracking little engine. Like you mentioned. It pulls everywhere. It makes more power than Suzuki claim as well.
Price. For me, I think it's worth the money. A similarly specified Fiesta ST is quite a few thousand more. The Up! GTI may well be cheaper, but compared to the Swift Sport it's spec sheet is barren. Besides, I only paid £16,499 for mine.
Talking of the Up! GTI. Some VW fans would have you believe that its the best thing since sliced bread. But I consider the old Swift Sport to be better than the Up! GTI ever was. It was cheaper, and still better equipped... And it's got a better chassis. Yet the Up! GTI will sell in greater numbers because of the GTI badge - despite Suzuki having better reliability.
Nice interesting read, I have a 66 plate swift sport and would love to try the new one. That being said I got mine new for 13k so it’s a fair increase.I should know as I have the previous Sport and the brand new Sport both sat next to each other on my drive way.
I felt I had to join the forum to voice my opinion. I've driven both cars back to back - hard. Pistonheads reviewers have it round the wrong way. The new car is more agile than the old one. Drive both cars one after the other, and it's immediately obvious that turn-in is much sharper in the new car. It feels lighter in the nose.
I've drove the old car for a solid two years (a 2016 model)... I agree it is a brilliant little car to drive. But, it took less than 2 months to realise that the new car is even better. The reviewers mention a lack of confidence when driving the new car. For me, it's again - round the other way. The new car is much more confident than the old car. Where the old car would have you backing off during high speed cornering, the new car inspires much more confidence. Within a month or so, I was taking high speed corners at a much higher speed than the old car.
What I will say though, is that the new car is more refined than the old one. That gives the impression that the car is softer than the old car. It isn't. Again, I've driven both cars down familiar roads. You definitely get more thrown around in the new car. Even if the more refined ride is at odds with that.
Besides, don't take my word for it. Suzuki have stated themselves that the car is stiffer than the outgoing Sport... And roll stiffness is up 5% on the old car. So even if the car 'feels' softer (because of new refinements), it actually isn't.
Some reviews have suggested that the new car is not as much fun as the old car as well. Claiming that the rear end resolutely cannot be budged. That's rubbish too. I can confirm that both cars can be managed through a slide in exactly the same fashion. The only difference is grip. Suzuki did a lot of work to the suspension in the new car, to maintain 'wheel geometry' during high load / compression of the suspension. So despite having the exact same size wheels and tyres. The new car maintains a better contact patch with the tarmac. That extra grip means that the car hangs on that little bit more before allowing you to manage the slide through a turn. The result then, on some of my favourite bends, is that both cars can manage a slide between front and rear axles by modulating throttle, etc. But the new car needs more speed to get to that point. That's the only difference.
I guess, some might say the old cars abilities are a little more easily accessible. So more 'easy to access' fun for the average driver. But for those of us with better than average driving ability, the new car is just as much fun, it's an altogether more accomplished driving tool compared to the old car. It's much more precise and stable at speed as well.
I can understand the comments about the new car being more 'grown up' though. The old car feels 'scrappy' all the time. Whereas the 'scrappy' character of the new car is hidden under a layer of refinement. The new car is a great every day car, comfortable enough to use all the time. Even if you're not in the mood. But, the moment you press the go pedal, and grab it by the scruff of the neck... 'scrappy' immediately comes out to play. It's more Jeckyll and Hyde than the old car.
So there you have it. The thoughts of a 40-something old school hot hatch admirer. I got into Swift Sports because I wanted to relive the lightweight, back to basics hot hatch thrills of the 80's and 90's. I can safely say that both cars well and truly deliver. Plus, if the new turbo variant wasn't up to par. I would have felt like I had lost something when moving from the old car. I feel that nothing has been lost, and in fact I've gained quite a bit. The new car is a brilliant drivers car, and offers a considerable amount of extra performance over the old car. In both power delivery and the chassis dynamic.
So there must be something that I don't like in the new car right? Well, yes... It's the steering wheel itself. The new car has one of those currently popular 'D' shaped wheels. I'm not keen on it. Give me a round steering wheel please - like the old car.
Last few comments then. Yes, that engine is a gem. I'm a big fan of a good NA powerplant. But the new turbo Swift Sports engine is a cracking little engine. Like you mentioned. It pulls everywhere. It makes more power than Suzuki claim as well.
Price. For me, I think it's worth the money. A similarly specified Fiesta ST is quite a few thousand more. The Up! GTI may well be cheaper, but compared to the Swift Sport it's spec sheet is barren. Besides, I only paid £16,499 for mine.
Talking of the Up! GTI. Some VW fans would have you believe that its the best thing since sliced bread. But I consider the old Swift Sport to be better than the Up! GTI ever was. It was cheaper, and still better equipped... And it's got a better chassis. Yet the Up! GTI will sell in greater numbers because of the GTI badge - despite Suzuki having better reliability.
suzuki have really won me over with a simple nice product in my swift and o can see me sticking with the brand for my next car
I own a 1.6 Sport and have driven the new car (didn't like the handling or the steering) as for the Mazda and the VW they don't make the grade either one is too bland and the other is well just look at it.
If you want something with top notch handling and performance save up your pennies and buy a new Fiesta ST, I was blown away how good it was to drive, its in another league really.
If you want something with top notch handling and performance save up your pennies and buy a new Fiesta ST, I was blown away how good it was to drive, its in another league really.
BricktopST205 said:
The Suzuki is in a different league realistically. CTC have got one with their in house exhaust and remap putting out 180BHP already. That is BHP/Tonne levels of a Biposto and you do not need to be a dwarf to fit in one. It is also fully loaded.
I’m 6’3” and fit fine in a 500/biposto and I’m not the tallest 500 PH owner so surprised about the dwarf comment. Edited by BricktopST205 on Saturday 13th October 17:46
The Suzuki with 180bhp I’m sure would be fun to drive and in my eyes a better looking car than the Mazda.
ash73 said:
Is the rust proofing any better on non-MX5 Mazdas? Or do they all have the same problem?
My old MX5 NC (2008, sold in 2016) had no rust. The 3 is rust free too. I don't think it's an issue anymore. I hope not--we plan to run the 3 into the ground (and are hoping that won't be for some years).Northernlights said:
ash73 said:
Is the rust proofing any better on non-MX5 Mazdas? Or do they all have the same problem?
My old MX5 NC (2008, sold in 2016) had no rust. The 3 is rust free too. I don't think it's an issue anymore. I hope not--we plan to run the 3 into the ground (and are hoping that won't be for some years).I've never seen a rusty BL series Mazda 3.(09 - 13), although they do probably exist.
A mate ran a Mazda 6 from new in 2007 until last year. 170k miles and I can't remember him ever washing it but it was rust free. Shame he blew the engine (oil starvation).
From looking at the (newer) Mazdas I've owned they are OK these days.
tbox still wins, because advertising.BricktopST205 said:
The Suzuki is in a different league realistically. CTC have got one with their in house exhaust and remap putting out 180BHP already. That is BHP/Tonne levels of a Biposto and you do not need to be a dwarf to fit in one. It is also fully loaded.
I see your point. But when it comes to aftermarket mods some people have got their Abarth's putting out 300bhp + Edited by BricktopST205 on Saturday 13th October 17:46
The Swift's forte has always been about providing thrilling driving experiences in a reliable and affordable package. It's not about big numbers and outright power.
If only the Mazda had the new MX5 1.5. engine. Guess the market research shows it wouldn't sell in the UK in sufficient numbers to make it worthwhile. Shame really as I bet that would be a fun thing to drive. Mazda are bucking the trend by sticking with a naturally aspirated engine still and can build one that doesn't self destruct after a couple of years.
But could I please swap the Apple Carplay for all round disc brakes on the options list.
But could I please swap the Apple Carplay for all round disc brakes on the options list.
Ron99 said:
Looking at the pictures, the chunkier tyres of the Mazda look like they would allow the best progress on a typical UK B road.
Haha, you know I keep thinking this looking at the VW Up. Not a fan of the style of wheels, but I do look at the brakes and think maybe a set of 16 or even 15" Oz Superturismos or TD Pro races would fit over the brakes. In the case of the latter would put it in the very competitively priced 195/50r15 tyre size (replacing 195/40r17 stock). A favourite size of Clio 1*2 and Mx5 track cars.I am wondering if these are going to turn into the Clio 1*2 of 10-15 years time as at a glance they do seem to tick all the boxes.
I owned a 1.3 mazda 2 with the sporty body kit version on from new in 2009, was a fantastic little car. Even thoigh it only had 84hp on tap, you could ring it's neck every time and it had great balanced handling.
I got the dealer optioned eibach springs and sebring exhaust which made it more fun to drive than the stock car, and with the 30mm springs made it feel less floaty at motorway speeds. Ended up shredding tyres every 6 months due to how fun it was to drive, but it was a great car.
Then switched to the zc32s swift sport in 2014, which was also a great little car with more oopmh than the mazda. The mazda still felt slicker I reckon though in the way it drove day to day, but the extra 50 hp in the swift was fun.
I'm under no illusion that mazda 2s are very underrated little cars, and it's a shame you don't see more on the road (at least where I live!) I've moved onto bigger, fast machinery now but those two little cars provided many years of fun motoring. You don't always need massive power to have daily fun.
Don't underrated the new swift, they dyno at 150somwthing stock and CTC performance are busy making mods for the new swift, aiming for the 200ps mark with the <1000 kg weight, should be a fiesta st beater (probably needs an lsd though at that point..)
I got the dealer optioned eibach springs and sebring exhaust which made it more fun to drive than the stock car, and with the 30mm springs made it feel less floaty at motorway speeds. Ended up shredding tyres every 6 months due to how fun it was to drive, but it was a great car.
Then switched to the zc32s swift sport in 2014, which was also a great little car with more oopmh than the mazda. The mazda still felt slicker I reckon though in the way it drove day to day, but the extra 50 hp in the swift was fun.
I'm under no illusion that mazda 2s are very underrated little cars, and it's a shame you don't see more on the road (at least where I live!) I've moved onto bigger, fast machinery now but those two little cars provided many years of fun motoring. You don't always need massive power to have daily fun.
Don't underrated the new swift, they dyno at 150somwthing stock and CTC performance are busy making mods for the new swift, aiming for the 200ps mark with the <1000 kg weight, should be a fiesta st beater (probably needs an lsd though at that point..)
The Lupo gti was about £5000 over the competitors at the time, and heavily under spec’d in comparison. But the car was very different to the standard lupo, the finish (and arches) felt more out the Audi s3 design book then the Volkswagen one.
They were an absolute triumph in everything but sales.
They’ve obviously flipped that on the up to make sure it converts into sales by pricing it first and hot hatch second. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the 500 as that seems the ups competitor as that seems to tick the boxes in every way from looks, performance to exhaust burble.
I bloody love those seats and steering wheel in the up though, I just hope they haven’t watered down that GTi badge too much this time.
They were an absolute triumph in everything but sales.
They’ve obviously flipped that on the up to make sure it converts into sales by pricing it first and hot hatch second. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the 500 as that seems the ups competitor as that seems to tick the boxes in every way from looks, performance to exhaust burble.
I bloody love those seats and steering wheel in the up though, I just hope they haven’t watered down that GTi badge too much this time.
Schmoopy said:
The Lupo gti was about £5000 over the competitors at the time, and heavily under spec’d in comparison. But the car was very different to the standard lupo, the finish (and arches) felt more out the Audi s3 design book then the Volkswagen one.
They were an absolute triumph in everything but sales.
They’ve obviously flipped that on the up to make sure it converts into sales by pricing it first and hot hatch second. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the 500 as that seems the ups competitor as that seems to tick the boxes in every way from looks, performance to exhaust burble.
I bloody love those seats and steering wheel in the up though, I just hope they haven’t watered down that GTi badge too much this time.
I posted an Up vs 595 test earlier in this thread –They were an absolute triumph in everything but sales.
They’ve obviously flipped that on the up to make sure it converts into sales by pricing it first and hot hatch second. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the 500 as that seems the ups competitor as that seems to tick the boxes in every way from looks, performance to exhaust burble.
I bloody love those seats and steering wheel in the up though, I just hope they haven’t watered down that GTi badge too much this time.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/new-volkswagen-up-gti...
andrewparker said:
Onehp said:
Missed the Mazda completely. Sound perfect to me, bit slower doesn't matter. And if it does, maybe a little visit to BBR will do the trick?
The slowness of these cars is part of the appeal for me. In normal circumstances you can be on it more of the time, with less worry of disastrous law breaking.I mean if they had fizzy, feisty engines, still even at that power level.. I could understand... but these are all crap... lol
Even the review made them sound boring....
Shame really and that VW ain't no GTI.... it's just pants...
Zygot said:
If only the Mazda had the new MX5 1.5. engine. Guess the market research shows it wouldn't sell in the UK in sufficient numbers to make it worthwhile. Shame really as I bet that would be a fun thing to drive. Mazda are bucking the trend by sticking with a naturally aspirated engine still and can build one that doesn't self destruct after a couple of years.
But could I please swap the Apple Carplay for all round disc brakes on the options list.
Why, out of curiosity? I doubt that the car needs them, they might look better than drums but I really can't envisage a point where the car would need to have disc brakes given its performance and weight. It's a dinky warm hatch, they're perfectly acceptable. But could I please swap the Apple Carplay for all round disc brakes on the options list.
FN2TypeR said:
Why, out of curiosity? I doubt that the car needs them, they might look better than drums but I really can't envisage a point where the car would need to have disc brakes given its performance and weight. It's a dinky warm hatch, they're perfectly acceptable.
This was covered in the last thread on the UP, some people are simply unable to grasp how little the rear brakes do on a light, FWD hatch. Others require discs to make a fashion statement.V10Ace said:
andrewparker said:
Onehp said:
Missed the Mazda completely. Sound perfect to me, bit slower doesn't matter. And if it does, maybe a little visit to BBR will do the trick?
The slowness of these cars is part of the appeal for me. In normal circumstances you can be on it more of the time, with less worry of disastrous law breaking.I mean if they had fizzy, feisty engines, still even at that power level.. I could understand... but these are all crap... lol
Even the review made them sound boring....
Shame really and that VW ain't no GTI.... it's just pants..
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