RE: Rolls-Royce Cullinan: Driven
Discussion
Ares said:
Andy20vt said:
DonkeyApple said:
I think that because we can’t afford one we are supposed to hate it and hate those who can?
Nope it's not about hating something you can't afford. I can easily afford to buy one of these (or another similar overpriced SUV) but I would choose not to spend my money on one because at the end of the day it's a FAKE off roader that's designed for showing off only. Land Rover Defender however if I lived in the sticks then hey why not?"A press of a button unleashes Cullinan’s full off-road capability. All-wheel drive actively engages, providing uninterrupted torque to all four wheels for precise, reliable performance on dry, wet, snowy or icy surfaces. Suspension raises 40mm. Brake and acceleration responses adapt for greater control and comfort. Once engaged, the off-road setting can be finessed for optimum performance on any terrain, gradient or surface quality."
The images with this statement also show it on top of a sand dune, and mid way through a stream crossing. It's the similar sort of terrain Top Gear successfully crossed in a rusting little 2wd Lancia Beta.
Yet most of these, like most flashy FAKE offroaders will never venture outside of Chelsea or Alderley Edge? Go figure!
It's like owning one of those expensive diving style watches rated to 300m depth to impress your mates but you don't even like to get wet whilst you're at the beach. It's a FAKE diving watch. If you turned up at a dive school with the latest (insert generic expensive watch brand here) then you'd be laughed out of town. Most divers wear a cheap Suunto dive computer on their wrist and I've never yet seen anyone wear an expensive watch whilst diving. Most divers never go below 50m anyway as below there you're into the realms of highly dangerous tech diving.
Paying all that money to impress others and then actually realising that the real people who actually do the stuff that you like to talk about are not impressed. Realising that what you have purchased is style over substance, a t*rd that's been packaged and marketed well. Realising that you've been completely taken in by that marketing. Would make you look a bit of a tit don't you think?
let's be honest, the cars purpose is for some beautiful, slim, long legged wife of a Russian/UAE oil thief to step out from, on her way to the Opera/theatre/shopping/dinner.
presumably you can also have a drivers partition in the rear so you can bend her over the armrest and smash her back doors in, on the way home ?
presumably you can also have a drivers partition in the rear so you can bend her over the armrest and smash her back doors in, on the way home ?
One of these came up behind me on the M4 near Bristol on Sunday, to say it has road presence is an understatement!
My overwhelming reaction is that I don't like it, too slab sided and boxy, I'd prefer a Range Rover. But then most large SUV's are boxy to a certain extent even the RR. Maybe it would have to be an Alfa or Lamborghini, but they're catering for a different market.
My overwhelming reaction is that I don't like it, too slab sided and boxy, I'd prefer a Range Rover. But then most large SUV's are boxy to a certain extent even the RR. Maybe it would have to be an Alfa or Lamborghini, but they're catering for a different market.
E65Ross said:
Absurd to talk about it being too big to chuck it around like a sports car. It's not meant to be one. Not every expensive car is meant to be a sports car.
Exactly - i.e. there is absolutely no point in a sporty SUV, and sporty SUV's are an absolute steaming pile of rubbish when compared to a lower lighter car. I have driven a Cayenne, a work colleague lent it to me, it's his company car and he claims it handles like a sports car. I took it the long way back from my meeting to get some twisty cross country miles in. It was competent sure, and I suppose it handled okay (in an assisted electronics working hard to keep the heavy body in check kind of way). Wouldn't be a car I'd choose to drive for the sake of it though, which is what I look for in all my vehicles whether they be a hot hatch, family car or a sports car. Not a patch on a 911 which is absolutely light years ahead.
Hence again - what's the point in a sporty SUV if it isn't any fun to drive?
J4CKO said:
I quite like it, not sure I would even if I could but its a proper Rolls Royce, they used to do stuff in a similar vein back in the 1930s (Big tourers that got used off road) and its got plenty of gravitas, it doesnt scream niche or bandwagon.
No, It screams "vulgar" and "lottery winner". I can see exactly what kind of house that these things will be parked outside - I suspect they will have columns and gold taps.That is one hideous looking thing and, as I said, it just looks vulgar. I will, however, level that verdict at all RRs and Bentleys - genuinely I'd rather be seen in a Dacia Duster.
I don't think they're made for the UK or even Europe, the Middle East and China is where I guess the target market is.
Andy20vt said:
Hence again - what's the point in a sporty SUV if it isn't any fun to drive?
It's a compromise for those who don't know what "sporty" is, except for a harsh ride.Not that you can drive a Cayenne balls-out on the road anyway, without being an utter antisocial tossbag. But that applies to all properly fast stuff, anyway.
Andy20vt said:
Have you even bothered to read the marketing material? Just to save you the trouble of Google it says:
"A press of a button unleashes Cullinan’s full off-road capability. All-wheel drive actively engages, providing uninterrupted torque to all four wheels for precise, reliable performance on dry, wet, snowy or icy surfaces. Suspension raises 40mm. Brake and acceleration responses adapt for greater control and comfort. Once engaged, the off-road setting can be finessed for optimum performance on any terrain, gradient or surface quality."
The images with this statement also show it on top of a sand dune, and mid way through a stream crossing. It's the similar sort of terrain Top Gear successfully crossed in a rusting little 2wd Lancia Beta.
Yet most of these, like most flashy FAKE offroaders will never venture outside of Chelsea or Alderley Edge? Go figure!
It's like owning one of those expensive diving style watches rated to 300m depth to impress your mates but you don't even like to get wet whilst you're at the beach. It's a FAKE diving watch. If you turned up at a dive school with the latest (insert generic expensive watch brand here) then you'd be laughed out of town. Most divers wear a cheap Suunto dive computer on their wrist and I've never yet seen anyone wear an expensive watch whilst diving. Most divers never go below 50m anyway as below there you're into the realms of highly dangerous tech diving.
Paying all that money to impress others and then actually realising that the real people who actually do the stuff that you like to talk about are not impressed. Realising that what you have purchased is style over substance, a t*rd that's been packaged and marketed well. Realising that you've been completely taken in by that marketing. Would make you look a bit of a tit don't you think?
But it’s not saying it’s an off-roader is it. "A press of a button unleashes Cullinan’s full off-road capability. All-wheel drive actively engages, providing uninterrupted torque to all four wheels for precise, reliable performance on dry, wet, snowy or icy surfaces. Suspension raises 40mm. Brake and acceleration responses adapt for greater control and comfort. Once engaged, the off-road setting can be finessed for optimum performance on any terrain, gradient or surface quality."
The images with this statement also show it on top of a sand dune, and mid way through a stream crossing. It's the similar sort of terrain Top Gear successfully crossed in a rusting little 2wd Lancia Beta.
Yet most of these, like most flashy FAKE offroaders will never venture outside of Chelsea or Alderley Edge? Go figure!
It's like owning one of those expensive diving style watches rated to 300m depth to impress your mates but you don't even like to get wet whilst you're at the beach. It's a FAKE diving watch. If you turned up at a dive school with the latest (insert generic expensive watch brand here) then you'd be laughed out of town. Most divers wear a cheap Suunto dive computer on their wrist and I've never yet seen anyone wear an expensive watch whilst diving. Most divers never go below 50m anyway as below there you're into the realms of highly dangerous tech diving.
Paying all that money to impress others and then actually realising that the real people who actually do the stuff that you like to talk about are not impressed. Realising that what you have purchased is style over substance, a t*rd that's been packaged and marketed well. Realising that you've been completely taken in by that marketing. Would make you look a bit of a tit don't you think?
. It’s an SUV which can go off-road. It is a road car. It is obvious to everyone that it is a road car. It is for driving on the road. Everyone knows and understands the clear distinction. Even you. You know all too well that it is a road car not an off-roader. You know that it is not claiming to be an off-roader. And we all see what you really have an issue with. And we are all chuckling because you seem wonderfully oblivious that you fit neatly into the description of what you dislike but just at a lower level in the pecking order.
Nanook said:
but a 911 road car isn't a patch on a 911 race car
You can't take a race car on the road.Nanook said:
there are things Porsche could do with the road car that would make it faster, lighter, more hardcore, but all road cars are a compromise of some sort, because most people don't want digital clutches, no sound deadening, insanely stiff suspension, 5 point harnesses, etc. in their road car.
Not really the point. The point is that a sporty SUV makes for a sh*t sports car and also a sh*t off roader. Two giant steaming sh*ts rolled up in one ball of expensive and well marketed glitter.Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 17th October 08:51
DonkeyApple said:
Andy20vt said:
Have you even bothered to read the marketing material? Just to save you the trouble of Google it says:
"A press of a button unleashes Cullinan’s full off-road capability. All-wheel drive actively engages, providing uninterrupted torque to all four wheels for precise, reliable performance on dry, wet, snowy or icy surfaces. Suspension raises 40mm. Brake and acceleration responses adapt for greater control and comfort. Once engaged, the off-road setting can be finessed for optimum performance on any terrain, gradient or surface quality."
The images with this statement also show it on top of a sand dune, and mid way through a stream crossing. It's the similar sort of terrain Top Gear successfully crossed in a rusting little 2wd Lancia Beta.
Yet most of these, like most flashy FAKE offroaders will never venture outside of Chelsea or Alderley Edge? Go figure!
It's like owning one of those expensive diving style watches rated to 300m depth to impress your mates but you don't even like to get wet whilst you're at the beach. It's a FAKE diving watch. If you turned up at a dive school with the latest (insert generic expensive watch brand here) then you'd be laughed out of town. Most divers wear a cheap Suunto dive computer on their wrist and I've never yet seen anyone wear an expensive watch whilst diving. Most divers never go below 50m anyway as below there you're into the realms of highly dangerous tech diving.
Paying all that money to impress others and then actually realising that the real people who actually do the stuff that you like to talk about are not impressed. Realising that what you have purchased is style over substance, a t*rd that's been packaged and marketed well. Realising that you've been completely taken in by that marketing. Would make you look a bit of a tit don't you think?
But it’s not saying it’s an off-roader is it. "A press of a button unleashes Cullinan’s full off-road capability. All-wheel drive actively engages, providing uninterrupted torque to all four wheels for precise, reliable performance on dry, wet, snowy or icy surfaces. Suspension raises 40mm. Brake and acceleration responses adapt for greater control and comfort. Once engaged, the off-road setting can be finessed for optimum performance on any terrain, gradient or surface quality."
The images with this statement also show it on top of a sand dune, and mid way through a stream crossing. It's the similar sort of terrain Top Gear successfully crossed in a rusting little 2wd Lancia Beta.
Yet most of these, like most flashy FAKE offroaders will never venture outside of Chelsea or Alderley Edge? Go figure!
It's like owning one of those expensive diving style watches rated to 300m depth to impress your mates but you don't even like to get wet whilst you're at the beach. It's a FAKE diving watch. If you turned up at a dive school with the latest (insert generic expensive watch brand here) then you'd be laughed out of town. Most divers wear a cheap Suunto dive computer on their wrist and I've never yet seen anyone wear an expensive watch whilst diving. Most divers never go below 50m anyway as below there you're into the realms of highly dangerous tech diving.
Paying all that money to impress others and then actually realising that the real people who actually do the stuff that you like to talk about are not impressed. Realising that what you have purchased is style over substance, a t*rd that's been packaged and marketed well. Realising that you've been completely taken in by that marketing. Would make you look a bit of a tit don't you think?
. It’s an SUV which can go off-road. It is a road car. It is obvious to everyone that it is a road car. It is for driving on the road. Everyone knows and understands the clear distinction. Even you. You know all too well that it is a road car not an off-roader. You know that it is not claiming to be an off-roader. And we all see what you really have an issue with. And we are all chuckling because you seem wonderfully oblivious that you fit neatly into the description of what you dislike but just at a lower level in the pecking order.
yonex said:
Ladies and gentlemen, the Rolls Royce Vanden Plas.
Oh dear, that's soooo yesterday:https://www.imcdb.org/v307164.html
MC Bodge said:
As somebody pointed out, how "smooth" does something need to be?
Walking isn't smooth, living isn't smooth.
A Mondeo is more than smooth enough....
Lots of things are good enough in our modern world but that isn’t where humans settle by nature. We are driven more by the best that we can afford, whether that is houses, cars, holidays etc. When it comes to cars it is clear that RR believe there is demand at an even higher level than the Range Rover or Bentayga. They are probably right. Walking isn't smooth, living isn't smooth.
A Mondeo is more than smooth enough....
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