RE: Jaguar F-Type MY19: Driven
Discussion
NJC0607 said:
supercharged, almost 400hp and yet 0-60 in 5secs and tops out at 170....? I would have expected better than that.
At £80k specced up, and that's not for the "fast one" or the top of the range....
A Porsche Cayman S, is 25k cheaper and pisses all over the jag in every way.
lighter, faster, better handling, lap times, luxury, etc etc.etc...
its a VERY brave (or stupid) person, who would even consider buying one.
Seems spot on for Rear wheel drive car with 240 bhp per ton and no DCG. Personally I'd much prefer a V6 F Type than a Cayman S. Looks better , sounds better, interior is so much more appealing, much more sense of occasion. If you wanted to use for track days too Cayman S is a far better car but a few 10ths to 60 makes no difference in the real world of Britains over crowded over camered roads, top speed is arbitrary - where are you going to ever drive it at over 170mph. And a 'specced' up Cayman would be pretty more like £70-£75k . I wouldn't buy a new one , but as a 2nd hand 3 year old buy think they would be a cracking buy. At £80k specced up, and that's not for the "fast one" or the top of the range....
A Porsche Cayman S, is 25k cheaper and pisses all over the jag in every way.
lighter, faster, better handling, lap times, luxury, etc etc.etc...
its a VERY brave (or stupid) person, who would even consider buying one.
Charlie_1 said:
asimmalik said:
£68k for a four pot just seems utterly bonkers to me.
Why ?craigjm said:
Because of a really antiquated view that the more expensive the car the bigger the engine should be and the more cylinders it should have. The view needs to shift to how much power it creates, how it delivers it and what that means the car is like on the road. Electrification and PHEV means there is even less likelihood now that the big price big engine thing will ever happen again
Thats a remarkably sensensible statement , i currently have a 718 GTS boxster its final invoice price was way past the quoted figure , a collegue has a v6 F-type granted it makes a nice noise , better than my car hmm don't think so
craigjm said:
Because of a really antiquated view that the more expensive the car the bigger the engine should be and the more cylinders it should have. The view needs to shift to how much power it creates, how it delivers it and what that means the car is like on the road. Electrification and PHEV means there is even less likelihood now that the big price big engine thing will ever happen again
Very true.Meanwhile, to me this just seems like a reversion to the late '80s and early '90s when there were quite a few REALLY EXPENSIVE four cylinder performance cars around:
- A Merc 190e 2.5 16v listed at £30K basic in 1989 when the average UK house price was £62K and average wages were £13K per annum. And that didn't even have a turbocharger.
- A Porsche 944 Turbo cabriolet listed at £47K in 1991.
- An Esprit Turbo S4S was £53K in 1995.
As a fully paid-up member of UK Plc it doesn't come easy to hold the F-Type up and poke fun at it. But, as 'Disgruntled of Tonbridge Wells' I'm compelled to say that the F-Type has become the classic Jag: ie. never the finished article, starved of development funds and released to the cretins in Marketing who think that a new £3.5-6.0 K paint palette is going to fool us.
Setting aside Ian Callum's best work (the E-Pace less so...), we have an amalgam of 'bought-in bits' and, at the lower end of the range, an underwhelming Ingenium 4-pot which achieves the noble target of being 'less than the sum of its parts': over-weight, over-priced, under-efficient... with world-leading depreciation. I really hate to say it but compared to the Porsche 991.2 (...with 992 looming...) the F-Type is a risible disgrace and I, for one, feel embarrassed (as an Englishman) to admit it.
Setting aside Ian Callum's best work (the E-Pace less so...), we have an amalgam of 'bought-in bits' and, at the lower end of the range, an underwhelming Ingenium 4-pot which achieves the noble target of being 'less than the sum of its parts': over-weight, over-priced, under-efficient... with world-leading depreciation. I really hate to say it but compared to the Porsche 991.2 (...with 992 looming...) the F-Type is a risible disgrace and I, for one, feel embarrassed (as an Englishman) to admit it.
BertoniBertone said:
As a fully paid-up member of UK Plc it doesn't come easy to hold the F-Type up and poke fun at it. But, as 'Disgruntled of Tonbridge Wells' I'm compelled to say that the F-Type has become the classic Jag: ie. never the finished article, starved of development funds and released to the cretins in Marketing who think that a new £3.5-6.0 K paint palette is going to fool us.
Setting aside Ian Callum's best work (the E-Pace less so...), we have an amalgam of 'bought-in bits' and, at the lower end of the range, an underwhelming Ingenium 4-pot which achieves the noble target of being 'less than the sum of its parts': over-weight, over-priced, under-efficient... with world-leading depreciation. I really hate to say it but compared to the Porsche 991.2 (...with 992 looming...) the F-Type is a risible disgrace and I, for one, feel embarrassed (as an Englishman) to admit it.
I would still have the Jag over the Porsche...... Would have to be the V8 however ...Setting aside Ian Callum's best work (the E-Pace less so...), we have an amalgam of 'bought-in bits' and, at the lower end of the range, an underwhelming Ingenium 4-pot which achieves the noble target of being 'less than the sum of its parts': over-weight, over-priced, under-efficient... with world-leading depreciation. I really hate to say it but compared to the Porsche 991.2 (...with 992 looming...) the F-Type is a risible disgrace and I, for one, feel embarrassed (as an Englishman) to admit it.
I'm into my Jag's, I like the look of the F-Type but have to say I don't love it. I find myself thinking that I might actually prefer the shape of the Cayman 718 and 991. Still, one day when they are sub £5k I'd consider buying one.
This colour is interesting, not sure it would be at the top of my list but at least it stands out from the ubiquitous white/silver/grey/black shades. I do like that light blue shade they come in...
I know it's the way it's all going these days but I'm not keen on the idea of such an expensive and ostentatious car running a 4 pot, I'm quite surprised how much cheaper it is than the V6 though.
This colour is interesting, not sure it would be at the top of my list but at least it stands out from the ubiquitous white/silver/grey/black shades. I do like that light blue shade they come in...
I know it's the way it's all going these days but I'm not keen on the idea of such an expensive and ostentatious car running a 4 pot, I'm quite surprised how much cheaper it is than the V6 though.
BertoniBertone said:
I really hate to say it but compared to the Porsche 991.2 (...with 992 looming...) the F-Type is a risible disgrace and I, for one, feel embarrassed (as an Englishman) to admit it.
The cheapest 911 is £87,000 before options. Hardly a fair comparison to a car range that starts at just over £50,000, and the bulk sold are in the 50k to 70k bracket.BenjiS said:
BertoniBertone said:
I really hate to say it but compared to the Porsche 991.2 (...with 992 looming...) the F-Type is a risible disgrace and I, for one, feel embarrassed (as an Englishman) to admit it.
The cheapest 911 is £87,000 before options. Hardly a fair comparison to a car range that starts at just over £50,000, and the bulk sold are in the 50k to 70k bracket.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff